shindigger

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    shindigger reacted to One percent in Brexit Betrayal thread   
    Not me. 
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    shindigger reacted to One percent in Brexit Betrayal thread   
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    shindigger reacted to One percent in Brexit Betrayal thread   
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    shindigger reacted to spunko in New Car Registrations   
    What I don't understand with this branding/reliability thing, people always say "Japanese cars are reliable" but nowadays they are Japanese in name only. Maybe they were designed there, but most Jap cars are built in Brazil/Finland/Far East - but outside of Japan. More BMWs sold in the UK are IIRC built in the USA than in Germany. Yet American branded cars , most of which are built in America, are shyte.
    I never really understood why it's thus. You wouldn't buy a Brazilian car because it'd be a shitter, but for some reason a Japanese car built in Brazil is really reliable.
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    shindigger reacted to spunko in Bye bye Treason May?   
    I've merged them into this thread
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    shindigger reacted to eight in Bye bye Treason May?   
    Quite, you're describing the EU project.
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    shindigger got a reaction from the gardener in Bye bye Treason May?   
    Is she the biggest human shield in history?
    I saw lots of remainers getting twitchy in the house there.
    Tick.
    Tock.
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    shindigger reacted to Anglepoise in Bye bye Treason May?   
    Avi Yemeni from yesterdays march
     
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    shindigger got a reaction from the gardener in Bye bye Treason May?   
    Is she the biggest human shield in history?
    I saw lots of remainers getting twitchy in the house there.
    Tick.
    Tock.
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    shindigger reacted to DTMark in Southwark Street, London   
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    shindigger reacted to Democorruptcy in £375 pcm per car EXTRA   
    I've always said they will finish up taxing the air we breathe. This is just another step along the way.
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    shindigger reacted to Bedrag Justesen in Bye bye Treason May?   
    At both ends of my train journey EU activists are outside stations huddled under their star circle Nazi symbol banners handing out Peoples Vote leaflets.
    A little grey haired lady offered me a leaflet, not wishing to be rude, I said no thanks we've had one. She said "...a leaflet?", she looked puzzled as I had barely walked off the platform.
    Against my usual tactic of not engaging I couldn't help myself and replied.
    No, a Peoples Vote ... we've already had one in 2016, we voted LEAVE.
    She said wouldn't you like another one ? I replied that was another one, we had one in 1975.
    We voted to join a Common Market not to be ruled by an unelected Federal State with an EU army to stamp their authority, like in France, and Spain.
    What about trade she asked.
    We should be able to trade all over the world, negotiating our own deals. We used have an Empire. Do you know our WTO trade outside the EU has risen faster over the last decade more than our trade within EU.
    She changed to immigration.
    Unless we remain in EU over 2 million EU migrants will have to go home. 
    I said I'm happy for them to stay provided they work. Isn't it the case we said they can stay but will need to pay for a visa ?
    She asked what will happen to British people currently in EU, the EU hasn't agreed they can stay.
    I countered with there being fewer Brits living in EU now compared to twenty years ago. People have been living in Europe long before the EU and will do after EU collapses which it will. There are more Brits in Australia than EU.
    So. Anyway. We are here today asking for a Peoples Vote.
    No, we don't need one.
    So. You are happy to crash out of the EU or go along with May's deal ?
    No. We are not 'crashing out', we should leave the EU without paying them billions, negotiate our own trade terms, or WTO terms until then.
    What about the NI border ?
    What about it ? The Irish won't build a wall, we won't build a wall, if the EU are so concerned about it - let them build a wall.
    She was unrattled, perfectly polite, but irritated. She apologised for keeping me, and edged away.
    I said, it's OK it's me keeping you really. Can I ask you a question ?
    Let's say you Peoples Vote types get your way and we have another vote and REMAIN wins. We will have to apply to rejoin the EU, they will insist on worse terms, and closer ties, such as adopting the Euro. How do you feel about that ?
    It need not be the case, the EU will let us stay on the best deal if we cancel Article 50. We can end BREXIT to REMAIN.
    Oh you have it all worked out. We both laughed.
    I said can I ask you one more thing before I'm off ? Do you work in our public sector ?
    She looked surprised and replied yes, what makes you think that ?
    I told her it's because EVERYBODY that I know that wants to REMAIN works in the public sector.
    Will you read my leaflet ?
    I promised I would.
    Whole conversation took less than ten minutes. I'm not saying I had my facts straight but if we all could spare the time to do something similar it certainly confuses them.
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    shindigger reacted to Reck B in Bye bye Treason May?   
    In that case, MP's could demand a vote to vote if the meaninguful vote can be voted.
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    shindigger got a reaction from Byron in Brexit Betrayal thread   
    Nigel Farage walked away from UKIP when it had (to his credit) 4 million votes and no real MPs. Cant include Reckless and Carswell as they were both opportunists.
    Another 2 million votes, next time out, may have brought UKIP 10-15 seats.
    So its really Farage that carries that can. How can a vote for leave then translate in to such a rout for UKIP last time out. He needed to keep the pedal to the metal. 
    As i see it, like it or not, any disgruntled leaver has nowhere to go but UKIP.
    Especially If Treason calls a snap election now, it will be them alone who will accommodate that vote.
    NIgels new crew will be too late.
    Again.
     
    Hard to ascribe empathy to ANYONE in modern politics.
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    shindigger got a reaction from OurDayWillCome in Brexit Betrayal thread   
    Spot on.
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    shindigger reacted to Bricks & Mortar in Brexit Betrayal thread   
    I can imagine they might.  Pardon me if this is disjointed, I'm pasting-in from something I wrote elsewhere...

    It's about democracy, and the lessons of the Scottish referendum, and subsequent elections in Scotland. We've had the chance to vote meaningfully, twice in a short number of years, while in England, only a single time. It divides an electorate into 2 camps, each deeply entrenched. The Leave side are quiet right now. Just waiting for free movement to end, and sovereignty returning to Westminster.

    In Scotland, the first election after our referendum, the nats said they respected the result, and a vote for them wasn't a vote for independence. They almost cleared the board. 56 out of 59 seats. In the 2nd election, (Scottish Parliament), they made a manifesto commitment to another referendum, in the event of a Leave vote. They failed to win a majority, forming a coalition with the Greens. By the third election, we'd already had the brexit vote and the 2nd referendum had been asked for. They lost 21 seats, and 1/3 of their vote share. I view the mechanism for the swings as a willingness among No voters to change parties to achieve their goal on the independence question. Anti-independence voters left their usual parties to vote for whoever they thought most likely to win apart from SNP. It became less about parties, and more a re-run of the referendum.

    But, in Scotland, you had one independence party, with the 3 main Westminster parties stacked against. In England, you have the 3 Westminster parties officially pro-EU, with only UKIP officially against. If we deny brexit at this stage, Leave voters have nowhere to go except UKIP.  If you create a situation where UKIP takes 1/3 vote share from each of the main parties, they'd likely find themselves in government.
     
    (this was written recently, but before I became aware of a possible Farage party)
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    shindigger got a reaction from Byron in Brexit Betrayal thread   
    Nigel Farage walked away from UKIP when it had (to his credit) 4 million votes and no real MPs. Cant include Reckless and Carswell as they were both opportunists.
    Another 2 million votes, next time out, may have brought UKIP 10-15 seats.
    So its really Farage that carries that can. How can a vote for leave then translate in to such a rout for UKIP last time out. He needed to keep the pedal to the metal. 
    As i see it, like it or not, any disgruntled leaver has nowhere to go but UKIP.
    Especially If Treason calls a snap election now, it will be them alone who will accommodate that vote.
    NIgels new crew will be too late.
    Again.
     
    Hard to ascribe empathy to ANYONE in modern politics.
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    shindigger got a reaction from Byron in Brexit Betrayal thread   
    Nigel Farage walked away from UKIP when it had (to his credit) 4 million votes and no real MPs. Cant include Reckless and Carswell as they were both opportunists.
    Another 2 million votes, next time out, may have brought UKIP 10-15 seats.
    So its really Farage that carries that can. How can a vote for leave then translate in to such a rout for UKIP last time out. He needed to keep the pedal to the metal. 
    As i see it, like it or not, any disgruntled leaver has nowhere to go but UKIP.
    Especially If Treason calls a snap election now, it will be them alone who will accommodate that vote.
    NIgels new crew will be too late.
    Again.
     
    Hard to ascribe empathy to ANYONE in modern politics.
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    shindigger reacted to sleepwello'nights in Brexit Betrayal thread   
    I take your point, but my point is that TR is not the person that the media portray him to be. 
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    shindigger reacted to twocents in Brexit Betrayal thread   
    So far as I'm concerned the more votes UKIP (withTR) and Leave Means Leave can jointly take from the LibLabCon the better.  They are both for Britain leaving the eu.  They are both under the Leave flag but appeal to difference groups of people. 
    The two groups aren't necessarily enemies in the matter of leaving the eu .
    As neither are likely to get many if any MPs in Parliament in the immediate future (they might of course still get MEPs depending on what happens in the next few months) their main job is to jointly threaten to take votes from the mainstream political parties and to jointly get the mainstream parties to modify and modernise their policies accordingly and in accordance with the growing Leave vote.
    Incidentally it includes parties like the For Britain party with Anne Marie Waters should also be included in the Leave numbers.
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    shindigger got a reaction from mattydread in Brexit Betrayal thread   
    Leaving aside the fact that i think Farages new party is being formed very much after the lord mayors show.
    I am comfortable having joined UKIP, that they keep the message about radical islam out there. Nobody else is going to. TR has said today adn prior that Brexit was not his area, and has not sought to be a jonny come lately in that regard.
    If the chance presents itself in a parliamentary setting, to vote for Nigels new party in consort with Wigmore and Banks then, ok ill vote for that too.
    If someone can set out, how they are going to, retrospectively, make the slightest difference to the coming stitch up, i'm all ears.
    UKIP lost their way, when Nigels leaving, meant that 4 million  plus votes were not built on, to have a real influence at the last election.
    Imagine another DUP and all their influence.
    I can see how the two can rub together, no problem.
    Unfortunately, for everyone, more and more people will have good reason to identify with TRs UKIP as this car crash plays out.
    Islam isn't going away.
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    shindigger got a reaction from One percent in Brexit Betrayal thread   
    See where the candidates crop up. There can still be some coordination behind the scenes. 
    I doubt either party can offer an option in all 650 seats.
    EU elections soon too
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    shindigger reacted to billfunk in Brexit Betrayal thread   
    I largely agree with you regarding in the pointlessness of today's protest yet disagree with you about the issues facing us. Whether we like it or not Islamo-fascism will be a problem for us in the future, if not today. Likewise, the neoliberal EU project to destroy nation states is a problem for us. As is weaponised mass immigration and the bent money system and the bent land system. All these issues are not going away just because Tommy Robinson ruins the narrative of a peaceful protest.
    These issues will be around until they blow up in everyone's face. And all of them are just sat there waiting for a political party, any political party, to grasp hold of them. 
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    shindigger reacted to null; in Brexit Betrayal thread   
    Might not agree, but certainly no down votes from me. To downvote for offering a differing point of view goes against what this site is about (in my personal opinion).
    It's important to have views challenged and alternatives offered. Perhaps you are in a different world to others but that's not a negative.
    I'm a bit undecided, I can understand both sides of the arguement have merit.
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    shindigger reacted to XswampyX in Bye bye Treason May?   
    They "randomly" picked 4 people to give their views on Brexit and show how un-biased the audience was... and three of them were foreign.