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Wight Flight

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At the GE I'll probably vote for...  

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5 minutes ago, The Generation Game 🙌 said:

5. Call another GE within 6 months.

6 months won't do it. If we get a remoaner parliament in before we have signed the actual leave deal (10 years?) then we are truly fucked. Fuck fuckety fuck fucked!

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55 minutes ago, Libspero said:

I'm going to hope for a Brexit Party / Tory coalition.

The Tories for Boris and JRM (I think their personalities bring a lot of energy / charisma / entertainment to what is a very bitter business).  Plus the Guardian reading remainers HATE them.

Then Farage to force them down the clean Brexit route and keep them honest. And also because he's "literally worse than Hitler"..   ;)

 

I was thinking about this earlier. If the Conservatives do campaign on Boris’ deal, they are unlikely to win an outright majority but would take a lot of votes from voters who always vote Tory and/or those who want Brexit to conclude but are worried about the supposed impact of a no deal. After the election, couldn’t Farage offer to support the Conservatives in coalition on condition of a no deal, clean break Brexit? (Which I know has been mentioned before the latest Boris EU treaty/deal came along).

And could this have been planned all along? I.e. between Conservatives and BXP hoover up the votes of those that:

1) Always vote Conservatives (vote Tory)

2) Want Brexit but have bought into the propaganda of the effects of a no deal Brexit (vote Tory)

3) Previously voted Remain but want Brexit done and/or are scared of the politics of the other parties (vote Tory)

4) Those who want a no deal Brexit (BXP)

5) Those who want any flavour of Brexit but wouldn’t vote Tory (BXP)

I.e. a coalition of leavers plus anyone else who wants Brexit done and finds the idea of Lab-Lib horrifying

Result: no deal Brexit

Edited by Rhaegal

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9 minutes ago, XswampyX said:

6 months won't do it. If we get a remoaner parliament in before we have signed the actual leave deal (10 years?) then we are truly fucked. Fuck fuckety fuck fucked!

I was going on the assumption that this would get BXP a majority. 

(We'd then probably find that 25% wanted a soft Brexit). 

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One policy I'd be interested in, if any party should offer it, would be a written constitution to replace our make-it-up-a-you-go-along system.   It would have to be the whole 9 yards - everything up for discussion, and formed by a constitutional convention made up of random ordinary people - to be later voted on in a referendum. 
I'm not sure what the appetite is for further referendums, but the existing constitution is obviously fucked.

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It is hard to believe after him being announced as the second coming and getting a big polling bounce out of actually getting us out, and yet Johnson's big moment is the reheated soufle of May's Merkel dictated 'negotiation' with some dancing around the contrived and small fish issue of the Irish border. May got the benefit of the doubt for years with her "Brexit Means Brexit"; Boris' honeymoon shorter (once bitten). If only he'd been a man of principle, prepared to figuratively die in that ditch.

Just what now? Politicians will lie and the electorate will simply not give us the clearout we need; we will be disappointed. Our national decline likely to continue sadly; with better politicians we might have had a chance.

As for my vote, decent pro-Brexit Conservative MP in a tight key marginal. Awful Labour prospective candidate and Momentum well embedded. Will probably have to stick rather than go BXP.

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6 minutes ago, Alonso Quijano said:

It is hard to believe after him being announced as the second coming and getting a big polling bounce out of actually getting us out, and yet Johnson's big moment is the reheated soufle of May's Merkel dictated 'negotiation' with some dancing around the contrived and small fish issue of the Irish border. May got the benefit of the doubt for years with her "Brexit Means Brexit"; Boris' honeymoon shorter (once bitten). If only he'd been a man of principle, prepared to figuratively die in that ditch.

Just what now? Politicians will lie and the electorate will simply not give us the clearout we need; we will be disappointed. Our national decline likely to continue sadly; with better politicians we might have had a chance.

As for my vote, decent pro-Brexit Conservative MP in a tight key marginal. Awful Labour prospective candidate and Momentum well embedded. Will probably have to stick rather than go BXP.

No.  Go Labour.  The Conservative party has to be destroyed so that another group arises which actually tries to be conservative and pro-native.

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4 minutes ago, sarahbell said:

Possible amendments

.. votes for 16/17 year olds

... Votes for EU citizens

 

They need to be careful what they wish for.

They think the current 16-18 year olds are the same as today's 21 year olds. I am not so sure.

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7 minutes ago, sarahbell said:

Vietnamese maybe too  might get a vote

Indeed. Havent the NZ govt recently upped their muslim refugee intake on account of the Christchurch shooting?

Shame they don't reduce the intake everytime a muslim shoots up a bunch of infidels. Funny how these things only seem to go one way. 

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4 minutes ago, Chewing Grass said:

Letting EU citizens vote would be absolutely scandalous.

Why? They won't listen to them either. xD

It's a complete farce. 16 year old's voting in school and EU immigrants voting for the EU.... what's next ballot stuffing and postal vote rigging?

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It strikes me as odd that the lib undems want to make sure the students can vote twice. And they believe that they have forgotten the broken promise on student fees.

Their two votes may not go the way they hope.

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1 hour ago, sarahbell said:

Possible amendments

.. votes for 16/17 year olds

... Votes for EU citizens

 

I think that's what SNP's Blackford was suggesting according to bbc radio earlier this evening.

Blackford for Prime Minister.

Edited by twocents

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11 minutes ago, OurDayWillCome said:

Someone posted this video recently, I think it’s a good place to re-post as it sums up sentiment at the moment.

 

Theres a subliminal cock pic in there isnt there??

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37 minutes ago, XswampyX said:

Why? They won't listen to them either. xD

It's a complete farce. 16 year old's voting in school and EU immigrants voting for the EU.... what's next ballot stuffing and postal vote rigging?

They wouldn't do anything as criminal as that would they now.

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29 minutes ago, Wight Flight said:

It strikes me as odd that the lib undems want to make sure the students can vote twice. And they believe that they have forgotten the broken promise on student fees.

Their two votes may not go the way they hope.

That might be why the bankers' shill Martin Lewis (at least it sounded like him) was on the radio this afternoon trying to explain why taking on a massive increase in students' tuition fee debt was a good idea and nothing to be concerned about.

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I honestly dont understand how anyone can even consider voting tory after the last 3 years of avoiding brexit, the last 10 years of increasing immigration and re-ramping up house prices.

This whole 'cant let labour in mentality' is the sole reason we have such a worthless, useless right/centre right,

 

Punish them. Vote for whoever is more likely to get the tories out wherever you are.

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21 minutes ago, Bus Stop Boxer said:

Theres a subliminal cock pic in there isnt there??

Only if you've watched gay porn in the last 72 hours.  I didn't see one.

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25 minutes ago, PatronizingGit said:

I honestly dont understand how anyone can even consider voting tory after the last 3 years of avoiding brexit, the last 10 years of increasing immigration and re-ramping up house prices.

This whole 'cant let labour in mentality' is the sole reason we have such a worthless, useless right/centre right,

 

Punish them. Vote for whoever is more likely to get the tories out wherever you are.

I wouldn't vote for tuition fees treachery LibDems or vote for Labour who previously did what the tories (and LibDems for the 5 years when in coalition) have continued doing for the past 9 years either.  If the LibDems and/or Labour are successful then that's one thing but it won't be as a result of me casting a vote for any of the LibLabCon.  

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15 minutes ago, PatronizingGit said:

I honestly dont understand how anyone can even consider voting tory after the last 3 years of avoiding brexit, the last 10 years of increasing immigration and re-ramping up house prices.

This whole 'cant let labour in mentality' is the sole reason we have such a worthless, useless right/centre right,

 

Punish them. Vote for whoever is more likely to get the tories out wherever you are.

Feel free to tactically vote against the Tories if you feel that strongly about them..  but I don’t understand your reasoning that the Libdems and Labour are somehow going to push Brexit, stop immigration and deflate house prices.  Frankly I think you’re barking!

If that’s your main priority you’d be better off voting for the Brexit party..  though I don’t believe even they are interested in deflating house prices.

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13 minutes ago, Libspero said:

Feel free to tactically vote against the Tories if you feel that strongly about them..  but I don’t understand your reasoning that the Libdems and Labour are somehow going to push Brexit, stop immigration and deflate house prices.  Frankly I think you’re barking!

If that’s your main priority you’d be better off voting for the Brexit party..  though I don’t believe even they are interested in deflating house prices.

Quite.

"I'm going on a tinder date with Brian the killer rapist."

"Why's that, are you mad!"

"Well... at least he's honest." o.O

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12 minutes ago, Libspero said:

Feel free to tactically vote against the Tories if you feel that strongly about them..  but I don’t understand your reasoning that the Libdems and Labour are somehow going to push Brexit, stop immigration and deflate house prices.  Frankly I think you’re barking!

If that’s your main priority you’d be better off voting for the Brexit party..  though I don’t believe even they are interested in deflating house prices.

It's a false argument to say vote X because Y and Z won't do what is needed, if X won't do it either.  In that situation - which is where we are now - voting for Y and Z is rational IF you think they will at as a catalyst to the birth of a new paradigm.  

Get a Lab gvt, or a LD gvt, or a coalition, and the rapid impact of economic collapse can lead to a real shift in voter opinion on what is needed.  See the 1970's that lead to Thatcherism.

Personally, I think the UK had a last chance with BREXIT to protect itself from a very nasty future of civil war and economic serfdom for the masses.  It's now about hastening a collapse whilst enough remains within the structures of society to allow a rebuild.

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The UK has already been through every possible different combination and every possible different scenario offered by the constituents of the LibLabCon cartel over several recent and not so recent decades and it's resulted in the current totally unsatisfactory situation for the UK.

It's high time for something new which preferably doesn't involve any of them at all.

Edited by twocents

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