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sarahbell

clothes. terrible things

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56 minutes ago, sarahbell said:

BBC Click Had some stuff about clothing. recycling cotton into viscose to be reused as thread for new clothing. The process seems very complicated. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/06/190619142559.htm 
They also had a bit about 'eco dyes' which use a bacteria to create dye.

Cotton takes billions of gallons of water to grow and produce clothing from.

It was really interesting but misses the bloody point. 

If clothing is so demanding on the planet - then we should stop making new clothes until we have completely worn the old ones out.  We should ban the fashion industry entirely. 

Reduce, reuse, repair, recycle!
 


 

Water is an renewable resource though, so the correct term would be reused water, and that's great. There's enough water on earth, the problem is it's not managed correctly.

Polyester clothing is way worse for the environment, and frankly i don't understand why Greta etc aren't making a bigger fuss over what is essentially more or less plastic. 

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32 minutes ago, sarahbell said:

BBC Click Had some stuff about clothing. recycling cotton into viscose to be reused as thread for new clothing. The process seems very complicated. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/06/190619142559.htm 
They also had a bit about 'eco dyes' which use a bacteria to create dye.

Cotton takes billions of gallons of water to grow and produce clothing from.

It was really interesting but misses the bloody point. 

If clothing is so demanding on the planet - then we should stop making new clothes until we have completely worn the old ones out.  We should ban the fashion industry entirely. 

Reduce, reuse, repair, recycle!
 


 

Can't agree with you more!!

All very well for Stella McCartney (et al) to push their vegan/sustainable credentials but most of us buy too many clothes just to be fashionable? Not out of any kind of real need?

Eg shoes. Most women will have some (or a lot of) high heel shoes - but there's just no need for them? Ever?

Sturdy boots for working/walking, wellies for flooding, sports shoes for sports, sandals for hot days/beach & slippers for indoors. Doesn't that cover every possibility? (Ok, dancing shoes for ballet,/tap where necessary I guess?) 

Disclaimer: I have a lot of shoes myself where the non functional/fashion related/unnecessary kind spend 99.9% of their time in the wardrobe gathering dust, as I don't have to go to work/look smart/attractive & don't need a varied 'look'.  So the 'pretty' (but pointless) shoes are being phased out since we retired (very gradually) in favour of the above permitted categories only. 

Fuck- I think this means I am officially "old" and past it now, doesn't it?! (But at least I am not wearing the elasticated trousers ... yet. ) 

Anyhow, fashion is very wasteful in general? Always changing?

So what about we all just have a practical uniform?! Same thing in all sizes?!

Oh yes, I think Chairman Mao already tried that?! 😬

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I wish they wouldn't moan about water as an absolute.

There are places where water is a scarce resource, and others where it is plentiful.  The context is everything.

[It is the same with meat -- I'm sure we're bombarded with CO2 impact of meat done on intensively farmed meat (which does have a poor footprint), and that Welsh lamb, for example, would have a trivially small footprint in comparison, but it just gets lumped in as 'meat']

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3 minutes ago, spunko said:

Water is an renewable resource though, so the correct term would be reused water, and that's great. There's enough water on earth, the problem is it's not managed correctly.

There's definitely been a move in the media in recent times to paint water as somehow finite, with an implication that it can be "used up".

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1 minute ago, eight said:

 

There's definitely been a move in the media in recent times to paint water as somehow finite, with an implication that it can be "used up".

Probably because London in this country or California in the US is where most of the MSM are based and they both have significant water issues. If the So-Called BBC were all fully in Salford it wouldn't cross their minds its to rainy up there :D

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9 minutes ago, whocares said:

Can't agree with you more!!

All very well for Stella McCartney (et al) to push their vegan/sustainable credentials but most of us buy too many clothes just to be fashionable? Not out of any kind of real need?

Eg shoes. Most women will have some (or a lot of) high heel shoes - but there's just no need for them? Ever?

Sturdy boots for working/walking, wellies for flooding, sports shoes for sports, sandals for hot days/beach & slippers for indoors. Doesn't that cover every possibility? (Ok, dancing shoes for ballet,/tap where necessary I guess?) 

Disclaimer: I have a lot of shoes myself where the non functional/fashion related/unnecessary kind spend 99.9% of their time in the wardrobe gathering dust, as I don't have to go to work/look smart/attractive & don't need a varied 'look'.  So the 'pretty' (but pointless) shoes are being phased out since we retired (very gradually) in favour of the above permitted categories only. 

Fuck- I think this means I am officially "old" and past it now, doesn't it?! (But at least I am not wearing the elasticated trousers ... yet. ) 

Anyhow, fashion is very wasteful in general? Always changing?

So what about we all just have a practical uniform?! Same thing in all sizes?!

Oh yes, I think Chairman Mao already tried that?! 😬

One of those moral dilemmas for Socialists and eco warriors, just like they love their travel, lefties like their clothes. 

 

.https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/good-socialists-wear-expensive-clothes

Edited by crashmonitor

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6 minutes ago, dgul said:

I wish they wouldn't moan about water as an absolute.

There are places where water is a scarce resource, and others where it is plentiful.  The context is everything.

[It is the same with meat -- I'm sure we're bombarded with CO2 impact of meat done on intensively farmed meat (which does have a poor footprint), and that Welsh lamb, for example, would have a trivially small footprint in comparison, but it just gets lumped in as 'meat']

How much intensively reared / factory farmed meat do you think we in the uk eat as a percentage, out of interest? 

 

Don't Google it...:Old:

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18 minutes ago, spunko said:

Water is an renewable resource though, so the correct term would be reused water, and that's great. There's enough water on earth, the problem is it's not managed correctly.

Polyester clothing is way worse for the environment, and frankly i don't understand why Greta etc aren't making a bigger fuss over what is essentially more or less plastic. 

What do you mean by more or less plastic? Polyester IS plastic :ph34r:

This whole issue of plastic isn't really that complex but the scientific ignorance of an issue that is in itself really straight forward compared to something like climate change is astonishing.

Plastics in the vast majority of cases are a solution, not a problem and not only that they've made pretty much the entire world rich.

Edited by Roger_Mellie

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22 minutes ago, spunko said:

How much intensively reared / factory farmed meat do you think we in the uk eat as a percentage, out of interest? 

 

Don't Google it...:Old:

I can imagine it is a large %age.

Trouble with meat is that it is two worlds -- meat and fast-food/processed-food.  The 'meat' part is probably all fairly good, albeit chicken has a dreadful record.  Processed food is an unknown to me -- could be anything.

Also, in the UK we export quite a bit of 'good meat' -- lots of our lamb and mutton goes to Europe and the Middle East.  We then import loads of crappy meats from abroad.

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3 hours ago, AlfredTheLittle said:

95 percent?

I can't be bothered to find it, but I seem to remember the EU's figures for the UK had it at about 85%. Could be wrong, in the USA IIRC it's way higher though - almost 100%.

4 hours ago, Roger_Mellie said:

What do you mean by more or less plastic? Polyester IS plastic :ph34r:

This whole issue of plastic isn't really that complex but the scientific ignorance of an issue that is in itself really straight forward compared to something like climate change is astonishing.

Plastics in the vast majority of cases are a solution, not a problem and not only that they've made pretty much the entire world rich.

IIRC polyester is mixed with other stuff besides PET/plastic. Could again be mistaken though.

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8 hours ago, spunko said:

How much intensively reared / factory farmed meat do you think we in the uk eat as a percentage, out of interest? 

 

Don't Google it...:Old:

I don’t cook so the only meat I get is gifted to me aready cooked I think I’ve bought two cooked chickens this year and I did myself bacon xmas day but I do buy 2-3 tins of stewing stake a month from

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9 hours ago, spunko said:

I can't be bothered to find it, but I seem to remember the EU's figures for the UK had it at about 85%. Could be wrong, in the USA IIRC it's way higher though - almost 100%.

IIRC polyester is mixed with other stuff besides PET/plastic. Could again be mistaken though.

Well, yes. It's got various additives in it and your clothes aren't 100% virgin PET, but that's true of all things made of plastic.

Polyester IS PET, or some derivative of it made by varying the glycol fraction of it.

I've mentioned before - PET is a good bellweather for the global economy and it's been a shitshow this year. Recession is coming.

Edited by Roger_Mellie

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22 hours ago, whocares said:

Can't agree with you more!!

All very well for Stella McCartney (et al) to push their vegan/sustainable credentials but most of us buy too many clothes just to be fashionable? Not out of any kind of real need?

Eg shoes. Most women will have some (or a lot of) high heel shoes - but there's just no need for them? Ever?

 

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