MrXxx

Compare and contrast...whilst I can appreciate the formers frustration at the case being hushed-up, I do feel that it reflects our current society where although someone is earning £24k the expectation is that it's their right that somebody else should pay...as for the latter, the law should be such that if you go to another country that is deemed `persona non grata` you forfeit your right to citizenship.

Agree with your logic...only thing I would avoid is the VCT due to risk, but I suppose as it's spread across many new companies it is lessened?

Another issue (problem?) is that (some of) the same public read the `red tops` (with their chip shop journalism) and then believe they are well informed about current issues!

Oh no, here we go again!...don't tell me, you are on the Local Health Authority patient liaison committee aren't you?! :-) :-) :-)

Well let's think about this for a moment...national literacy rates?... exam results/grades?...suitability of school leavers to enter the world of work?...all crude metrics I agree, but then so are SATs...why?...as they are all subject to non-accountable (and difficult to quantify) biases mentioned in my posts above. Why should being a teacher matter if the point being discussed is supported by a robust and objective argument?...but no, I am not a teacher and believe that they should be accountable for THEIR performance (note capitals!), what I don't agree with thought is that they should be blamed for factors outside of their control I.e lack of resources, unnecessary and time wasting government initiatives, lazy/poor parenting. I too agree as a parent and taxpayer you have a right to voice you opinion, but for it to be respected and hold validity it has to be informed and from a position of objectivity. Finally lets go back to the engineer scenario...so which one of the roles you specify above is the teacher then?...because at the moment you (and others) are expecting a teacher to be accountable for all of them.

Ah I see, stick accountant on the lists of roles teachers are expected to be responsible for why not..we already have educator, social worker, babysitter, fundraiser/admin assistant.....oh no, we have that last one covered don`t `we`?, that is when they are not advising on educational policy!

So you were a fund raiser/admin assistant...nothing wrong with these roles, but they hardly qualify you to the right of an informed opinion on what makes a good educator do they?

Unfortunately I feel that GBs constant attacks on Farage are going to put a lot of people off voting for UKIP. As a result it may mean the winners in some areas will be LibLabConGreen rather than either UKIP or BREXIT parties.

So how was good teaching measured before the advent of SATs then, or were we all illiterate? As for being an engineer, if you specify the correct materials, the manufacturer uses inferior ones, and the bridge collapses is it your fault?...are people correct to state that you are useless at your profession?

The main focus of the article wasn't on the Private Education sector, it was the Public/State sector...to do a comparison is flawed at best. So, as a governor what did you do to improve the situation?...from your postings so far it appears you are `strong` on negative criticism, but not so `hot` on the positives...is it any wonder that `you` could only get useless teachers when you (and politicians) `promoted` the profession in such a `positive` light?...anyone that was decent would `run a mile`!... ...it makes me laugh, the majority of people wouldn't dream of telling their surgeon/doctor how to do his job, but as they have been to school (regardles of how successful that was) they think they are all experts in education!

And herein lies the problem, a child's education is the responsibility of both the teachers and the parents...if you child fails educationally, you are partly responsible...Your responsibility/role doesn't finish at the act of procreation...

I don't know what field you are in, but I assume that as a project manager you have control over the quality, quantity and processes involved in product you produce?...if this is the case, then you being accountable for the final result is a fair `call`. Now apply all of these prerequisites to a teacher...do they have an ability to ensure the quality of the `raw materials` that they are working with I.e the nurturing prior to commencing their role?...do they have management of a quiet study area/learning resources for their potential `product` at home?...do they have control of what time their potential `product` goes to bed and/or the social atmosphere it experiences at home? If the answer to all of the above was `Yes` then I agree with you, they should be fully accountable for their results...unfortunately its not thought is it?!

Your first paragraph `nails it`, just add continual government interference by ministers who are `experts` in transportation one week and then education the next, and you can see why so many want to leave.

No, all we need is Mafs and Englis teechers!...I trust your post was a ,`wind--up`?, that or you have demonstrated beautifully why we do need the other subjects :-)....and as for the teachers, they are `their own worst enemy`...until they become far more militant (rather than conscientious) whatever government is in office will continue to treat them like fools.

Perhaps a similar approach is needed with the EC then?