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Pandemic coming? - Coronavirus April onwards 2020 (Part 3)


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15 minutes ago, Libspero said:

Bats do seem to be particularly bad for it, can’t disagree with that.  

 

Selective list..  but yes, those examples originated in Asia.  There are others that didn’t.

My point is that it is almost inevitable that something else will come along eventually.  Blaming China won’t stop that,  even if it might delay the next outbreak by a few years.  

They lied about SARS, they lied about this one.

No more lies, no more chances. fuck them.

 

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18 minutes ago, Libspero said:

Bats do seem to be particularly bad for it, can’t disagree with that.  

 

Selective list..  but yes, those examples originated in Asia.  There are others that didn’t.

My point is that it is almost inevitable that something else will come along eventually.  Blaming China won’t stop that,  even if it might delay the next outbreak by a few years.  

Yes, but if a disease like this starts somewhere like, say, Ireland, we will get much faster data on:

  • how deadly it is
  • what the r0 is
  • what treatments help
  • who is vulnerable

and be able to react accordingly.  Every time one of these comes out of a lying shithole like that controlled by the CCP, we lose 2-3 months whilst it really beds into the infection routes.

additionally, if it comes out of China we see efforts by them to:

  • increase spread outside China (see the criticism of countries like Australia when we stopped travel...called us RACIST.  fuckers)
  • steal medical resources (again, evidence of this being done in Australia in Jan.  FACT)
  • threaten the world over medical supplies (see the threats against the USA in Jan/Feb to stop supplying medicine)

Blaming china is right.  Blaming china is necessary.  

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8 hours ago, ste 🏅 said:

Trump just finished a mammoth press conference, over 2 hours long. This isn't over by a long shot. 

Think there is going to be some solid fallout for China off the back of this. 

Have tuned in periodically to the Trump TV special running nightly.  Only watched first couple of minutes yesterday.  Even though he is tried and sometimes looks worn out he is definitely in his element up there and probably much more effective than other politicians in putting on a show/ saying the right thing/ managing expectations. 

Still can't believe the amount of time he stands up there 1-2 hours now?  Also notice the distinct lack of masks anywhere... Obviously nobody allowed yet to use as may send the wrong message (or not until they have enough supply for everyone?)

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7 minutes ago, wherebee said:

Yes, but if a disease like this starts somewhere like, say, Ireland, we will get much faster data on:

  • how deadly it is
  • what the r0 is
  • what treatments help
  • who is vulnerable

and be able to react accordingly.  Every time one of these comes out of a lying shithole like that controlled by the CCP, we lose 2-3 months whilst it really beds into the infection routes.

additionally, if it comes out of China we see efforts by them to:

  • increase spread outside China (see the criticism of countries like Australia when we stopped travel...called us RACIST.  fuckers)
  • steal medical resources (again, evidence of this being done in Australia in Jan.  FACT)
  • threaten the world over medical supplies (see the threats against the USA in Jan/Feb to stop supplying medicine)

Blaming china is right.  Blaming china is necessary.  

Co-opted and bought out the shysters at the World Death Organisation to get them to lie for them.

Threatened  number of countries with the racist brush to ensure spread.

Wuhan lab - what did they do with that and destruction of evidence trail once the milady took over control of the area.

The Chinese pop not exactly clean as snow either - quite happy to tow the CCP line when it is good for them, greater China and all that.

Cover companies used to procure tons and tons of med supplies across the world before the ballon went up, individuals got the not too and they were doing the same individually.

The is not the end of the list either.

 

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7 minutes ago, wherebee said:

Yes, but if a disease like this starts somewhere like, say, Ireland, we will get much faster data on:

  • how deadly it is
  • what the r0 is
  • what treatments help
  • who is vulnerable

You might be right..  but why do you think we would be so much quicker to detect it ?

We don't even know how many people have Covid 19,  probably by at least a factor of 10.   The reason it spread so widely in China was because people were mis-diagnosed with flu or pneumonia.  That could just as easily happen here..   especially a disease like this where half the people are asymptomatic and most of the ones dying are normally vulnerable to such things anyway.     I think the Chinese just presumed it was ordinary "old people" deaths from common causes..  until it spread so widely that people started looking a little more closely.

In a way it could be lucky it started in a country like China with a large population and lower social mobility.   If it had started in Ireland,  it probably would have spread internationally before people even realised there was an outbreak of something.  At least with China we all got a bit of advanced warning !

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15 minutes ago, wherebee said:

additionally, if it comes out of China we see efforts by them to:

  • increase spread outside China (see the criticism of countries like Australia when we stopped travel...called us RACIST.  fuckers)
  • steal medical resources (again, evidence of this being done in Australia in Jan.  FACT)
  • threaten the world over medical supplies (see the threats against the USA in Jan/Feb to stop supplying medicine)

We threatened to stop exporting toilet paper if we had problems keeping the UK stocked.

I'm not why China wouldn't put their own citizens first for medical supplies.   Imagine if we had people dying here and the government sold all of our new respirator production to America.

Why do you think we are making respirators here..  no-one else is going to sell them to us,  they are all panicking for themselves.

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5 minutes ago, M S E Refugee said:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-01726-1

The WHO are bought and paid for by the Chinese judging by their willingness to validate Traditional Chinese Medicine.

Thank goodness the Africans and Haitians don't wield much influence or they might add Witch-Doctors and Voodoo to the list.

Tedros, one of the worst people you could possibly put in charge of anything. I knew from the very first presser with him and his sidekicks that this was a can of shit org, shifty as fuck from the get go and couldn't even answer a straight question.

 

 

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10 minutes ago, M S E Refugee said:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-01726-1

The WHO are bought and paid for by the Chinese judging by their willingness to validate Traditional Chinese Medicine.

Thank goodness the Africans and Haitians don't wield much influence or they might add Witch-Doctors and Voodoo to the list.

Wow - fascinating article.

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53 minutes ago, wherebee said:

Yes, but if a disease like this starts somewhere like, say, Ireland, we will get much faster data on:

  • how deadly it is
  • what the r0 is
  • what treatments help
  • who is vulnerable

and be able to react accordingly.

If this had happened here, and judging by what we've already been through in pleading with the general public in follow government guidelines, most of us would have already caught it by now.

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2 hours ago, M S E Refugee said:

https://www.bats.org.uk/about-bats/bats-and-disease/bats-and-viruses

I think it would be very helpful if they stopped eating bushmeat, as you can read in this link it really isn't a good idea to eat Bats.

Repeating myself again, but you need to look at South East Asia as a whole, especially for bush meat consumption. Laos, Vietnam, Indonesia, Malaysia eat the bats.

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Was there ever any evidence that bats were being sold at the Wuhan fish market?

All the videos that we saw early on were from Indonesia.

It all seemed very odd to me that the Chinese announced straight away that the virus came from the locals eating bats, it's not the sort of thing that they would normally publicly admit.

 

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3 minutes ago, Calcutta said:

Anyboy catch the guy just on sky news? John Lee maybe his name was, former NHS consultant, basically said the way the death rate was being recorded was bs without knowing how many people were infected asymptomaticly, blew the whole pantomime to pieces imo.

Of course we know that, just about the only cases that are reported (tested positive) are those hospitalised, so the survival rates as they are represented are from the numbers. But even that is not really the problem, exponential growth and the rapid deterioration of the survival rate is the real issue. plus it is not just affected the old and weak and initially represented. Also it is a serious risk to an unprepared and properly kitted out medical system.

 

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This article was referred to in a video above.

Is PCR testing so flawed?

Can anyone here who knows their stuff comment?

https://www.globalresearch.ca/manufactured-pandemic-testing-people-any-strain-coronavirus-not-specifically-covid-19/5707781

I take it with a pinch of salt but it is interesting.

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The ‘gold standard’ in testing for COVID-19 is laboratory isolated/purified coronavirus particles free from any contaminants and particles that look like viruses but are not, that have been proven to be the cause of the syndrome known as COVID-19 and obtained by using proper viral isolation methods and controls (not the PCR that is currently being used or Serology /antibody tests which do not detect virus as such). PCR basically takes a sample of your cells and amplifies any DNA to look for ‘viral sequences’, i.e. bits of non-human DNA that seem to match parts of a known viral genome.

The problem is the test is known not to work.

 

 

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