UK Govt Coronavirus Response: Sceptics Thread

[Noallegiance]

8 hours ago, macca said:

https://www.rt.com/shows/renegade-inc/546035-max-haiven-book-revenge-capitalism/

This is capitalism.. Stop blaming socialists.. Its completely incorrect.. 

This is how capitalist system works, it consumes and destroys, it grows and it devours until it eats itself and we end back at slavery,, 

OVER 50% of all wealth is in the hands of 0.7% of the population.. How the fuck is that a good thing? Next year 60%,, 70%,, then FUCKED

Corporations buy up all the housing, food, supply chains,, a few billionaires can fuck us up with the wave of their hands,

Everything needs to be shared more equally, people trading with people Services run for the public good by government's

And for the love of GOD will people stop buying shit from amazon. That bald cunt is the devil, He pays less tax than me,, that's why everything is collapsing, Until we educate the electorate we are doomed! 

Dumb arse people.. I cant take anymore..

I cannot explain to you adequately how misguided you are.

The important thing to realise is that you cannot blame current results on a system that hasn't existed in over a century.

Also, please describe to me what you think capitalism is. I'm not convinced that you know.

Yes, the current situation sucks. But capitalism is not the cause. The left have convinced you it is so that they get handed more power. They then tie themselves into big corporations (fascism) to benefit them and government mutually. Surely the last two years has slapped you in the face with this paradigm?

Unless you think we're not drowning in socialist nonsense? If so, I can write nothing more. Pop your mask back on. There's a dangerous virus doing the rounds.

 

[Funn3r]

4 hours ago, Noallegiance said:

I cannot explain to you adequately how misguided you are.

The important thing to realise is that you cannot blame current results on a system that hasn't existed in over a century.

Also, please describe to me what you think capitalism is. I'm not convinced that you know.

Yes, the current situation sucks. But capitalism is not the cause. The left have convinced you it is so that they get handed more power. They then tie themselves into big corporations (fascism) to benefit them and government mutually. Surely the last two years has slapped you in the face with this paradigm?

Unless you think we're not drowning in socialist nonsense? If so, I can write nothing more. Pop your mask back on. There's a dangerous virus doing the rounds.

 

I don't know why we persist in all these -isms because to my mind they are obsolete, if they ever were even real things. Nobody agrees what they mean and you end up with the same crew of miscreants being labelled as marxists or fascists, depending on your point of view. 

Not helped by said miscreants hiding under a misleading banner; how were "National Socialists", socialists?

There are only tyrants, victimslaves, and spivs (moneymen who don't care so long as they make money off either/both sides.) 

[reformed nice guy]

1 hour ago, Funn3r said:

 

Not helped by said miscreants hiding under a misleading banner; how were "National Socialists", socialists?

 

They were socialists. Most of them came from a socialist background. The big split occurred at the start of the 20th century, particularly after ww1, because socialist had a boundary problem. The international socialists thought socialism could only work at world level while national socialists thought that it had to constructed within a known space - a nation.

Both had the same outcome - collectivisation under a vanguard leadership, the group above the individual, all taking place within your chosen boundary (world or nation). Both hated capitalism.

[Noallegiance]

And the folly of socialists is that they always believe that they can come along and control people 'better'. "I'm the good socialist! I can run your lives for you better than the last lot!"

Capitalism leaves people to their own devices. Yes, you can get fucked over by it, but there's the choice of not getting yourself in that situation in the first place and using the natural market to find other means.

In a socialist paradigm it's their way or nowt. Choice is steadily removed.

Hence the kind of leadership behaviours we're seeing worldwide now.

Out of being controlled or being free to choose my path with all it's potential pitfalls, I prefer the pitfalls I choose to the ones forced upon me.

I'll never understand the desire to be funnelled by statism rather than have zero shackles and reaping what one sows. It stunts all types of growth both individually and collectively. This has been understood for millenia.

[jm51]

Some animals, including humans, suit being domesticated. They live longer in captivity.

Some animals, including humans, prefer to be somewhat feral and accept the shorter lifespan as the price of freedom.

 

[Option5]

8 minutes ago, jm51 said:

Some animals, including humans, suit being domesticated. They live longer in captivity.

That's exactly what I tell the current Mrs O5 who is 35 years younger than me when she complains about the cable ties cutting into her wrists and ankles 

[Bobthebuilder]

1 hour ago, Option5 said:

That's exactly what I tell the current Mrs O5 who is 35 years younger than me when she complains about the cable ties cutting into her wrists and ankles 

Polly want a cracker?

[macca]

Can we have a Boris emoji.. so every time someone is telling a lie.. bang.. Boris emoji..

New study..  UK government most corrupt.. 

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/europe/britain/johnson-administration-the-most-corrupt-since-world-war-ii-expert-study-warns-41290461.html

[macca]

On 28/01/2022 at 19:53, Noallegiance said:

And the folly of socialists is that they always believe that they can come along and control people 'better'. "I'm the good socialist! I can run your lives for you better than the last lot!"

Capitalism leaves people to their own devices. Yes, you can get fucked over by it, but there's the choice of not getting yourself in that situation in the first place and using the natural market to find other means.

So do you prefer the socialist NHS from 20 years ago where no matter how sick you are they help you. 

Or the USA capitalist private healthcare system where if you get really ill they take everything you have, house, car,.. leave you homeless and destitute just because you became ill? 

Your assuming your never going to get sick..

You get cancer in America see how you like Capitalism.. then get sick in the UK and thank fuck a socialist NHS exists.. 

Social care paid by taxes

Capitalist Private care £1000 per week

Social housing £400 a month

Capitalist Private housing £1400 a month

 

Your living in la la land.  

 

The private sector is the reason we are going bankrupt.. its the £100s of billions they are costing every year thats bankrupting socialist systems that used to work. 

500% increase in privatisation of NHS in 12 years.. now 6 million people are on the waiting list.. 

Capitalist greed did that.. it kills people for profit.. 

 

 

[macca]

Your brainwashed by billionaires media to think this Capitalist system is good..

Where did you read socialist systems are bad? Daily mail? 

It's only good if your a tax dodging millionaire or billionaire.

The rest of us will be eaten by the system.

https://www.rt.com/shows/renegade-inc/545532-british-nhs-american-management/

[Chewing Grass]

3 minutes ago, macca said:

So do you prefer the socialist NHS from 20 years ago where no matter how sick you are they help you. 

Or the USA capitalist private healthcare system where if you get really ill they take everything you have, house, car,.. leave you homeless and destitute just because you became ill? 

Your assuming your never going to get sick..

You get cancer in America see how you like Capitalism.. then get sick in the UK and thank fuck a socialist NHS exists.. 

Social care paid by taxes

Capitalist Private care £1000 per week

Social housing £400 a month

Capitalist Private housing £1400 a month

 

Your living in la la land.  

 

The private sector is the reason we are going bankrupt.. its the £100s of billions they are costing every year thats bankrupting socialist systems that used to work. 

500% increase in privatisation of NHS in 12 years.. now 6 million people are on the waiting list.. 

Capitalist greed did that.. it kills people for profit.. 

 

 

For what its worth you can have my post of the week for that Macca.

[macca]

On 28/01/2022 at 19:53, Noallegiance said:

And the folly of socialists is that they always believe that they can come along and control people 'better'. "I'm the good socialist! I can run your lives for you better than the last lot!"

Capitalism leaves people to their own devices. Yes, you can get fucked over by it, but there's the choice of not getting yourself in that situation in the first place and using the natural market to find other means.

In a socialist paradigm it's their way or nowt. Choice is steadily removed.

Hence the kind of leadership behaviours we're seeing worldwide now.

Out of being controlled or being free to choose my path with all it's potential pitfalls, I prefer the pitfalls I choose to the ones forced upon me.

I'll never understand the desire to be funnelled by statism rather than have zero shackles and reaping what one sows. It stunts all types of growth both individually and collectively. This has been understood for millenia.

If you get hit by a car tommorow, have a stroke, get cancer.. your disabled, can't work and need care to help you recover, operations, housing, nurses, treatments, drugs.

Do you prefer socialist system or a Capitalism, Corperation run for profit system?

Which one do you think would be better? 

Everything you have said is based upon your current situation of being able to work. 

You will regret everything you have just said, along with the 8 people that liked it should any of you get sick in America. Proper fucked up evil system.

[BurntBread]

I'm seeing a lot of straw men running around on this thread, as well as some interesting debate that belongs elsewhere. @macca, could you start a new thread: this one isn't very appropriate for socialism versus capitalism (and even less so about what each of those means and whether they are opposites or even relevant any more)?

This thread has an economics take on current covid policies, and a lot of interesting points from people actually in the health-care sector. I'll say it quietly, but it's also the only CV19 thread that shows above the water-line, which I think is quite valuable, so long as it stays analytical & factual. It would be good if it keeps that character.

Sorry for trying to be a fake moderator!

[Noallegiance]

1 hour ago, macca said:

If you get hit by a car tommorow, have a stroke, get cancer.. your disabled, can't work and need care to help you recover, operations, housing, nurses, treatments, drugs.

Do you prefer socialist system or a Capitalism, Corperation run for profit system?

Which one do you think would be better? 

Everything you have said is based upon your current situation of being able to work. 

You will regret everything you have just said, along with the 8 people that liked it should any of you get sick in America. Proper fucked up evil system.

In all your posts you're still making the mistake of believing capitalism is at play, so rendering them pointless. You're irrelevant.

A state-run healthcare system can be a wonderful thing...if that's one of a very few things we give up part of our salary for.

But it's not. We're stolen from to cover the cost of failed centrally planned projects promised to people to gain votes to get into power. We're stolen from to keep the work-shy couch potato brigade where they are; bought off by politicians who know exactly how to get an easy vote.

If proper capitalism is greedy, then what the fuck is state-sponsored theft of other people's money you prick?

Socialism takes you for a mug. You're predictable.

Capitalism let's you make a mug or success of yourself. You decide.

You making out like capitalism is here is a standard argument of the blind socialist that wants more control. Socialism can't fix socialism.

Starting to wish you lot would fuck off to France or further afield if you like the nanny state so fucking much. I'm losing patience with the level of sustained fuckwittery.

Bunch of cunts.

Leave us alone.

Cunt.

[Hancock]

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news @sancho panza

But seems you're not going to get the tictac.

Mandatory Covid jabs for NHS and social care workers are set to be scrapped, The Telegraph can reveal, after warnings of crippling staff shortages if the plan went ahead.

Sajid Javid, the Health Secretary, will on Monday meet fellow ministers on the Covid-Operations Cabinet committee to rubber stamp the decision on the about-turn.

Multiple government sources said ministers are expected to end the requirement because the omicron Covid variant, now dominant in the UK, is milder than previous strains.

The move comes after warnings that almost 80,000 healthcare workers would be forced out of their jobs because they had declined to take two doses of a Covid vaccine.

The Royal College of Nursing, the Royal College of Midwives and the Royal College of GPs have all pushed for the requirement to be delayed, with warnings it would have a "catastrophic" impact.

The jab requirement for NHS workers was meant to come into force in April – making this Thursday, Feb 3, the last day on which staff could get their first jab in order to be fully vaccinated in time.

The legal requirement for care home staff to be fully vaccinated came into effect in November. An estimated 40,000 people lost their jobs over the policy. Under the new rules, they are expected to be able to return to work in the sector.

On Sunday night, care home representatives expressed fury at the handling of the issue, saying the flip-flopping had "devastated our workforce and brought providers to their knees".

The change of approach reflects Downing Street's increasing focus on how the UK must "learn to live with Covid" as the surge of omicron cases fades.

Stripping back restrictions and policy interventions adopted earlier in the pandemic will be welcomed by a group of lockdown-sceptic Tory MPs frustrated by Boris Johnson's approach.

Ahead of Monday's key meeting to sign off the policy change, a senior government source familiar with discussions outlined the argument for ending the requirement.

"Omicron has changed things. When we first introduced the policy, it was delta that was the dominant variant. That was very high risk in terms of how severe it was," the source said.

"For omicron, while it is more transmissible, all the studies have shown it is less severe. That has changed the conversation about whether mandatory jabs are still proportionate."

At a recent parliamentary committee appearance, Mr Javid signalled that he was open to a change in approach, saying the mandatory jabs policy was being kept "under review".

Changing the law to force scores of workers to get Covid jabs sparked controversy when The Telegraph revealed the plans last March. A legal expert at the time said that the only comparable UK laws dated from the 1800s, when newborns had to be given smallpox jabs.

Matt Hancock, then the health secretary, had championed the change, and Mr Johnson agreed. But Mr Javid has been more cautious about Covid interventions.

It is unclear when the policy change, once signed off, will be announced. It is expected to be made public before the Feb 3 cut-off for unvaccinated NHS workers to get jabbed.

NHS guidance to employers said all front line staff who had not been vaccinated should start being called into formal meetings from Feb 4 and warned that they faced dismissal.

Last week, the Health Secretary said around 77,000 NHS workers remain unvaccinated against the virus. Ministers are expected to point to the fact that tens of thousands of healthcare workers were vaccinated after the original policy was announced.

Responding to The Telegraph's revelation that plans for mandatory vaccines in both the NHS and social care sector will be scrapped, Nadra Ahmed OBE, who chairs the National Care Association, said: "This decision epitomises the lack of foresight by ministers in choosing to drive the implementation of this policy without producing impact assessment prior to taking it to the vote.

"Every parliamentarian who voted for it in social care needs to take responsibility for the loss of staff our sector have suffered because of an ill-thought out policy. Social care has been used as a pilot which has devastated our workforce and brought providers to their knees."

Mike Padgham, the chairman of the Independent Care Group for York and North Yorkshire and the owner of Saint Cecilia's Care Services, which operates four care businesses, said: "It feels like a bit of a slap in the face.

"I like to think that all those staff that lost their jobs would get them back again, because we need them. It's what we argued in the beginning – the vaccine was a good thing, but it shouldn't be mandatory.

"Common sense seems to have prevailed now, but there's been a lot of heartache and sleepless nights for people – unnecessarily – in the midst of a pandemic, when we all said at the beginning that this wasn't the right approach.

"This just shows that they don't understand the difference between the NHS and social care sectors and both need to be strong to support each other. "

It is understood that the Government is anticipating backlash from carers who lost their jobs as a result of the policy.

In October, the courts rejected an initial judicial review application that challenged the Government's vaccine mandate for workers in CQC-regulated care homes. However, it is now anticipated that if those who want their jobs back struggle to get them back, will seek legal action and a renewed application.

[sancho panza]

On 31/01/2022 at 01:30, Hancock said:

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news @sancho panza

But seems you're not going to get the tictac.

Mandatory Covid jabs for NHS and social care workers are set to be scrapped, The Telegraph can reveal, after warnings of crippling staff shortages if the plan went ahead.

Sajid Javid, the Health Secretary, will on Monday meet fellow ministers on the Covid-Operations Cabinet committee to rubber stamp the decision on the about-turn.

Multiple government sources said ministers are expected to end the requirement because the omicron Covid variant, now dominant in the UK, is milder than previous strains.

The move comes after warnings that almost 80,000 healthcare workers would be forced out of their jobs because they had declined to take two doses of a Covid vaccine.

The Royal College of Nursing, the Royal College of Midwives and the Royal College of GPs have all pushed for the requirement to be delayed, with warnings it would have a "catastrophic" impact.

The jab requirement for NHS workers was meant to come into force in April – making this Thursday, Feb 3, the last day on which staff could get their first jab in order to be fully vaccinated in time.

The legal requirement for care home staff to be fully vaccinated came into effect in November. An estimated 40,000 people lost their jobs over the policy. Under the new rules, they are expected to be able to return to work in the sector.

On Sunday night, care home representatives expressed fury at the handling of the issue, saying the flip-flopping had "devastated our workforce and brought providers to their knees".

The change of approach reflects Downing Street's increasing focus on how the UK must "learn to live with Covid" as the surge of omicron cases fades.

Stripping back restrictions and policy interventions adopted earlier in the pandemic will be welcomed by a group of lockdown-sceptic Tory MPs frustrated by Boris Johnson's approach.

Ahead of Monday's key meeting to sign off the policy change, a senior government source familiar with discussions outlined the argument for ending the requirement.

"Omicron has changed things. When we first introduced the policy, it was delta that was the dominant variant. That was very high risk in terms of how severe it was," the source said.

"For omicron, while it is more transmissible, all the studies have shown it is less severe. That has changed the conversation about whether mandatory jabs are still proportionate."

At a recent parliamentary committee appearance, Mr Javid signalled that he was open to a change in approach, saying the mandatory jabs policy was being kept "under review".

Changing the law to force scores of workers to get Covid jabs sparked controversy when The Telegraph revealed the plans last March. A legal expert at the time said that the only comparable UK laws dated from the 1800s, when newborns had to be given smallpox jabs.

Matt Hancock, then the health secretary, had championed the change, and Mr Johnson agreed. But Mr Javid has been more cautious about Covid interventions.

It is unclear when the policy change, once signed off, will be announced. It is expected to be made public before the Feb 3 cut-off for unvaccinated NHS workers to get jabbed.

NHS guidance to employers said all front line staff who had not been vaccinated should start being called into formal meetings from Feb 4 and warned that they faced dismissal.

Last week, the Health Secretary said around 77,000 NHS workers remain unvaccinated against the virus. Ministers are expected to point to the fact that tens of thousands of healthcare workers were vaccinated after the original policy was announced.

Responding to The Telegraph's revelation that plans for mandatory vaccines in both the NHS and social care sector will be scrapped, Nadra Ahmed OBE, who chairs the National Care Association, said: "This decision epitomises the lack of foresight by ministers in choosing to drive the implementation of this policy without producing impact assessment prior to taking it to the vote.

"Every parliamentarian who voted for it in social care needs to take responsibility for the loss of staff our sector have suffered because of an ill-thought out policy. Social care has been used as a pilot which has devastated our workforce and brought providers to their knees."

Mike Padgham, the chairman of the Independent Care Group for York and North Yorkshire and the owner of Saint Cecilia's Care Services, which operates four care businesses, said: "It feels like a bit of a slap in the face.

"I like to think that all those staff that lost their jobs would get them back again, because we need them. It's what we argued in the beginning – the vaccine was a good thing, but it shouldn't be mandatory.

"Common sense seems to have prevailed now, but there's been a lot of heartache and sleepless nights for people – unnecessarily – in the midst of a pandemic, when we all said at the beginning that this wasn't the right approach.

"This just shows that they don't understand the difference between the NHS and social care sectors and both need to be strong to support each other. "

It is understood that the Government is anticipating backlash from carers who lost their jobs as a result of the policy.

In October, the courts rejected an initial judicial review application that challenged the Government's vaccine mandate for workers in CQC-regulated care homes. However, it is now anticipated that if those who want their jobs back struggle to get them back, will seek legal action and a renewed application.

Good news as the public gets saved from having me as a plumber.

In other news,Matt le Tissier gives probably one of the best interviews on Coivd/Lockdowns/Vaccines that I've seen.40 mins.Worth every one

https://www.oraclefilms.com/mattletissier

[Harley]

2 hours ago, sancho panza said:

Good news as the public gets saved from having me as a plumber.

In other news,Matt le Tissier gives probably one of the best interviews on Coivd/Lockdowns/Vaccines that I've seen.40 mins.Worth every one

https://www.oraclefilms.com/mattletissier

A good one (podcast) on Delingpole too, or maybe the same.

https://delingpole.podbean.com/e/matt-le-tissier/

I'm warming to the posh git!  He seems to leave his interviewees happy they had a chat.  He crafts his interviews like he does his written stuff.  Joe Rogan does something similar 

Edited February 2, 2022 by Harley

[Hancock]

4 hours ago, sancho panza said:

Good news as the public gets saved from having me as a plumber.

In other news,Matt le Tissier gives probably one of the best interviews on Coivd/Lockdowns/Vaccines that I've seen.40 mins.Worth every one

https://www.oraclefilms.com/mattletissier

I used to fucken hate Mathew Le Tissier, i went to SOTON V NUFC many times when he was playing, and every time he would either score a last minute goal, or goals of the season ... i dont think i ever saw NUFC win there despite playing them off the park and it was solely down to him.

I think he might have just earned a pardon from me!

 

[wherebee]

On 31/01/2022 at 04:25, macca said:

So do you prefer the socialist NHS from 20 years ago where no matter how sick you are they help you. 

Or the USA capitalist private healthcare system where if you get really ill they take everything you have, house, car,.. leave you homeless and destitute just because you became ill? 

Your assuming your never going to get sick..

You get cancer in America see how you like Capitalism.. then get sick in the UK and thank fuck a socialist NHS exists.. 

Social care paid by taxes

Capitalist Private care £1000 per week

Social housing £400 a month

Capitalist Private housing £1400 a month

 

Your living in la la land.  

 

The private sector is the reason we are going bankrupt.. its the £100s of billions they are costing every year thats bankrupting socialist systems that used to work. 

500% increase in privatisation of NHS in 12 years.. now 6 million people are on the waiting list.. 

Capitalist greed did that.. it kills people for profit.. 

 

 

I'm familiar with many health systems, having lived in many countries. 

 

The best was HK.  Free healthcare for all, but basic.  No tit or sex change surgery.  But you break a leg - excellent.  You have to bring your own sheets and blankets to keep costs down in many areas (such as maternity).  Again, excellent.  You get basic food, but your family can (and do!) bring in any food they want.  The doctors will also, at GP level, call you an unhealthy fat bastard who needs to lose weight.  Excellent focus on overall health.  I never heard of anyone with cancer gong short on treatment as a result.  Willingness to look at non-western medicines as well.

On top of that, you CAN have health insurance which gets you private rooms and all the extra shit that western freaks want.  

Oh, and non-citizens and tourists get the basic help, but nothing extra - certainly not expensive stuff like HIV cures - without health insurance.  They'll deport you first.

Basically, what the NHS should be.  Focus on treated people with a whole of life health approach.  Non-citizens can fuck off.  You want something non-essential, fine, but you pay.

[macca]

Government used fear to control our Behaviour admit scientists

 

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/music/use-of-fear-to-control-behaviour-in-covid-pandemic-was-totalitarian-admit-scientists/ar-BB1gKceh

[sancho panza]

https://www.eugyppius.com/p/german-public-health-insurer-vaccine?utm_source=url

German Public Health Insurer: Vaccine Side Effects Maybe 8 to 10 Times More Frequent Than Officially Reported

eugyppius 15 hr ago

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147

 

German publicly regulated health insurers, the Betriebskrankenkassen, report substantially higher vaccine adverse effects than the Paul-Ehrlich-Institut, our vaccine regulatory body.

Andreas Schöfbeck, board member of BKK ProVita, one of these insurers, told Welt in the linked article that “The figures we have found are substantial and demand urgent verification.”

Basically, BKK ProVita noticed anomalous diagnoses indicating adverse vaccine side effects, particularly surrounding these codes: T88.0: Infection or sepsis after vaccination; T88.1: Other complications or skin rash following vaccination; Y59.9: Complications due to vaccines or biologically active substances; and U12.9: Undesirable side effects from Covid-19 vaccines.

Meanwhile, the official PEI reports figures almost one magnitude lower.

Percent of insured with vaccine side-effects. Yellow: All BKK-insured side-effects. Red: BKK ProVita insured side-effects. Grey: Side effects publicly acknowledged by PEI.

Schöfbeck says that probably there have been 400,000 clinical consultations by BKK insured alone due to vaccine complications. “Extrapolated to the total [German] population, the number would be three million.”

UPDATE: The data represents 10,937,716 German insured, over 13% of the country. The data comprises the first six months of 2021, and about half of the billing records for the third quarter of 2021. This is an extremely partial picture of the vaccine side effects, excluding much of the booster campaign here.

 

[Noallegiance]

On 28/01/2022 at 03:57, macca said:

https://www.rt.com/shows/renegade-inc/546035-max-haiven-book-revenge-capitalism/

This is capitalism.. Stop blaming socialists.. Its completely incorrect.. 

This is how capitalist system works, it consumes and destroys, it grows and it devours until it eats itself and we end back at slavery,, 

OVER 50% of all wealth is in the hands of 0.7% of the population.. How the fuck is that a good thing? Next year 60%,, 70%,, then FUCKED

Corporations buy up all the housing, food, supply chains,, a few billionaires can fuck us up with the wave of their hands,

Everything needs to be shared more equally, people trading with people Services run for the public good by government's

And for the love of GOD will people stop buying shit from amazon. That bald cunt is the devil, He pays less tax than me,, that's why everything is collapsing, Until we educate the electorate we are doomed! 

Dumb arse people.. I cant take anymore..

You're blaming this on a system that hasn't been in existence for over 100 years?

Part of capitalism is to destroy the shit with recessions and get rid of the dead wood. This hasn't been allowed. Socialists did that. They interfered, as they do.

The entire economic system as it exists today would not exist if capitalism was allowed to work.

The electorate haven't been educated. They've been indoctrinated. In capitalism, work and investment in work actually pays.

If we call capitalism dry and socialism wet you're blaming the dryness for you currently being sopping fucking wet.

The real comedy is you want more of that which caused the fucking problems.

Dumb arse socialists. You're fucking shit up for everyone and blaming everything but yourself.

 

Read some God-damned history you clueless fuck. You're dragging us all down.

 

[Harley]

On 24/02/2022 at 11:53, sancho panza said:

https://www.eugyppius.com/p/german-public-health-insurer-vaccine?utm_source=url

German Public Health Insurer: Vaccine Side Effects Maybe 8 to 10 Times More Frequent Than Officially Reported

eugyppius 15 hr ago

314

147

 

German publicly regulated health insurers, the Betriebskrankenkassen, report substantially higher vaccine adverse effects than the Paul-Ehrlich-Institut, our vaccine regulatory body.

Andreas Schöfbeck, board member of BKK ProVita, one of these insurers, told Welt in the linked article that “The figures we have found are substantial and demand urgent verification.”

Basically, BKK ProVita noticed anomalous diagnoses indicating adverse vaccine side effects, particularly surrounding these codes: T88.0: Infection or sepsis after vaccination; T88.1: Other complications or skin rash following vaccination; Y59.9: Complications due to vaccines or biologically active substances; and U12.9: Undesirable side effects from Covid-19 vaccines.

Meanwhile, the official PEI reports figures almost one magnitude lower.

Percent of insured with vaccine side-effects. Yellow: All BKK-insured side-effects. Red: BKK ProVita insured side-effects. Grey: Side effects publicly acknowledged by PEI.

Schöfbeck says that probably there have been 400,000 clinical consultations by BKK insured alone due to vaccine complications. “Extrapolated to the total [German] population, the number would be three million.”

UPDATE: The data represents 10,937,716 German insured, over 13% of the country. The data comprises the first six months of 2021, and about half of the billing records for the third quarter of 2021. This is an extremely partial picture of the vaccine side effects, excluding much of the booster campaign here.

 

Update:  I think it was him, he just got the sack!

[macca]

On 28/01/2022 at 12:03, Noallegiance said:

I cannot explain to you adequately how misguided you are.

The important thing to realise is that you cannot blame current results on a system that hasn't existed in over a century.

Also, please describe to me what you think capitalism is. I'm not convinced that you know.

Yes, the current situation sucks. But capitalism is not the cause. The left have convinced you it is so that they get handed more power. They then tie themselves into big corporations (fascism) to benefit them and government mutually. Surely the last two years has slapped you in the face with this paradigm?

Unless you think we're not drowning in socialist nonsense? If so, I can write nothing more. Pop your mask back on. There's a dangerous virus doing the rounds.

 

Mask,,

Crony Capitalism, neo feudalism, Surfdom,, I really don't care what we call it.. 

All i know is all that was great, adult social care, NHS, mental hospitals rehabilitation,, has been destroyed by our politicians for private companies to make profits and destroy lives.. Anything that helps everyone in every walk of life was what made this country great,, 

46 million people in the USA could die because they cant afford Healthcare, If you think that left wing, right wing,, whatever complete shit you want to side with.. 

There is only right and wrong.. parties, political lines.. 

Its just evil fucking rich people trying to kill working people for money and power. 

Same problem all over the world

[Loki]

15 minutes ago, macca said:

Mask,,

Crony Capitalism, neo feudalism, Surfdom,, I really don't care what we call it.. 

All i know is all that was great, adult social care, NHS, mental hospitals rehabilitation,, has been destroyed by our politicians for private companies to make profits and destroy lives.. Anything that helps everyone in every walk of life was what made this country great,, 

46 million people in the USA could die because they cant afford Healthcare, If you think that left wing, right wing,, whatever complete shit you want to side with.. 

There is only right and wrong.. parties, political lines.. 

Its just evil fucking rich people trying to kill working people for money and power. 

Same problem all over the world

But that's what people have been saying to you   We don't have classical capitalism (Which is simply a price discovery mechanism) Henry Ford knew he had to pay his workers enough for them to buy his cars

I agree with the above completely! We have corporate techno-fascism, or something