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China Backlash?


TheBlueCat
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Sucralose Ray Leonard
3 hours ago, wherebee said:

I have lived and worked in HK, as you know, and respect and love the Chinese people - got some really good friends.  

 

Mate of mine that that's born and bred in Hong Kong until the handover doesn't consider himself Chinese, and actually hates them. 

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Taking manufacturing back is going to be made very difficult by the Chinese. They've had to entangle themselves around Westminster for years to get the 5G contract... I can't see it being pretty. Maybe the Japs will invade them again.

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5 hours ago, TheBlueCat said:

The Chinese government suppressed news about the virus early on and will likely do very little to stop something similar happening again. The result is going to be likely 100s of thousands of needless deatha and utter economic chaos for years to come. Are we really going to continue to trade with those fuckers as if nothing happened? Are we, for example, going to allow Huawei to own our telecoms infrastructure? Are we going to allow their citizens to study at UK institutions? Are we going to allow them to buy our companies? I mean, are we really?

 

Are we going to allow them to build our nuclear power stations ?

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5 hours ago, TheBlueCat said:

The Chinese government suppressed news about the virus early on and will likely do very little to stop something similar happening again. The result is going to be likely 100s of thousands of needless deatha and utter economic chaos for years to come. Are we really going to continue to trade with those fuckers as if nothing happened? Are we, for example, going to allow Huawei to own our telecoms infrastructure? Are we going to allow their citizens to study at UK institutions? Are we going to allow them to buy our companies? I mean, are we really?

Yes, unfortunately

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5 hours ago, TheBlueCat said:

The Chinese government suppressed news about the virus early on and will likely do very little to stop something similar happening again. The result is going to be likely 100s of thousands of needless deatha and utter economic chaos for years to come. Are we really going to continue to trade with those fuckers as if nothing happened? Are we, for example, going to allow Huawei to own our telecoms infrastructure? Are we going to allow their citizens to study at UK institutions? Are we going to allow them to buy our companies? I mean, are we really?

Don't forget that huge amounts of UK BTLs are owned by the Chinese too.

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The Chinese economic miracle has one big weakness. They work on the theory that they control what they invest in/lend for. They lend money to lots of African countries for instance to build infrastructure projects on the assumption that they will gain goodwill and power in those countries. The Africans just see them as mugs. I mean what will they do if they don't pay the loans back, dig up the railways?

The ideals they work to are just wrong 

“There is no greater danger than underestimating your opponent.” ― Lao Tzu. 

Incorrect, it should be "There is no greater danger than overestimating yourself"

Assuming that the rest of the world's population will act in a way you want is bound to fail. Look at the British Empire as a good example.

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Yes, the Chinese were covering up shit - but then, most Western governments did the same.

I hope that when all this is over, the true stories will start to emerge - of doctors screaming about how serious the situation was, and politicians everywhere ignoring the warnings.

Hell just on this forum there's a new thread this morning about a ski resort in Switzerland where nearly everyone was sick, the doctors called for a lockdown of the town, and the politicians said "non", which is pure head-in-the-sand when you think that 2 of Switzerland's neighbours - Italy and France - were already shutting down.

I bet there's dozens of similar stories that will come out soon.

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42 minutes ago, Option5 said:

“There is no greater danger than underestimating your opponent.” ― Lao Tzu. 

Incorrect, it should be "There is no greater danger than overestimating yourself"

You have become enlightened! Shave your head (if necessary), and the robes are in the post.

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Just now, MrPin said:

You have become enlightened! Shave your head (if necessary), and the robes are in the post.

Fuck off, as one of the few over 60s males on here with a full head of hair I'm keeping it!

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6 hours ago, TheBlueCat said:

The Chinese government suppressed news about the virus early on and will likely do very little to stop something similar happening again. The result is going to be likely 100s of thousands of needless deatha and utter economic chaos for years to come. Are we really going to continue to trade with those fuckers as if nothing happened? Are we, for example, going to allow Huawei to own our telecoms infrastructure? Are we going to allow their citizens to study at UK institutions? Are we going to allow them to buy our companies? I mean, are we really?

I'll break down your questions into detail as worthy of a considered response.

Are we really going to continue to trade with those fuckers as if nothing happened? Yes, we are.

Are we, for example, going to allow Huawei to own our telecoms infrastructure? Yes, we are.

Are we going to allow their citizens to study at UK institutions? Yes, we are.

Are we going to allow them to buy our companies? Yes we are.

I mean, are we really? See above.

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OurDayWillCome
3 hours ago, Sucralose Ray Leonard said:

Mate of mine that that's born and bred in Hong Kong until the handover doesn't consider himself Chinese, and actually hates them. 

Whenever I visit Hong Kong they remind me of the Scottish.

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Kurt Barlow
1 hour ago, HolyCow said:

Don't forget that huge amounts of UK BTLs are owned by the Chinese too.

A good opportunity then for some extra BTL taxes. 

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1 hour ago, Option5 said:

The Chinese economic miracle has one big weakness. They work on the theory that they control what they invest in/lend for. They lend money to lots of African countries for instance to build infrastructure projects on the assumption that they will gain goodwill and power in those countries. The Africans just see them as mugs. I mean what will they do if they don't pay the loans back, dig up the railways?

The ideals they work to are just wrong 

“There is no greater danger than underestimating your opponent.” ― Lao Tzu. 

Incorrect, it should be "There is no greater danger than overestimating yourself"

Assuming that the rest of the world's population will act in a way you want is bound to fail. Look at the British Empire as a good example.

Yes, surely it's the old story that if you owe a bank a million dollars and can't pay you're fucked whereas if you owe tha bank a billion dollars and can't or WON'T pay the bank is fucked. Bigger numbers, lots of borrowers and the bank is China. If the West were to grow balls China would be in shit. No loans repaid and assets of all sorts siezed.

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Lightly Toasted

The needed reform would require something comparable to a revolution: a completely new way of doing things with significant hardship along the way.

After the revolution, did China honour the investments of foreigners? Rhetorical question, of course they didn't. You can buy the certificates on ebay, warning! they are trading at a signficant discount ;)

Communist China felt justified in seizing assets and reneging on debts because they'd been treated unfairly by foreigners, with the collusion of their own corrupt government. Essentially they decided to start with a blank slate.

Hmmm.

I wish we had the strength to make the equivalent choice but we don't.

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The Masked Tulip

 

Don't forget, to get the manufacturing in the first place Western govts and banks facilitated the selling of entire manufacturing lines from factories the world over and shipped them lock, stock and barrel to China. 

Making stuff is easy if you have the machines to make the machines to make the machines which make stuff.

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Very interesting Mr @The Masked Tulip. I'm only racist about Sunderland. Ive never been to China. I have been to Korea. They have their attitudes. I've been it India on my MY FAMOUS ADVENTURE, of which I constantly brag.

China is unknown to me, because I am exiled to the East Midlands.

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2 hours ago, MrPin said:
1 hour ago, Lightly Toasted said:

The needed reform would require something comparable to a revolution: a completely new way of doing things with significant hardship along the way.

After the revolution, did China honour the investments of foreigners? Rhetorical question, of course they didn't. You can buy the certificates on ebay, warning! they are trading at a signficant discount ;)

Communist China felt justified in seizing assets and reneging on debts because they'd been treated unfairly by foreigners, with the collusion of their own corrupt government. Essentially they decided to start with a blank slate.

Hmmm.

I wish we had the strength to make the equivalent choice but we don't.

The Chinese are of the opinion that they are smarter and better than us, as their leaders tell them this and they don't dare argue. Bit like North Korea but bigger.

 

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3 hours ago, Lightly Toasted said:

The needed reform would require something comparable to a revolution: a completely new way of doing things with significant hardship along the way...

Been thinking that myself, but not going to be easy; they have nukes!  :(

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2 minutes ago, muggle said:

Been thinking that myself, but not going to be easy; they have nukes!  :(

The soul and teachings of the holy "John Noakes" will guide them on their way to Birmingham, and revelation.

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