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Brexit betrayal thread - Part 6

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35 minutes ago, The Grey Man said:

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/we-are-coming-after-you-home-secretary-priti-patel-to-warn-criminals-11824598

Priti Patel says the government is "coming after the thugs, gangs, and criminals who make law-abiding people's lives a misery".

 

So she is going after those who have been governing us for the last 25 years then. As theyre the socialist corrupt c###s who cause the most misery.

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3 minutes ago, Tdog said:

So she is going after those who have been governing us for the last 25 years then. As theyre the socialist corrupt c###s who cause the most misery.

Watch what they do, not what they say.

remember, “tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime”. 

Cant remember which bunch of wankers this particular slogan came from but one of the main parties. 

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25 minutes ago, Chewing Grass said:

Nice one:- 'Hundreds have converged on the capital by tractor, causing total tailbacks in excess of 1,000 km (620 miles) and bringing the city to a standstill.'

'The protests – the equivalent of France’s Gilets Jaunes – have widespread support from the Dutch people'

This is what happens when the majority loose interest in politics and are hijacked by the idle minority peddling their own agenda.

The devil makes work for the hands of the idle faux left.

You will never meet a race of people who love bureaucracy and nanny state as much as the Dutch.

Theyd struggle to cause 1000km worth of tailbacks have you seen the size of the country?

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5 minutes ago, Tdog said:

You will never meet a race of people who love bureaucracy and nanny state as much as the Dutch.

I think that's unfair. The Dutch love having lots of rules, and they really love discussing what the rules should be. However, when it comes to following rules, they generally take a grown-up approach and anly follow the ones that they think are sensible. Surprisingly, the police are pretty OK about that, too. The Germans, on the other hand, have a somewhat different attitude to rules, in my limited experience...

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4 minutes ago, BurntBread said:

I think that's unfair. The Dutch love having lots of rules, and they really love discussing what the rules should be. However, when it comes to following rules, they generally take a grown-up approach and anly follow the ones that they think are sensible. Surprisingly, the police are pretty OK about that, too. The Germans, on the other hand, have a somewhat different attitude to rules, in my limited experience...

Im not a fan of them, they're 2nd Division Germans.

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1 hour ago, The Grey Man said:

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/we-are-coming-after-you-home-secretary-priti-patel-to-warn-criminals-11824598

Priti Patel says the government is "coming after the thugs, gangs, and criminals who make law-abiding people's lives a misery".

 

"We are delivering on the public's priorities while Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott side with the criminals."

She said Boris Johnson's government was "driven by the people's priorities", adding: "From crime, to immigration, to leaving the European Union, we are ready to listen and to do what they want."

She added: "This daughter of immigrants needs no lectures from the north London metropolitan liberal elite."

I really hope so.

i was going to add fingers crossed....but that might mean my motives, heritage and race are questioned. Raised else where on the forum.

 

It sounds a bit too similar to the promises made by Cameron just before the 2010 general election.

New boss same as the old boss.

That applies no matter which part(s) of the LibLabCon might gain power.

Fool me once etc (time and time and time...........again).

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4 minutes ago, One percent said:

😳 xD

what time is it on?  

Diane mentions 11:75am

Just now, XswampyX said:

Thirty five minutes past twelvety seventy five. I think? 

dammit, beaten to it :)

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23 minutes ago, Long time lurking said:

It`s infectious xD

 

 

LOL Beeboids in meltdown on the comments! There's quite a lot of 'how dare an immigrant stop immigration' stuff as well, which sounds a little bit...well...waycist to me. 

In practice I bet there's going to be little or no change to immigration even assuming we get Brexit. EUers will still come over in large numbers with a bit of token bureaucracy instead of total freedom, it will hopefully just be a bit easier to stop the complete wasters, though even that's doubtful because I don't think there's the political will to clamp down on them. 

Eg can anyone seriously imagine, say, a Bulgarian and his family coming over on a work visa, he then loses his job but instead of going back to Bulgaria he decides to stay on. Who is going to send him back? The NHS is not going to stop giving him free treatment - just imagine the headlines if they did! Schools are not going to stop teaching his children - they will set themselves up as 'sanctuary schools' or some such before they'd dob in an illegal immigrant. etc etc. 

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23 minutes ago, Long time lurking said:

It`s infectious xD

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promising to "end the free movement of people once and for all"

She honestly means it you will need police permission to go to Tesco don't be fooled

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3 minutes ago, Funn3r said:

She honestly means it you will need police permission to go to Tesco don't be fooled

LOL she means employers will have to pay for some government rubber stamp to approve the  open-ended work visas for their EU employees, when previously they didn't have to, and anyone who doesn't have a work visa will probably be allowed to stay anyway. As usual the responsibility to enact government legislation will be placed on private sector employers, in the same way they made publicans liable for fines if anyone smoked in their pubs, rather than the smokers themselves. 

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3 hours ago, Libspero said:

I think it was a BBC piece the other day where they were waffling about modern slavery..   apparently it is nothing of the sort.  Modern slavery is people doing work of their own free will because the alternative would be worse.

Like Thai girls working as call girls because they don't want to work on a farm,    or bar men working behind a bar because they can't afford not to have a job.  The whole world has gone crazy  :/

I believe this is an interesting question, and not completely straightforward. I think you are describing the moment of choice, which is not the important bit. What distinguishes slavery is the irreversibility of the choice: a girl may decide that being a prostitute sounds like a better option than working on a farm (and she might initially be right). However, if that then means that her family disowns her and she is cut off from any support network, or any prospect of getting a different job, then it has become slavery - even if her new masters don't take full advantage of her isolation (which they will). On the other hand, if you're an eastern European working in the UK, then you can probably get out if you really need to.

In the days when we had genuine slavery in England - around a thousand years ago, I think - you could sell yourself into slavery to your local lord, and work all your life for him, rather than having some of your time to work for yourself. That was also an irreversible choice, unless someone bought you out of the deal. It was a genuine choice too, between freedom and hardship, and for most people there will be a point, before death, where they will sell their freedom - especially if it is to avoid the starvation of those whom they love.

The thing about slavery, when it is an actual institution, is that it also carries obligations for the slave-owners. In particular, you still have to feed your slave when he is too sick or old to work. I vaguely recall that when slavery was banned in the Ottoman empire, there was opposition to the move mostly from the slaves, because it was suspected to be a ruse of the slave-owners to wriggle out of their duties.

I suppose we all make somewhat irreversible choices, which therefore carry an element of slavery - especially when they go wrong. Those people who have taken on a large enough mortgage are going to feel the bite of Publilius Syrus' "debt is the slavery of the free". Even marriage, which is a conscious choice of a man to put his life into the hands of his wife, and a valid transaction of freedom for family, can end up being slavery in the purest sense.

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16 minutes ago, Austin Allegro said:

LOL Beeboids in meltdown on the comments! There's quite a lot of 'how dare an immigrant stop immigration' stuff as well, which sounds a little bit...well...waycist to me. 

In practice I bet there's going to be little or no change to immigration even assuming we get Brexit. EUers will still come over in large numbers with a bit of token bureaucracy instead of total freedom, it will hopefully just be a bit easier to stop the complete wasters, though even that's doubtful because I don't think there's the political will to clamp down on them. 

Eg can anyone seriously imagine, say, a Bulgarian and his family coming over on a work visa, he then loses his job but instead of going back to Bulgaria he decides to stay on. Who is going to send him back? The NHS is not going to stop giving him free treatment - just imagine the headlines if they did! Schools are not going to stop teaching his children - they will set themselves up as 'sanctuary schools' or some such before they'd dob in an illegal immigrant. etc etc. 

I would agree with most if not all of that ,

The game changer should be, in and out of work benefits if they are stopped i`m sure that will be a huge downside for many would be migrants but IMO it still just the first step down a long road

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4 hours ago, Long time lurking said:

It`s going pete tong everywhere for the lefttards 

The Brussels hierarchy have ruled livestock production must move elsewhere within the Union. Its the Nitrogen production you see. I almost thought tractor production. So it has been written, so it must be done ergo Brussels.

It has to move elesewhere in the Union as decreed. Brussels needs those production figures. It shows how wealth moves and how wealthy we are....well except the Dutch. They were rude enough to ignore the Nitrogen factor.

I think they, the Dutch and Brussels should meet half way and have tractor useage as the factor to use in those valuable figures of production. 

Production is key. The Dumb Dutch thought selling at value was. They forgot about the Nitrogen. The N Factor in production.

So production needs to be moved elsewhere in the Union. The Nitrogen factor was missed by the Dutch. They should have asked Brussels directly about this so they could close profit making businesses quicker and move production ( please.dont equate production with that satan must of a word, profitability) elsewhere in the Union.

Thank goodness for the Brussels production factor.  Romania here we come. The Dutch should lesrn a valuable lesson that value does note equate with production.

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51 minutes ago, The Grey Man said:

The Brussels hierarchy have ruled livestock production must move elsewhere within the Union. Its the Nitrogen production you see. I almost thought tractor production. So it has been written, so it must be done ergo Brussels.

It has to move elesewhere in the Union as decreed. Brussels needs those production figures. It shows how wealth moves and how wealthy we are....well except the Dutch. They were rude enough to ignore the Nitrogen factor.

I think they, the Dutch and Brussels should meet half way and have tractor useage as the factor to use in those valuable figures of production. 

Production is key. The Dumb Dutch thought selling at value was. They forgot about the Nitrogen. The N Factor in production.

So production needs to be moved elsewhere in the Union. The Nitrogen factor was missed by the Dutch. They should have asked Brussels directly about this so they could close profit making businesses quicker and move production ( please.dont equate production with that satan must of a word, profitability) elsewhere in the Union.

Thank goodness for the Brussels production factor.  Romania here we come. The Dutch should lesrn a valuable lesson that value does note equate with production.

Its all about dragging people down to the lowest common denominator (somewhere between Romania & France just like Greece) in the name of social justice and egalitarianism.

The last thing they want as one region being more efficient and productive than another one as the divergence of wealth leads to movement of people and overcrowding, much better to have a mix of people smeared everywhere.

All very Soviet cooperative farmish and even better if everyone is vegetarian and lacking in the vim 'n' vigour' of revolution, a continent low on calories and protein is a controllable one, see Mao Tse Tung.

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1 minute ago, Chewing Grass said:

Its all about dragging people down to the lowest common denominator (somewhere between Romania & France just like Greece) in the name of social justice and egalitarianism.

The last thing they want as one region being more efficient and productive than another one as the divergence of wealth leads to movement of people and overcrowding, much better to have a mix of people smeared everywhere.

All very Soviet cooperative farmish and even better if everyone is vegetarian and lacking in the vim 'n' vigour' of revolution, a continent low on calories and protein is a controllable one, see Mao Tse Tung.

I disagree. They want Germany to be more efficient and productive. The rest of the nations can fuck off. 

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1 hour ago, The Grey Man said:

The Brussels hierarchy have ruled livestock production must move elsewhere within the Union.

They also signed the Mercosur trade deal recently.  Opening up the trade in cheaper livestock from South America.  Brazil, in particular, looking forward to raising cows on that bit that used to have the useless trees all over it.

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