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spygirl

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Massive vanity project from the Cameron/Osborne political showboating era.

There is an argument for more capacity from London to Birmingham to relieve congestion but it does not have to be HS2  which is an over engineered solution that will cost far more than a conventional line upgrades

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A line to improve transport links for UK customers? Dream on.

http://www.theeuroprobe.org/2015-088-hs2-controlled-by-eu-not-our-gov/

 

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A Trans-European Transport Network (TEN-T)

A Trans-European Rail Network (TEN-R) is only part of a larger project because an entire Trans-European Transport Network (TEN-T) is also planned. Its aim is to establish a series of interconnected European transport networks and these were laid down under Decision No. 1692/96/EC on 23 July 1996 with amendments to the scheme being made later. Along with energy and telecommunications, it is intended to cover a Trans-European Road Network, Inland Waterway and Seaport Network, Trans-European Airports Network and – added by Decision No. 884/2004/EC in September 2001 – a ‘Motorways of the Sea’. The whole project was originally outlined in the Treaty of Rome, signed in 1958 which established the European Economic Community that led to the current European Union.

Passenger Rail Lines and Airports:

Motorways of the Sea:

On 1 January, 2014, the Innovation and Networks Executive Agency (INEA) was put in charge of all the transport projects – air, rail, road and waterways and maritime, etc… – and all EU Member States are now involved in this Agency.

. the Trans-European Transport Network was designed for a traveller to move swiftly and smoothly from one end of the European Union to the other whether they are using road, rail, air, waterway or sea transport. From the UK’s point of view, it is intended that HS2 will significantly reduce travel times between the UK’s major cities and provide international rail connections. Why should there be any objections?

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Surprised by this.

These big projects are all about funnelling off billions into the pockets of the friends of the politicos. This was started by Cameron and looks like being ended by Boris, both members of the Bullingdon Club. So they don't have the same friends?

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2 minutes ago, swiss_democracy_for_all said:

Surprised by this.

These big projects are all about funnelling off billions into the pockets of the friends of the politicos. This was started by Cameron and looks like being ended by Boris, both members of the Bullingdon Club. So they don't have the same friends?

There's certainly an amount of troughing. Nothing new then?

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9 minutes ago, swiss_democracy_for_all said:

Surprised by this.

These big projects are all about funnelling off billions into the pockets of the friends of the politicos. This was started by Cameron and looks like being ended by Boris, both members of the Bullingdon Club. So they don't have the same friends?

They've moved out of that one and are now in the next 'opportunity'.

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7 minutes ago, swiss_democracy_for_all said:

Surprised by this.

These big projects are all about funnelling off billions into the pockets of the friends of the politicos. This was started by Cameron and looks like being ended by Boris, both members of the Bullingdon Club. So they don't have the same friends?

Link above mentions HS2 Ltd being set up earlier than that - 

On taking office, the present coalition Government announced that they had been examining the case for high speed rail in Britain since 2009, when the then Labour government established HS2 Ltd.,

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This year it's the received wisdom that the predicted cost of HS2 is about 56 billion, but that there may be a cost over-run on this starting prediction.

But i remember when the quoted predicted cost was 32 billion. What happened to that prediction?

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1 minute ago, onlyme said:

Link above mentions HS2 Ltd being set up earlier than that - 

On taking office, the present coalition Government announced that they had been examining the case for high speed rail in Britain since 2009, when the then Labour government established HS2 Ltd.,

Yeah Brown, Blair and Cameron secretly having the same friends would make sense, given that Cameron's government made no effort to undo all of Brown's shit.

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1 hour ago, spygirl said:

Whats your transport strategy?

 

Has fuck all to do with transport ....... it's all about growf, innit......where money's created from fuck all ..... and given to a chosen few, that trickles down, eventually, to a chosen few more....

 

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8 minutes ago, Poseidon said:

I think Boris wants his airport on his Island. 

I always thought that wasn't such a terrible idea in principle, flightpaths over the sea and the river are better for most people - except for the minor problem of there being no convenient island and no existing transport from said invisible island!

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In 20 years will we still be moving around by train? The current network is not fit for purpose, delays and cancellations are daily and for many reasons. More people working from home, less jobs where a physical presence is necessary. If we have to spend a fortune why not try a maglev train even if it's a short link to start with. 

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2 hours ago, spygirl said:

Whats your transport strategy?

 

Three-day journey by pickup from central Niger through the Sahara to Libya, then speedboat to Italy, followed by tomato wagon to Portsmouth.

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32 minutes ago, swiss_democracy_for_all said:

I always thought that wasn't such a terrible idea in principle, flightpaths over the sea and the river are better for most people - except for the minor problem of there being no convenient island and no existing transport from said invisible island!

A bit like Hong Kong's new airport then.

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52 minutes ago, Sgt Hartman said:

I think it's a great idea. Heathrow hasn't been fit for purpose for years and it's probably one of the worst airports that I've experienced in a first-world country. The last time I was in terminal three it looked like a scene out of Indiana Jones.

Edit - Could always do what HK did and build your own island to plonk the airport upon.

Regarding rail travel, I think the route from North to South as it currently stands is fine. Takes two hours on the train to get from Preston to London and it's a good service.

The problem is the near hundred quid price tag to use it.

Would you think it was a great idea if it was 5 miles off the coast of where you live though? Probably not. :CryBaby:

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13 minutes ago, spunko said:

Would you think it was a great idea if it was 5 miles off the coast of where you live though? Probably not. :CryBaby:

Fuck the extra runway.

Move heathrow to Corby .

Plenty of space, noone will object.

Build a fast train service into London and itll be quicker than the heathrow tube.

Win win win win

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