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Dave Bloke

How would you negotiate the Brexit?

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So the latest plan is to dump nuclear waste in Europe if the deal goes sour with the EU threatening "ve vill have zee coastguard ready" - news to me that the EU had a coast guard but still.

Now a German MP has piped up that Verhoefstadter scuppered a deal with Cameron to further his own megalomaniac interests and that Barnier wanted to severely punish Britain "pour encourager les autres". The latest demand is that the UK should carry on paying into the CAP, forever.

So is a deal possible? I'm not sure the EU27 are ever going to be aligned enough to agree a deal but maybe it is worth going through the pretence of negotiating anyway.

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We are not leaving. There's a drip, drip of "ooh, isn't the EU great?"  Today it was an EU directive banning card charges. 

 

Tomorrow it will be something else. 

 

I'm sure the media's piece de resistance, that tips us into another referendum, will be amazing. 

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5 hours ago, SpectrumFX said:

I'm a gunboat diplomacy sort of guy.

So i'd mostly be telling them to fuck off, while flying war planes about and having Vanguard class submarines surfacing at politically opportune moments.

To be honest it's probably a good thing that I'm not in charge xD

Not with the size of our current navy.

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Give it a few months and if it continues to look like they aren't going to budge - then commence trade negotiations immediately.

The only reason we aren't doing it is because it's not allowed within EU rules. 

Who cares. We are leaving. 

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There will be no agreement IMO. Too many people in the EU don't want one. Most notably France because they want a piece of the action in the City, this is part of what Macron's backers were aiming at though as usual they are pretending otherwise. And on this, Germany will back them up. With those two against, nothing will be possible.

Am I the only one that is worried for the U.K.? To my mind some of you should be, other than those who have VERY secure jobs, paid-for homes and food/arms caches hidden on their property. The problems faced by the U.K. are so huge. It's like a list of "what not to do to run an economy".

Inadequate and dishonest politicians with no convictions or motives other than remaining in power. Media that are unable or unwilling to warn the deluded population of what they are really facing. Massively leveraged and financialised economy with a significant proportion of the population dependent on benefits which is being paid for with borrowing. Thousands of immigrants arriving every day, the majority attracted by the benefits and unable to support themselves. Main trading partner in the hands of a cult aiming to punish apostates so trade likely to be massively reduced soon. Dependent on imports for food and energy. 

These are just the additional issues faced by the U.K. alone. Then there are the others faced by everybody - looming technological revolution and accompanying mass unemployment. 

The cliff edge is close now. 

 

 

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54 minutes ago, swissy_fit said:

There will be no agreement IMO. Too many people in the EU don't want one. Most notably France because they want a piece of the action in the City, this is part of what Macron's backers were aiming at though as usual they are pretending otherwise. And on this, Germany will back them up. With those two against, nothing will be possible.

Am I the only one that is worried for the U.K.? To my mind some of you should be, other than those who have VERY secure jobs, paid-for homes and food/arms caches hidden on their property. The problems faced by the U.K. are so huge. It's like a list of "what not to do to run an economy".

Inadequate and dishonest politicians with no convictions or motives other than remaining in power. Media that are unable or unwilling to warn the deluded population of what they are really facing. Massively leveraged and financialised economy with a significant proportion of the population dependent on benefits which is being paid for with borrowing. Thousands of immigrants arriving every day, the majority attracted by the benefits and unable to support themselves. Main trading partner in the hands of a cult aiming to punish apostates so trade likely to be massively reduced soon. Dependent on imports for food and energy. 

These are just the additional issues faced by the U.K. alone. Then there are the others faced by everybody - looming technological revolution and accompanying mass unemployment. 

The cliff edge is close now. 

 

 

Pretty much what RN has been saying (especially on the food part)...

http://www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=86542

Edited by Dave Beans

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15 hours ago, twocents said:

I'd be reasonably happy to see a small period of attempted negotiation, say 2 months.  It'll be impossible to reach satisfactory agreement and the UK should then Just Leave immediately and make preparations so that in  2 years time the paperwork is finished to make it official and final.  I would be happy to see it sooner and even by the end of this year.  

For goodness sake Just Leave.


I think so too.

All this guff about negotiation is nonsense.

The sooner we slam the brakes on non-UK people getting NHS health treatment - or at least do some genuine FOI about it the better.
And housing and benefits and everything else.
 

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I would start by telling the huge numbers of people (especially in the media) who bang on about how armageddon is coming to shut the fuck up.

Europe has been very keen to get trade deals with Canada etc.

If we had never been a member of Europe, is it even conceivable that they wouldn't want a trade deal with us, a huge market, on their doorstep?

No it isn't. So stop the bloody pontification and get on with it.

As far as I can see, for a zero tariff trade deal, all that is required is for all parties to agree it is a good idea. The years of work required is drawing up all the specifications and regulations for every single conceivable product that could be traded.

Well guess what. Today, we already have all that done. The day after we leave we will still be 100% compliant. The real hard work is already done.

It could be finalised in weeks if everyone stopped playing bloody games.
 

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7 hours ago, swissy_fit said:

Am I the only one that is worried for the U.K.? To my mind some of you should be, other than those who have VERY secure jobs, paid-for homes and food/arms caches hidden on their property. The problems faced by the U.K. are so huge. It's like a list of "what not to do to run an economy".

Yeah, I can't help feeling concerned, and I'm doing the best I can to mitigate any effects but I feel it's effectively pointless. Wife doesn't want to leave the UK, and it may well be too late before she realises how bad it's got. I guess I need to stop thinking about it.

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7 hours ago, swissy_fit said:

These are just the additional issues faced by the U.K. alone. Then there are the others faced by everybody - looming technological revolution and accompanying mass unemployment. 

The cliff edge is close now. 

But on the upside Strictly's back in the autumn.

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16 minutes ago, Flirtygirty said:

Britain isolated from the continent of Europe is not exactly a new historical phenomenon is it ?

The UK has been a Ship of Fools for decades now and the EU has not really helped as it has been used by British politicians to cover their own shortcomings for years.

You have correctly identified most of the huge risks facing this country but to be honest these have all largely come into existence during the decades we have been in the EU and when the City of London has been calling the shots on the economy. Given both of these institutions have done nothing to address any of the UKs problems I don't really see the demise of either being anything but necessary. As for the French wanting to gobble up London's financial role they ought to be careful what they wish for 

Too some extent I don't care if the UK economy turns to shit because frankly like a lot of people on Dosbods I am fed up with labouring to carry the innumerable free riders in our society both at the top and the bottom. If it means I have to live on soup and beans as well then I am up for that too. Things can't continue as they are now so the sooner it ends the better. 

As for the Europeans if past history is anything to go by they are not going to stay united on anything for long once we are gone.

 

 

 

 

I'm very late to this thread, god knows why.  I've run out of reps giving each post a rep.  I could have chosen so many to quote to highlight.  However, flirty here sums up pretty well my view.

 

what I really, really don't understand is given the excellent level of analysis and understanding demonstrated on this thread, is why the hell the establishment has not come to dosbods to work out its vision and negotiating strategy. Idiots. 

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10 minutes ago, One percent said:

 

what I really, really don't understand is given the excellent level of analysis and understanding demonstrated on this thread, is why the hell the establishment has not come to dosbods to work out its vision and negotiating strategy. Idiots. 

Making Mrs XYY our Brexit negotiator seemed such a good idea at the time.

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I would not negotiate with the EU.

I would simply explain the situation to them as simple, and succinctly as possible, in their mother-tongues.

 

kannst du dich bitte schleichen

Di do piči!

Skrid med dig!

Rot op!

Fous le camps

 

Or, in good old-fashioned English - Fuck off...!!!

 

XYY

Edited by The XYY Man

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12 minutes ago, The XYY Man said:

I would not negotiate with the EU.

I would simply explain the situation to them as simple, and succinctly as possible, in their mother-tongues.

 

kannst du dich bitte schleichen

Di do piči!

Skrid med dig!

Rot op!

Fous le camps

 

Or, in good old-fashioned English - Fuck off...!!!

 

XYY

👍 out of reps 

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15 minutes ago, The XYY Man said:

I would not negotiate with the EU.

I would simply explain the situation to them as simple, and succinctly as possible, in their mother-tongues.

 

kannst du dich bitte schleichen

Di do piči!

Skrid med dig!

Rot op!

Fous le camps

 

Or, in good old-fashioned English - Fuck off...!!!

 

XYY

This sums up my feelings succinctly.

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