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UK Govt Coronavirus Response: Sceptics Thread


sancho panza

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2 hours ago, Chewing Grass said:

Like us Van Tam can interpret UKHSA data for himself and probably gets the real stuff.

Its Whitty who is being set up and left holding the baby as the recognisable public face and ginger poster boy.

At some point constantly pushing vaxes and covid scare stories is going to kill what's left of Newspaper sales and won't drive web traffic to your online platform.

The next big earner will be stories about them not working and the real and consequential damage they have done.

We are talking societal change and governmental upheaval when the truth comes out.

I've gone through your psot CG and put in bold the bits that are bang on the money.

This is about to get very real for some of the players.If you watch teh full Unherd video,you'll watch the point where Dr Steve diplomatically talks about the 3 relatively younger patients he saw, that literally died of the vaccine.He also talks a lot about risk profiles and reveals in polite consultant speak that there is indeed a very different risk/reward for a fit/slender 18 year old and an obese/unfit 85 year old.

For me,this is real 'first hole in the dam' stuff.You can listen to people like me talk about what we've seen that's put us off the jab,but Dr Steve has a much more nuanced understanding of the risk/reward than I have.I hope many other Dr's who are not getting jabbed follow his example.

As for Whitty,I think you're right,he's getting set up.The stories of adverse vaccine events will start flowing soon enough and I think the govts role will face damning critiscism in retrospect.

FInally some links for what may come.It's almost as if the big papers were reading youCG,all within the last two days

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/jan/13/2021-was-worst-year-on-record-for-online-child-sex-abuse-says-iwf

2021 was worst year on record for online child sexual abuse, says IWF

Watchdog says younger children were targeted by online predators on an industrial scale during lockdowns

 

 

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/suicides-rise-among-young-trapped-in-lockdown-abuse-kjx33pjrl

Suicides rise among young trapped in lockdown abuse

 

 

https://www.nationalhealthexecutive.com/articles/pandemic-childrens-mental-health

With one in six children likely to suffer from mental health problems according to The Children’s Society, children and young people of school age are one of the worst affected groups left suffering in the wake of the pandemic.

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Unvaccinated people who have caught Covid have higher immunity than triple jabbed!

People who are triple jabbed who have caught Covid gained zero increased protection from vaccination. 

Catching Covid gives the best protection! 

Government Data

 

https://youtu.be/25-iJKPA1CA

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CDC Link between vaccination and heart inflammation..

Maybe the data the government's are supressing might now come out.

 

1200 cases is far to low.. I know 1 person that had chest pains after vaccine, 1 had a heart attack and another in a wheelchair.

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/23/cdc-reports-more-than-1200-cases-of-rare-heart-inflammation-after-covid-vaccine-shots.html

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FOI request for amount of deaths solely of covid with nothing lese on death certificate circa 17,371

2020 average age of death 81.5 years

2021 average age of death 82.5 years

average life expectancy 2018-2020=79 year for men 82.9 for women

average drop in life expectancy between 2019 and 2020 was 7 weeks...................

 

Excess deaths from cancer from Karol Sikora,estimates an extra 50,000 deaths from cancer over last 18 months.

 

 

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Dr Steve James talks about the elephant in the room,vaccine side effects.They're the reason I'm not having the Jab.

What concerns me most is that the MSM on the whole aren't asking why so many frontline clincians would rather take their chances with covid than the shot......

 

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2 hours ago, sancho panza said:

 

500% increase in NHS privatisation under Tories, all new money from the tax increase to goto the private sector.

In the modern era..

Record high spending UK debt now 2.35trillion

Record high taxes

Record high stabbings

Record high rape

Record high none EU immigration  2019

Record high food banks use

Record high poverty 

Record high mental health problems 

Record low numbers of crimes being solved

Rivers, sea full of shit for private profits as privatised water companies offshore 35billion to tax havens and rack up 24 billion in debt.

Record high NHS waiting lists, 5 million before covid 6 million now.

Record high numbers of millionaire's and billionaires! 

Tories should be hunted down. They are mass murdering satanic evil! They work for the billionaires and will kill us all for power and money!

The problem is not the Tories, its the thick voters.

Please Mr Tory, kill me next.. we love you.. 

 

 

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16 minutes ago, sancho panza said:

Well making people wear badges because of their beliefs worked out so well last time.....

 

What a thick bunch of cunts.  This is the human race,  voting to wipe ourselves out.. 

People have lost the ability to think for themselves, they just repeat the shit they see on the TV like a bunch of parrots.. 

Those un vaxxed are dangerous! they need a good slap.

If doctors won't take it.. think! Why.. why would covid ward doctors not take it? 

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3 hours ago, macca said:

500% increase in NHS privatisation under Tories, all new money from the tax increase to goto the private sector.

In the modern era..

Record high spending UK debt now 2.35trillion

Record high taxes

Record high stabbings

Record high rape

Record high none EU immigration  2019

Record high food banks use

Record high poverty 

Record high mental health problems 

Record low numbers of crimes being solved

Rivers, sea full of shit for private profits as privatised water companies offshore 35billion to tax havens and rack up 24 billion in debt.

Record high NHS waiting lists, 5 million before covid 6 million now.

Record high numbers of millionaire's and billionaires! 

Tories should be hunted down. They are mass murdering satanic evil! They work for the billionaires and will kill us all for power and money!

The problem is not the Tories, its the thick voters.

Please Mr Tory, kill me next.. we love you.. 

 

 

Have you noticed the irony that they're Socialist Tories, though?

This government has nothing conservative about it's actions.

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3 hours ago, Noallegiance said:

Have you noticed the irony that they're Socialist Tories, though?

This government has nothing conservative about it's actions.

I thought Socialism was about creating debt and giving it to the poor to make their lives better?

This is socialism for the rich, 1.7 trillion printed and given to the rich.. Whilst slashing adult social care, benefits, wages, youth clubs, rehabilitation services, social housing, hospitals, schools,,  etc and driving the working poor into poverty!

So this is nothing like a Corbyn socialism of cheaper government controlled, water, gas, electric, transportation, housing, higher benefits and living standards whilst going after the rich to pay for it.

This is tax rises, theft and total destruction of the system to feed the rich. They will bankrupt the country to do so!

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3 minutes ago, macca said:

I thought Socialism was about creating debt and giving it to the poor to make their lives better?

This is socialism for the rich, 1.7 trillion printed and given to the rich.. Whilst slashing adult social care, benefits, wages, youth clubs, rehabilitation services, social housing, hospitals, schools,,  etc and driving the working poor into poverty!

So this is nothing like a Corbyn socialism of cheaper government controlled, water, gas, electric, transportation, housing, higher benefits and living standards whilst going after the rich to pay for it.

This is tax rises, theft and total destruction of the system to feed the rich. They will bankrupt the country to do so!

I think you're a touch confused.

Who do you think sits at the top of the socialist tree, and how did they get there?

The socialism sold to the plebs is to convince them they're lives will be better, whilst simultaneously syphoning wealth FROM the plebs to the socialist nut case overlords at the top.

This is the trouble with socialists. If they knew what it was they wouldn't support it.

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24 minutes ago, Noallegiance said:

I think you're a touch confused.

Who do you think sits at the top of the socialist tree, and how did they get there?

The socialism sold to the plebs is to convince them they're lives will be better, whilst simultaneously syphoning wealth FROM the plebs to the socialist nut case overlords at the top.

This is the trouble with socialists. If they knew what it was they wouldn't support it.

12 years of the Conservative party has been going very well.. (for the rich)

Thatcher privatising all our services to criminals, Water companies 24 billion in debt whilst offshoring 35 billion to tax havens, Privatisation is just organised crime.

When social housing was created, everyone had a cheap affordable home and 1 adult worked, the other looked after the kids, now 2 people work just to pay a slum salve landlord.

When the Social NHS was created it was clean, well run and free.. Now with 500% increase in privatisation PFI contracts.. etc people die in corridors because it no longer functions,, in America 45 million people cant afford proper healthcare and could die if they get sick

Socialism is a good thing for everyone if free from corruption and greed.. Humans are just CUNTS now. More than ever

I will most likely vote Lib dem next election,, Im no SIR Starma fan.. You get knighted for services to corruption these days.

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36 minutes ago, macca said:

12 years of the Conservative party has been going very well.. (for the rich)

Thatcher privatising all our services to criminals, Water companies 24 billion in debt whilst offshoring 35 billion to tax havens, Privatisation is just organised crime.

When social housing was created, everyone had a cheap affordable home and 1 adult worked, the other looked after the kids, now 2 people work just to pay a slum salve landlord.

When the Social NHS was created it was clean, well run and free.. Now with 500% increase in privatisation PFI contracts.. etc people die in corridors because it no longer functions,, in America 45 million people cant afford proper healthcare and could die if they get sick

Socialism is a good thing for everyone if free from corruption and greed.. Humans are just CUNTS now. More than ever

I will most likely vote Lib dem next election,, Im no SIR Starma fan.. You get knighted for services to corruption these days.

As usual, the seemingly beautiful creations of socialist ideals like healthcare free at point of use and cheap housing built for people is that these programmes are always unfunded, thus ushering in payment from the masses via tax for decades or even centuries afterward.

Pretty sure humans as a whole existed mostly as one worker and one home maker for centuries. The Labour Party didn't invent it.

Socialists are full of great ideas without a thought as to how they'll be paid for. It gets them in power, though.

Once these policies begin it's impossible to withdraw them. See QE. People get used to handouts. Politicians since WWII have been stymied by promises of free stuff in return for votes.

The idea of a person relying on themselves is novel these days.

Privatisation isn't organised crime. Big government is. The private sector creates the wealth and innovation. Government steals it. What products does big government create? None. They simply pass laws to rob person A of their Labour and give it to person B whilst taking their cut.

Show me any ism that is untouched by greed and I'll show you a system not created by humans. We haven't had capitalism for over 100 years. At least it gave a man more control of his destiny. That's why it didn't last very long.

It never ceases to amaze me how many people are willing to give up control of their own life to someone who doesn't know them, believing that a group of people sat round a table can make decisions for 65m people. It's nonsense. We've just seen two years of it for almost no reason. It seems worryingly easy to shape a mind with a bit of simple trickery. Trickery that is well documented as having failed repeatedly through history.

NB I was born from a conservative house, have grown to be a libertarian man, and I have nobody to vote for. There is no representation that gives a man his life to do as he pleases. Apparently we should all be frightened of each other and readily accept chicks with dicks or be forced to consider everybody else's minor problems as our own societal major ones instead.

Horrid self-indulgent society without ownership or focus.

Perhaps we need a nasty downturn to sharpen the minds. A lot of these so-called social 'issues' would miraculously disappear and be replaced by industriousness and resourcefulness. Because, when unconstrained by central planning authority, humans really are quite amazing creatures. Both individually and collectively.

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5 hours ago, Noallegiance said:

Have you noticed the irony that they're Socialist Tories, though?

This government has nothing conservative about it's actions.

Neither did Thatchers Tories (i apologise as i know you didnt say they were any different and i'm ranting like Macca now), all they done was spend oil money to put people on the dole, sell the nations assets namely housing and the utilities at fire sale prices .... and get involved in a needless war over the Falklands ... current lot have to borrow money as 70s/80s/90s socialist Tories wasted all that vast wealth and the UK's share of the easy money on enriching useless unproductive cunts, at the expense of the productive.

Current bunch of totalitarian communists Tories have just ratcheted it up a few more levels, as the only way they can keep her and Reagans shit show going is to print and borrow money.

Maybe in the Victorian era we had something vaguely akin to capitalism, though i've no doubt any working man alive then would laugh at such a comment. But British so called capitalism has always been aligned with laws, rules and regulations designed to suppress the plebs to the benefit of the parasitic classes. 

See corn laws, and post WW2 development land laws.

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The cheap housing meant Councils don't have to pay landlords £1500 a month, that's what's partly bankrupting councils along with final salary pensions and 50% funding cuts by the CUNTING Tories,, When social housing was for life the cost of maintaining it was 1000x cheaper than funding a landlord. The CUNTING Tories banned councils from building social housing on their own land, so they had to sell it to developers who build shoddy slave boxes that will fall down or catch fire soon enough.

Free Healthcare is not free, we pay for it through our taxes,, it worked perfectly until little by little the private sharks attacked and bled it dry..500% increase in privatisation, PFI contracts that mean a hospital will cost about 5 billion by the time its over. Pencils that cost £10 and CUNTING Tories friends getting £30million bonuses for 1 days work finding some shoddy unusable PPE

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3 hours ago, Noallegiance said:

Privatisation isn't organised crime. Big government is. The private sector creates the wealth and innovation. Government steals it. What products does big government create? None. They simply pass laws to rob person A of their Labour and give it to person B whilst taking their cut.

Have you heard of Private equity? The Philip Green model

They buy a company (BHS), sell all the buildings, assets, steal the pensions, load it with debt, offshore the stolen money then run like fuck as it collapses.

This is the western model. 

What part of this is not crime?

IN the USA private healthcare puts 45 million people at the risk of death,, If they cant afford to pay they die. You can lose your house, car, job and life because of medical bills,, IN the UK its free.. they look after you. You really want to vote Tory and risk that?

Are you really saying its okay to kill people for profit?

The Healthcare, housing, utilities ran in a socialist way for decades.. its been destroyed by the winner takes all crime ring that we currently run where 50% of all wealth is owned by 0.7% of the population, 

Bill Gates is USA's biggest farm land owner as food yields drop 20%, in India the government tried to push farmers land to corporate hands, leading to a year of protests and suicides by farmers.

Are you sticking up for a few billionaires controlling your food, your life.. having 50% of all wealth from corrupt gangster system means they own the government and we are their slaves . 

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5 hours ago, macca said:

Have you heard of Private equity? The Philip Green model

They buy a company (BHS), sell all the buildings, assets, steal the pensions, load it with debt, offshore the stolen money then run like fuck as it collapses.

This is the western model. 

What part of this is not crime?

IN the USA private healthcare puts 45 million people at the risk of death,, If they cant afford to pay they die. You can lose your house, car, job and life because of medical bills,, IN the UK its free.. they look after you. You really want to vote Tory and risk that?

Are you really saying its okay to kill people for profit?

The Healthcare, housing, utilities ran in a socialist way for decades.. its been destroyed by the winner takes all crime ring that we currently run where 50% of all wealth is owned by 0.7% of the population, 

Bill Gates is USA's biggest farm land owner as food yields drop 20%, in India the government tried to push farmers land to corporate hands, leading to a year of protests and suicides by farmers.

Are you sticking up for a few billionaires controlling your food, your life.. having 50% of all wealth from corrupt gangster system means they own the government and we are their slaves . 

All of this is what has flourished under socialism.

But the socialists blame capitalism then demand more of the same problem to fix it.

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15 hours ago, Noallegiance said:

All of this is what has flourished under socialism.

But the socialists blame capitalism then demand more of the same problem to fix it.

No its what's flourishing under corruption..

During WW1 AND WW2 they shot people caught profiting from war.

Now profiting from misery and suffering is the law.. 

You think Corbyn socialism was about allowing corruption and theft? 

It was stopping corruption and theft, making the corrupt pay to improve our lives.

We are heading to becoming America.. mass poverty, tent cities and people unable to afford medical care or food. 

Because people keep voting for Evil.. 

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19 hours ago, Noallegiance said:

All of this is what has flourished under socialism.

But the socialists blame capitalism then demand more of the same problem to fix it.

https://www.rt.com/shows/renegade-inc/546035-max-haiven-book-revenge-capitalism/

This is capitalism.. Stop blaming socialists.. Its completely incorrect.. 

This is how capitalist system works, it consumes and destroys, it grows and it devours until it eats itself and we end back at slavery,, 

OVER 50% of all wealth is in the hands of 0.7% of the population.. How the fuck is that a good thing? Next year 60%,, 70%,, then FUCKED

Corporations buy up all the housing, food, supply chains,, a few billionaires can fuck us up with the wave of their hands,

Everything needs to be shared more equally, people trading with people Services run for the public good by government's

And for the love of GOD will people stop buying shit from amazon. That bald cunt is the devil, He pays less tax than me,, that's why everything is collapsing, Until we educate the electorate we are doomed! 

Dumb arse people.. I cant take anymore..

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5 hours ago, macca said:

https://www.rt.com/shows/renegade-inc/546035-max-haiven-book-revenge-capitalism/

This is capitalism.. Stop blaming socialists.. Its completely incorrect.. 

This is how capitalist system works, it consumes and destroys, it grows and it devours until it eats itself and we end back at slavery,, 

OVER 50% of all wealth is in the hands of 0.7% of the population.. How the fuck is that a good thing? Next year 60%,, 70%,, then FUCKED

Corporations buy up all the housing, food, supply chains,, a few billionaires can fuck us up with the wave of their hands,

Everything needs to be shared more equally, people trading with people Services run for the public good by government's

And for the love of GOD will people stop buying shit from amazon. That bald cunt is the devil, He pays less tax than me,, that's why everything is collapsing, Until we educate the electorate we are doomed! 

Dumb arse people.. I cant take anymore..

That's crony capitalism, the same as some animals being more equal than others

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