UK Govt Coronavirus Response: Sceptics Thread

[sancho panza]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9681613/Study-shows-29-people-died-catching-new-strain-vaccinations.html

 

Almost a third of the 42 Britons who have so far died from the Indian (Delta) Covid had been double jabbed, a new report has revealed.

With the Prime Minister on the verge of delaying 'Freedom Day' by up to four weeks, new analysis by Public Health England (PHE) has revealed that 29 per cent of Covid deaths from the B.1.617.2 strain had received two injections.  

And, in a further blow, the PHE report suggests the Delta variant has a 64 per cent increased risk of household transmission compared to the Kent (Alpha) variant.

Of those, 42 Britons have died from the Delta variant. And the PHE report shows that of those 42 people to have died, 12 were fully vaccinated.

From the remaining group, 23 were unvaccinated, while seven had received their first dose more than 21 days before.

[Hancock]

13 hours ago, sancho panza said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9681613/Study-shows-29-people-died-catching-new-strain-vaccinations.html

 

Almost a third of the 42 Britons who have so far died from the Indian (Delta) Covid had been double jabbed, a new report has revealed.

With the Prime Minister on the verge of delaying 'Freedom Day' by up to four weeks, new analysis by Public Health England (PHE) has revealed that 29 per cent of Covid deaths from the B.1.617.2 strain had received two injections.  

And, in a further blow, the PHE report suggests the Delta variant has a 64 per cent increased risk of household transmission compared to the Kent (Alpha) variant.

Of those, 42 Britons have died from the Delta variant. And the PHE report shows that of those 42 people to have died, 12 were fully vaccinated.

From the remaining group, 23 were unvaccinated, while seven had received their first dose more than 21 days before.

Doesnt give ages of those people.

Seems fourteen, elderly people died after having the vaccine, with some possibly having "the virus".

 

 

Edited June 14, 2021 by Hancock

[sancho panza]

13 hours ago, Hancock said:

Doesnt give ages of those people.

Seems fourteen, elderly people died after having the vaccine, with some possibly having "the virus".

 

 

As I've said,if they included everyone who'd died within 28 days of the vaccine,we'd have a a bigger problem.

The article focuses on 29% as a headline rather than the body count.

All i all,the stats are really unreliable.No doubt.

[sancho panza]

I can confirm it's very stressful in A&E at the moment.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/nhs-emergency-hospital-patients-safety-b1868711.html

‘A sustained threat to patient safety’: Hospitals across the country swamped by record numbers in A&E

Hospitals across the country have set new records for patient numbers in recent weeks, surpassing the worst days of the winter of 2019 – the most recent winter crisis in the NHS before the coronavirus pandemic hit the UK.

 

A&E doctors from across the country have shared details with The Independent, revealing that in some units patients are waiting as long as nine hours to be seen, with overall numbers up by 50 per cent compared with pre-pandemic levels.

At least 30 hospitals across England have seen record levels of patients during June, stretching from Exeter and Plymouth in the south to hospitals in Middlesbrough, Manchester and elsewhere in the north of England.

On Tuesday, the North Middlesex Hospital in north London declared an internal incident after 700 patients attended its A&E department – the highest level since January 2020, when 684 were recorded in a single day.

The University Hospitals of Leicester trust also recorded its busiest day ever on Tuesday, with 925 patients, as did the University Hospitals of North Midlands trust in Stoke, which saw 866 patients.

At the University Hospitals Birmingham trust, which runs three A&E departments in the region, attendances have jumped from an average of around 900 per day in December 2019 to 1,350 this month. One clinician at the trust said patients were waiting at least nine hours to be seen on some occasions.

At Leeds General Infirmary, the average daily attendance was 350 before the pandemic but has now exceeded 400 patients a day. The trust has publicly warned patients on its Facebook page that they face long waits.

At the Royal Liverpool Hospital the A&E department was described as “at full stretch” with the situation labelled “unsustainable” by one consultant.

Other hospitals declaring record demand include the Royal Free in London, Addenbrooke’s Hospital in Cambridge, and the John Radcliffe Hospital in Oxford.

The pressure is also being felt by paramedics. In a leaked briefing to West Midlands Ambulance Service staff, seen by The Independent, the trust said the problem of delays at hospital was now “the biggest risk to patient safety”.

It added that June was set to be its busiest month on record, saying: “Seven of the top 10 busiest days the trust has experienced from a call perspective have come in June 2021! The situation is quite unprecedented and is being repeated across the country.”

For the first two weeks of the month, calls rose 30 per cent compared to the same month in 2019, with 5,314 calls to 999 on Monday – the second busiest day ever after 4 January, at the height of the Covid surge.

The briefing said: “The trust has not seen sustained pressure like it is currently experiencing in a very long time, if ever. Hospital delays are extensive and growing; members of the public are getting angry at delays in ambulances arriving, and are taking it out on staff over the phone and in person.”

Edited June 21, 2021 by sancho panza

[Don Coglione]

5 minutes ago, sancho panza said:

I can confirm it's very stressful in A&E at the moment.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/nhs-emergency-hospital-patients-safety-b1868711.html

‘A sustained threat to patient safety’: Hospitals across the country swamped by record numbers in A&E

Hospitals across the country have set new records for patient numbers in recent weeks, surpassing the worst days of the winter of 2019 – the most recent winter crisis in the NHS before the coronavirus pandemic hit the UK.

 

A&E doctors from across the country have shared details with The Independent, revealing that in some units patients are waiting as long as nine hours to be seen, with overall numbers up by 50 per cent compared with pre-pandemic levels.

At least 30 hospitals across England have seen record levels of patients during June, stretching from Exeter and Plymouth in the south to hospitals in Middlesbrough, Manchester and elsewhere in the north of England.

On Tuesday, the North Middlesex Hospital in north London declared an internal incident after 700 patients attended its A&E department – the highest level since January 2020, when 684 were recorded in a single day.

The University Hospitals of Leicester trust also recorded its busiest day ever on Tuesday, with 925 patients, as did the University Hospitals of North Midlands trust in Stoke, which saw 866 patients.

At the University Hospitals Birmingham trust, which runs three A&E departments in the region, attendances have jumped from an average of around 900 per day in December 2019 to 1,350 this month. One clinician at the trust said patients were waiting at least nine hours to be seen on some occasions.

At Leeds General Infirmary, the average daily attendance was 350 before the pandemic but has now exceeded 400 patients a day. The trust has publicly warned patients on its Facebook page that they face long waits.

At the Royal Liverpool Hospital the A&E department was described as “at full stretch” with the situation labelled “unsustainable” by one consultant.

Other hospitals declaring record demand include the Royal Free in London, Addenbrooke’s Hospital in Cambridge, and the John Radcliffe Hospital in Oxford.

The pressure is also being felt by paramedics. In a leaked briefing to West Midlands Ambulance Service staff, seen by The Independent, the trust said the problem of delays at hospital was now “the biggest risk to patient safety”.

It added that June was set to be its busiest month on record, saying: “Seven of the top 10 busiest days the trust has experienced from a call perspective have come in June 2021! The situation is quite unprecedented and is being repeated across the country.”

For the first two weeks of the month, calls rose 30 per cent compared to the same month in 2019, with 5,314 calls to 999 on Monday – the second busiest day ever after 4 January, at the height of the Covid surge.

The briefing said: “The trust has not seen sustained pressure like it is currently experiencing in a very long time, if ever. Hospital delays are extensive and growing; members of the public are getting angry at delays in ambulances arriving, and are taking it out on staff over the phone and in person.”

Why is this, SP?

[sancho panza]

1 hour ago, Don Coglione said:

Why is this, SP?

From our point of view I think we're seeing more complex patients more often pre hospitally than we used to.Previously,people who are on a downward health spiral(sorry can't think of a better phrase) would see GP's/Specialists much more regularly than they currently do,be assessed and be treated pre emptively.Elective surgeries are massively reduced which means that all manner of load lifting preventative measures are off the table for a lot of patients.Now some of them are just turning up at A&E in a 'big sick' way.

It's important to note that not all A&E attendances are the same ie someone attending with a fractured ankle will inherently use a lot less resource than someone with a complex medical problem or a trauma case resulting from an RTC.When those latter jobs come in,staff get drawn from the non life threatening patients and get focused on the ones with life threatening conditions.It's important to appreciate the differing demands that different types of patients place on the system.

I personally think we're seeing a rise in violence and mental health problems(which can lead to violence),whether that's linked to the Lockdown or not is a matter for debate but it's my personal opinion that it is.We're also seeing a rise in attention seeking behaviour(my own experience),where patients fake injury/illness to elicit sympathy/treatment/hospital stay.Again it could be a function of social isolation but I'm not a psychiatrist.

From a supply/demand analysis I was talking to a HCA on saturday night who was dealing with someone wearing a 'spit hood' to stop them spitting at staff-nasty piece of work,accompanied by police due to the threat to staff safety.He was broken by the shift,lots of seriously sick patients and they were about 5-10% down on staff and had been unable to get agency in-big city/saturday night shift go figure....so say they're down 10% in staff and due to the patient mix/numbers,demand is up 20%-30% then that dept is likely short 30%-40% on supply.Very intense on the resus teams and you can see why staff would feel the stress isn't worth it.

Edited June 21, 2021 by sancho panza

[Hancock]

18 minutes ago, sancho panza said:

From our point of view I think we're seeing more complex patients more often pre hospitally than we used to.

Be full of wimmin who cant get an appointment for their child to see a GP. (at least it was when i was there a couple of years ago)

What an absolute cluster fuck Boris has made of this, and now he's telling us the imprisonment will continue over winter.

[sancho panza]

47 minutes ago, Hancock said:

Be full of wimmin who cant get an appointment for their child to see a GP. (at least it was when i was there a couple of years ago)

What an absolute cluster fuck Boris has made of this, and now he's telling us the imprisonment will continue over winter.

I think the lid will come off before that.Cities in the UK just aren't policed by the numbers they used to be.A saturday night now,a city of 300,000 might have 25 police on for the busy period between 2100-0200 but thereafter might reduce down.Any mental health patients in A&E with police will have two with them,so say 4 patients in the local A&E and the city is down 8 officers,2 patients 4 officers etc.Doesn't take much to have a dangerous imbalance in demand/supply.

The key take home is that a slight rise in incidental violence/major job eg stabbing/shooting/sickness on part of police staff and the cover is swamped.

We had a couple of stabbings where I work on saturday night as well as a fatality.I can't explain this any other way but in the military they call it 'atmospherics' ie you can't see the ambush but lots of small indicators are combining to make you nervous and alert(abscence of the normal, presence of the abnormal iirc),and they're just telling me that at the moment there's a rawness/randomness to the violence that's unprecedented in my experience.Such that I might go into work one night and I wouldn't be surprised to witness facing multiple county lines gangs going at it across the city-police and medics swamped.

I hope I'm wrong,there's nothing worse than seeing young people die but I think the govt and authorities have massively misjudged the detrimental effects of imprisoning a population for a year plus.

Edited June 21, 2021 by sancho panza

[Bobthebuilder]

@sancho panza

I have been sat here for 10 minutes trying to write a reply to that last post, but I can't.

Amazing job you and your colleagues are doing, sir.

Yes, 100%, things are gonna kick off.

[Chewing Grass]

1 hour ago, sancho panza said:

I think the lid will come off before that.Cities in the UK just aren't policed by the numbers they used to be.A saturday night now,a city of 300,000 might have 25 police on for the busy period between 2100-0200 but thereafter might reduce down.Any mental health patients in A&E with police will have two with them,so say 4 patients in the local A&E and the city is down 8 officers,2 patients 4 officers etc.Doesn't take much to have a dangerous imbalance in demand/supply.

Spot on, my lads a copper and they have 4 to cover a town of 25,000 plus surrounding villages on lates / nights plus a few specials.

[Hancock]

25 minutes ago, Bobthebuilder said:

@sancho panza

I have been sat here for 10 minutes trying to write a reply to that last post, but I can't.

Amazing job you and your colleagues are doing, sir.

Yes, 100%, things are gonna kick off.

Well said. There isnt a whole lot you can say in response.

Interesting to hear someone who sees the nation as close up and personal as is possible, without being part of the problem.

[Hancock]

14 minutes ago, Chewing Grass said:

Spot on, my lads a copper and they have 4 to cover a town of 25,000 plus surrounding villages on lates / nights plus a few specials.

Id imagine in early 1980s England that'd have been enough.

2020s Britain you'd need more than that for the worst pub in town.

[wherebee]

3 hours ago, sancho panza said:

I hope I'm wrong,there's nothing worse than seeing young people die but I think the govt and authorities have massively misjudged the detrimental effects of imprisoning a population for a year plus.

Respect to you and what you do, SP.  As I said on another post, the average DOSBODDER is worth more as a man (or woman) than 99% of elected officials and senior public servants

[sancho panza]

Couple of posts here featuring Dr Robert Malone,the inventor of the MRNA vaccine technology
 

Here's a video with Steve Kirsch,Bret Weinstein & Dr Malone which was banned from youtube.Video is really good but is 3 hours long.The first 15 minute  are superb,talking about bio distribution ie that the vaccine doesn't just stay in your arm,that it travels around the body.Malone talks about how he sent the FDA manuscripts concerning the spike protein being biologically active that the FDA ignored.

Interesting that Malone has taken teh Moderna vaccine

https://trialsitenews.com/how-to-save-the-world-in-three-easy-steps/

here's the youtube version,as it's apparently been de banned.

 

 

https://trialsitenews.com/bioethics-of-experimental-covid-vaccine-deployment-under-eua-its-time-we-stop-and-look-at-whats-going-down/

Robert W Malone, MD, MS¹

I provide this brief essay for the TrialSite community because you are involved or at least interested in human subject clinical research. By way of background, please understand that I am a vaccine specialist and advocate, as well as the original inventor of the mRNA vaccine (and DNA vaccine) core platform technology. But I also have extensive training in bioethics from the University of Maryland, Walter Reed Army Institute of Research, and Harvard Medical School, and advanced clinical development and regulatory affairs are core competencies for me.  

Before examining the bioethical foundations of current policy and practice which underpin experimental COVID vaccine deployment in many in many western nations, allow me to begin by sharing some “real world” first-hand evidence.  

I was on a call with a Canadian primary care physician last week for a couple of hours. He related the story of the six (in his mind) highly unusual clinical cases of post-vaccination adverse events that he has personally observed in his practice involving vaccination of his patients with the Pfizer mRNA vaccine product. Keep in mind that it was Canadian physicians – acting of their own accord – who filed the FOIA to gain access to the Pfizer vaccine IND (see https://trialsitenews.com/did-pfizer-fail-to-perform-industry-standard-animal-testing-prior-to-initiation-of-mrna-clinical-trials/).

What was most alarming to me was that my clinical primary practice physician colleague told me that each of these cases were reported as per the proper channels in Canada, and each was summarily determined to not be vaccine related by the authorities without significant investigation. Furthermore, he reported to me that any practicing physician in Canada who goes public with concerns about vaccine safety is subjected to a storm of derision from academic physicians and potential termination of employment (state-controlled socialized medicine) and loss of license to practice.

This is one face of censorship in the time of COVID (see https://www.embopress.org/doi/full/10.15252/embr.202051420).  But what are official public health leaders afraid of? Why is it necessary to suppress discussion and full disclosure of information concerning mRNA reactogenicity and safety risks? Let’s analyze the vaccine-related adverse event data rigorously. Is there information or patterns that can be found, such as the recent finding of the cardiomyopathy signals, or the latent virus reactivation signals?  We should be enlisting the best biostatistics and machine learning experts to examine these data, and the results should- no must- be made available to the public promptly.  Please follow along and take a moment to examine the underlying bioethics of this situation with me.

I believe that adult citizens must be allowed free will, the freedom to choose. This is particularly true in the case of clinical research.  These mRNA and recombinant adenovirus vaccine products remain experimental at this time. Furthermore, we are supposed to be doing rigorous, fact-based science and medicine. If rigorous and transparent evaluation of vaccine reactogenicity and treatment-emergent post-vaccination adverse events is not done, we (the public health, clinical research and vaccine developer communities) play right into the hands of anti-vaxxer memes and validate many of their arguments. The suppression of information, discussion, and outright censorship concerning these current COVID vaccines which are based on gene therapy technologies cast a bad light on the entire vaccine enterprise.  It is my opinion that the adult public can handle information and open discussion. Furthermore, we must fully disclose any and all risks associated with these experimental research products.

In this context, the adult public are basically research subjects that are not being required to sign informed consent due to EUA waiver. But that does not mean that they do not deserve the full disclosure of risks that one would normally require in an informed consent document for a clinical trial.  And now some national authorities are calling on the deployment of EUA vaccines to adolescents and the young, which by definition are not able to directly provide informed consent to participate in clinical research  – written or otherwise.

The key point here is that what is being done by suppressing open disclosure and debate concerning the profile of adverse events associated with these vaccines violates fundamental bioethical principles for clinical research. This goes back to the Geneva convention and the Helsinki declaration. See https://www.wma.net/policies-post/wma-declaration-of-helsinki-ethical-principles-for-medical-research-involving-human-subjects/. There must be informed consent for experimentation on human subjects. The human subjects – you, me, and the citizens of these countries – must be informed of risks.  As a community, we have already had a discussion and made our decision – we cannot compel prisoners, military recruits, or any other population of humans to participate in a clinical research study.  For example, see the Belmont report, which provided the rationale for US federal law Code of Federal Regulations 45 CFR 46 (subpart A), referred to as “The Federal Policy for the Protection of Human Subjects” (also known as the “Common Rule”).

Quoting from the Belmont Report: 

“Informed Consent. — Respect for persons requires that subjects, to the degree that they are capable, be given the opportunity to choose what shall or shall not happen to them. This opportunity is provided when adequate standards for informed consent are satisfied.

While the importance of informed consent is unquestioned, controversy prevails over the nature and possibility of an informed consent. Nonetheless, there is widespread agreement that the consent process can be analyzed as containing three elements: information, comprehension and voluntariness.”

https://www.hhs.gov/ohrp/regulations-and-policy/belmont-report/read-the-belmont-report/index.html

Information, comprehension, and voluntariness.  To my eyes, it appears that in many regions public health leadership has stepped over the line and is now violating the bedrock principles which form the foundation upon which the ethics of clinical research are built.  I believe that this must stop.  We must have transparent public disclosure of risks – in a broad sense – associated with these experimental vaccines.  It is either that, or the entire modern bioethical structure which supports human subjects research will have to be re-thought.

I really think we need to 

“stop, children, what’s that sound – everybody look what’s going down” 

(For What it’s Worth, Buffalo Springfield)

Furthermore, as these vaccines are not yet market authorized (licensed), coercion of human subjects to participate in medical experimentation is specifically forbidden. Therefore, public health policies which meet generally accepted criteria for coercion to participate in clinical research are forbidden.  

For example, if I were to propose a clinical trial involving children and entice participation by giving out ice cream to those willing to participate, any institutional human subjects safety board (IRB) in the United States would reject that protocol. If I were to propose a clinical research protocol wherein the population of a geographic region would lose personal liberties unless 70% of the population participated in my study, once again, that protocol would be rejected by any US IRB based on coercion of subject participation. No coercion to participate in the study is allowed. In human subject clinical research, in most countries of the world this is considered a bright line that cannot be crossed. So, now we are told to waive that requirement without even so much as open public discussion being allowed?  

In conclusion, I hope that you will join me; stop to take a moment and consider for yourself what is going on. The logic seems clear to me. 1) An unlicensed medical product deployed under emergency use authorization (EUA) remains an experimental product under clinical research development. 2) EUA authorized by national authorities basically grants a short-term right to administer the research product to human subjects without written informed consent. 3) The Geneva Convention, the Helsinki declaration, and the entire structure which supports ethical human subjects research requires that research subjects be fully informed of risks and must consent to participation without coercion. Has that bright line been crossed? If so, what actions are to be taken? I look forward to learning from your thoughts and conclusions.

 

 

 

 

Edited June 22, 2021 by sancho panza

[sancho panza]

16 hours ago, Bobthebuilder said:

@sancho panza

I have been sat here for 10 minutes trying to write a reply to that last post, but I can't.

Amazing job you and your colleagues are doing, sir.

Yes, 100%, things are gonna kick off.

No worries Bob,thank you.

It's weird,I see what I see at work,I get home,look out onto my veg patch where the spud you inspired me to plant are growing like bushes and the world's a good place.

Posting a video of Sotuh Africa A&E's,puts our situation into perpsective,but I suspect we're jsut futher behind them on the path and that the violence we're likely to see will be less drink related and more related to poverty,drugs etc.

I think the presenter here is really humble and pure class.Can't believe he's not got an MSM job......well I can (probably not related to a high up at the BBC)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9UuBAN7848

 

16 hours ago, Chewing Grass said:

Spot on, my lads a copper and they have 4 to cover a town of 25,000 plus surrounding villages on lates / nights plus a few specials.

Yeah,it's starts getting chaotic when those 4 coppers are 6 to 10 miles apart at the edges of their patch.Very easy to draw those police out of the main population centres leaving them wide open.

16 hours ago, Hancock said:

Id imagine in early 1980s England that'd have been enough.

2020s Britain you'd need more than that for the worst pub in town.

I think our police leaders have badly tlet their troops down.making them enforce these insane Lockdown rules has alienated a chunk of the population,at the same time as they're diverting attention away from the real areas of concern for most people.

In the old days,they took people who were mentally tough or could handle themselves and taught them some law and sent them onto the streets.A lot of the old school coppers I speak to, are saying the newer recruits are mainly graduates with skils in being pc but somtimes lacking in the street smarts that keep you safe.These are great at enforcing mask rules on middle class ladies who lunch but less useful when it comes to controlling gangs attacking each other with machetes.

Once these gangs realise the cops can't control the streets we're going to be up poop creek sans paddle.

 

[sancho panza]

In the trade we call this .....off topic.but interesting to see how indestructible these kids think they are.

More interesting for our discussion is that at 3 mins 15 secs,they glide by two police officers on horseback who promptly ignore them,which really demonstrates the point.

Funnily enough,youtube hasn't demonetised theit channel.

 

Edited June 22, 2021 by sancho panza

[Hancock]

22 hours ago, sancho panza said:

In the trade we call this .....off topic.but interesting to see how indestructible these kids think they are.

More interesting for our discussion is that at 3 mins 15 secs,they glide by two police officers on horseback who promptly ignore them,which really demonstrates the point.

Funnily enough,youtube hasn't demonetised theit channel.

 

No doubt the copper went beyond what was necessary ... but it now means they've got to be ultra careful when dishing out their beatings.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9696177/Police-officer-GUILTY-manslaughter-Dalian-Atkinson.html

[sancho panza]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9725051/UK-health-chiefs-say-rates-myocarditis-higher-expected-amoung-young-adults.html

British health chiefs may soon reveal Covid vaccines made by Pfizer and Moderna are linked to an extremely rare form of heart damage already seen in the US and Israel

British health chiefs could soon issue a warning that Pfizer and Moderna's Covid jabs are linked to heart issues in extremely rare cases, experts believe. 

Fears about the two jabs causing myocarditis have grown in recent weeks, following a string of cases in young adults and children in Israel and the US.

American regulators have already accepted there is a 'likely link' between the heart condition and the vaccines, and will add warnings about the potential complication on information sheets given to the public.

Last week the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA), which polices the safety of drugs in the UK, said rates of myocarditis among vaccinated adults were 'similar or below' expected levels.

But last night, MailOnline can reveal the watchdog dropped all mention of how often the complication was occurring. Instead, it just updated its weekly summary to say cases were 'very rare' and 'typically mild'.

One cardiologist said he believed it the change in tone may signal that the body was going to accept a link between the two vaccines and myocarditis. 

Other experts warned it further complicated the debate about vaccinating children in Britain. 

With AstraZeneca's vaccine likely to be off the cards because of its rare links to blood clots in younger adults and similar fears about Johnson & Johnson's alternative jab, children could well be offered Pfizer and Moderna jabs.

When asked by MailOnline why the wording on the complication had changed, an MHRA spokesperson said: 'We are closely monitoring all reports of myocarditis and pericarditis following Covid vaccination in the UK and internationally. 

[leonardratso]

theres this guy as well;

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9728411/Rock-musician-48-died-brain-haemorrhage-two-weeks-AstraZeneca-vaccine.html

 

[Chewing Grass]

This was exactly the same play they made with bloods clots, 'very rare' and 'typically mild' turned out to be bollocks.

Unfortunately if you damage a young persons heart it is for life.

[Chewing Grass]

7 minutes ago, leonardratso said:

theres this guy as well;

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9728411/Rock-musician-48-died-brain-haemorrhage-two-weeks-AstraZeneca-vaccine.html

 

Here is the best bit, no compensation for your family if government policy kills you.

She is also calling for ministers to rework the Vaccine Damage Payment Scheme after learning that she will not receive compensation unless she can prove that Zion was '60% disabled' before he died.

However if you are left sitting pools of your own dribble & piss you may get £120K is some government prick is forced by a solicitor to admit you are 60% fucked up.

Edited June 26, 2021 by Chewing Grass

[sancho panza]

more from LS

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/mystery-of-four-ba-pilot-deaths-after-covid-vaccine/

SOCIAL media is alive with the story that four British Airways pilots died within a few weeks of each other, with the suggestion that Covid vaccine is involved. A photograph showing condolence books for four male pilots at BA’s headquarters that was circulated on Twitter fanned the flames. As did a voice recording, allegedly from the independent radio station English 909, with a man saying: ‘Things are getting crazy here. I don’t know if I told you but my friend who’s a BA pilot, has just told me that they’ve had the third BA pilot die in the last seven days. The first two were in their 40s and 50s and the third in his mid-thirties. Perfectly fit, no underlying conditions. Gets his second jab and he’s dead within days. Exactly the same as the first two . . .’

Our national airline issued a statement saying that the deaths were not connected. This has been presented by Reuters fact-checkers as a denial, but in fact BA refuse to say whether the pilots had received a Covid-19 vaccine on not.

Pilot deaths are rare, and it may well just be ‘bad luck’ or a ‘coincidence’, but according to a retired RAF pilot who was also an airline captain who flew for several independent British airlines: ‘Airline pilots are a very healthy bunch. I worked for a number of airlines, and I actually cannot recall a pilot dying of any illness before retirement. Four in a few weeks? Unheard of.

‘I am a retired pilot, not a medic, but common sense tells me that if there is a clotting problem with the [AstraZeneca or Johnson & Johnson/Janssen] vaccine then exposure to deep vein thrombosis [a known problem with long haul flying] might be relevant.’

Information about cause of death in the deceased pilots is sketchy. The first to die, on May 4, was Senior First Officer Grant Mercer, age unknown, a keen hockey player described on a crowd-fundraising page set up to pay for his funeral as: ‘An awesome friend who lived for his friends and loved ones. He was where the action was, anything fun or adrenaline-filled he would do and make sure everyone was involved too.’

As the picture of him holding a hockey stick shows, he was a fit man who loved sport. The page does not say how he died.

Pilot Edward Brice-Bennett, 33, died on June 2. His widow Kate is six months pregnant. They also have a daughter Illa, two, and had been married for four years.

An inquest in Salisbury heard how Mr Brice-Bennett was found unconscious beside his bicycle on a public bike trail in Tidworth, Wiltshire, at midday by a member of the public. Paramedics failed to revive him, and he was pronounced dead after 45 minutes.

The inquest was told that Mr Brice-Bennett had suffered internal bleeding, but no cause of death has been ascertained. Toxicology and histology tests were ordered and the inquest adjourned.

Father-of-two Nicholas Synnott, 60, died three weeks ago. He had spent a record 243 days in a Texas hospital battling Covid after being admitted in March last year. His death came six months after he had been discharged from intensive care to his home in Betchworth, Surrey. He punched the air as he left hospital with his wife Nicola, 54, who had spent every day by his bedside, and spoke of his joy at leaving.Their two children are Rebecca, 24, a charity worker, and George, 21, who is understood to be training to be a pilot like his father.

Mr Synnott’s cause of death has not been revealed but the speculation is that he died from complications caused by Covid-19. However, it is known that patients who have had Covid and then receive the vaccine can suffer from antibody dependent enhancement (ADE), which can make the disease worse if you then contract it.

On June 17 via Twitter, BA spokeswoman Helen said: ‘There is no truth whatsoever in the claims that the four deaths are linked.’ She did not say whether the pilots had been vaccinated.

Yesterday, British Airways said that they do not tell staff whether or not to get vaccinated. Asked three times to confirm or deny whether the dead pilots had had Covid vaccines, they declined to comment.

They did say that their colleagues had not all died within the last seven days, which is true, but they did not respond when sent the following request for further information about vaccination.

The request said: ‘We know that the AZ vax causes blood clots and thrombosis, we know that the Pfizer can cause heart problems. These side effects were not picked up during the trials and jabs will not have been tested on pilots or frequent flying passengers. Is the fact that four BA pilots died within a few weeks connected to the jab? We know that Air India have had 5 pilots die too.

‘There seems to be a pattern developing which needs to be investigated. If air travel can aggravate the recently vaccinated, it may only be a question of taking some time to allow the jab to settle. That way lives could be saved. If we cannot investigate this, many more pilots/passengers may die before a link is confirmed or ruled out. It is really important information.’

Both spokespersons from the pilots’ union, the British Airline Pilots Association (BALPA), Nancy Jackson and Brian Strutton, refused to comment as they said they consider the story to be fake news. They declined to say whether they had investigated.

According to lawyers, three BA captains and other airline crew contacted them back in February concerned that BA were pushing them to take an experimental jab. BALPA were disinterested in taking up their case and they felt stonewalled. The personnel sought legal advice but the result of their negotiations is unknown.

The airline regulator, the Civil Aviation Authority (CAA), have yet to respond.

The as yet unidentified voice in the radio recording says: ‘Because of  [the deaths] BA are now in crisis talks with the government about whether to allow vaccinated pilots to fly. The issue with that of course is that about 80 per cent, according to my friend in BA, 80-85 per cent have been injected. You might be down to 10 per cent of pilots able to fly. It’s a small number and a serious issue.’

BA deny that they’re in ‘crisis talks’ with the government and refer to a statement from the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency in which Dr Sarah Branch, the director of vigilance and risk management of medicines for the MHRA said: ‘There are currently no restrictions on aviation or other industries and activities post-vaccination. Our advice remains that the benefits of the vaccine outweigh the risks in the majority of people. It is still vitally important that people come forward for their vaccination and for their second dose when invited to do so. We ask anyone who suspects they have experienced a side effect linked with their Covid-19 vaccine to report it to the Coronavirus Yellow Card website.’

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[Hancock]

12 hours ago, Chewing Grass said:

Here is the best bit, no compensation for your family if government policy kills you.

She is also calling for ministers to rework the Vaccine Damage Payment Scheme after learning that she will not receive compensation unless she can prove that Zion was '60% disabled' before he died.

However if you are left sitting pools of your own dribble & piss you may get £120K is some government prick is forced by a solicitor to admit you are 60% fucked up.

In several years time, when it becomes clear thousands of people under 60 have died with weeks of having the vaccine there will be compensation ... but no prison sentences for those who came up with the policy .... though for good measure, they might bang up a couple of nurses who administered the vaccine!

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Interesting article by an NHS doctor on the misleading use of statistics in the NHS and with regard to Covid.  Originally from Lockdown Sceptics but now in ZH:

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/former-nhs-doc-exposes-six-impossible-british-covid-things-breakfast