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Inconvenient truths


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M S E Refugee

Just had a quick glance at Owen Jones's Twitter feed and after previously wishing death upon the Brexit supporting elderly they now want them to live because this now suits their political agenda.

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A friend of mine whose 60 year old father was put on a ventilator a week or so ago was told by the Dr that the mortality rate for those on a ventilator is around 50%, typically they will be on a ventilator for 2 to 3 weeks if they are to recover however the likely outcome becomes clear by the end of the first week. 

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3 minutes ago, Bingobob said:

A friend of mine whose 60 year old father was put on a ventilator a week or so ago was told by the Dr that the mortality rate for those on a ventilator is around 50%, typically they will be on a ventilator for 2 to 3 weeks if they are to recover however the likely outcome becomes clear by the end of the first week. 

Being put on a ventilator has never had good outcomes. e.g. Someone upthread mentioned Ventilator Acquired Pneumonia (VAP) - Id forgotten about it but I spent about a year 10-15 years ago working part time on antibiotics to treat this. It is rather common, very difficult to treat and the outcomes are not good.

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The thing with the ventilators is that it assists breathing while in an induced coma. So are they used when the person is otherwise unable to breath normally and no other treatment such as that given to asmatics works, so a ventilator is required and to do that they need to be in a coma and all the specialist care that requires?

So the ventilator is what is keeping the person alive while hopefully their immune system fights off the virus or is the ventilator actually part of the treatment so is a necessary step?

i.e. if it hits you hard enough you will need a ventilator to get through it so if going to hospital with the virus be prepared for that eventuallity and all it brings, including lack of contact with family in final moments, and possibly die in a coma without regaining consciousness.

Not a nice prospect on many levels.

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From the audit ... "Excess weight also appears to be a significant risk factor; over 70% of patients were overweight, obese or clinically obese on the body mass index scale."

Also "Findings of critical care report raise concerns about how effective new facilities will be"
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/mar/28/coronavirus-intensive-care-uk-patients-50-per-cent-survival-rate

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A prominent figure needs to get more than mild syptoms for the public to accept the seriousness of it fully. While they are all just getting mild symptoms then many will think the situation isn't serious and will flout the rules the longer the restrictions continue.

Can a politician, royal, or famous non-ancient celebrity please die of the virus for the good of the people. We'll clap you in the streets at 8pm on a Thursday, promise.

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Hail the Tripod

I would think the inconvenient truths are:

1. No one has ever managed to produce a vaccine for any of the existing corona viruses in circulation after 100 years of trying.

2. No-one has ever acquired long term immunity to any of them.

3. To flatten the curve sufficiently that everyone who needs hospital treatment can get it will require some degree of lockdown to be in place for a decade or more.

4. The case fatality rate is likely between 3 and 20% depending on the quality of medical care.

5. If a person does develop interstitial pneumonia and survive, they will have permanent lung scarring.

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Just now, BoSon said:

"Game over man, game over." :(

Well, it’s not that bad at the macro level. Most people will be fine. In fact, mass die offs are usually pretty good for social mobility, and improved standard of living for the survivors.

It may necessitate some fairly long term behaviour changes. 

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1 minute ago, MrPin said:

Does not anybody think it a bit bonkers to put infectious people in the same hospital as people wanting a knee op, or nose straightened.

So no new knees or noses

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36 minutes ago, MrPin said:

Does not anybody think it a bit bonkers to put infectious people in the same hospital as people wanting a knee op, or nose straightened.

I thought the government were paying the private hospitals to take in non-virus related NHS cases to act as clean hospitals. May just be more talk with no real action to keep the idiot public happy.

There are also loads of regional NHS places they have closed or mothballed that could be used for normal treatment, but takes time to get it all up and running so depends what the government strategy is is for the coming months, assuming they've thought that far.

They've been knocking back non-urgent care so many hospitals are likely quiet apart from the normal serious cases, thus more staff to rotate on the front line to give the exhausted medics some relief, or to reposition to safer places where cross contamination can be reduced.

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1 hour ago, Hail the Tripod said:

I would think the inconvenient truths are:

1. No one has ever managed to produce a vaccine for any of the existing corona viruses in circulation after 100 years of trying.

How hard were they trying before? Other research may have proved much easier and profitable in the short term. 

The whole world is focused on this single issue, with a blank chequebook at the ready. No problem in the history of humanity has had this level of attention

Developments in communication, computing power and the sharing of information has never been better.

I refuse to believe this is a problem without a possible solution

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3 minutes ago, Rowley said:

How hard were they trying before? Other research may have proved much easier and profitable in the short term. 

The whole world is focused on this single issue, with a blank chequebook at the ready. No problem in the history of humanity has had this level of attention

Developments in communication, computing power and the sharing of information has never been better.

I refuse to believe this is a problem without a possible solution

Yep, they don't cure profitable diseases where there's more money in treating the symptoms, but will cure one that threatens to kill the world economy.

Just be wary of any side or long term effects of the cure. :ph34r: "We've brought this vaccine to market in record time. Reports it turns a very small minority of people into morons is unsubstantiated, the baseline of human intelligence is too low to be sure this vaccine is the reason for that decline. See also schools closed for months and parents being crap at educating their children."

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Just now, Rowley said:

How hard were they trying before? Other research may have proved much easier and profitable in the short term. 

The whole world is focused on this single issue, with a blank chequebook at the ready. No problem in the history of humanity has had this level of attention

Developments in communication, computing power and the sharing of information has never been better.

I refuse to believe this is a problem without a possible solution

I don’t doubt there is a solution. I just don’t see any reason to assume it can just be found and scaled up in a year or less.

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UK Column going strong on the government deceiving the country about c19. Evidence of BBC amongst others changing reports to manage the narrative. Interview financier and mathematician Andrew Mather https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmFDE8P6_M-C4HTOuWwm4Dg who is calling this the 'weapons of mass destruction' story of this decade. Also suggestion that deep state morons like the Council On Foreign Relations are trying to put the West on the path to Cold War 2.0 with China and it's allies. 

 

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5 hours ago, MrPin said:

I only mentioned this, after seeing Eddie Large contract the virus in hospital, whereas in fact, he was in for something else.

We used to have isolation hospitals in the unenlightened times, before we eradicated all infectious diseases.

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A prominent figure needs to get more than mild syptoms for the public to accept the seriousness of it fully. While they are all just getting mild symptoms then many will think the situation isn't serious and will flout the rules the longer the restrictions continue.

Can a politician, royal, or famous non-ancient celebrity please die of the virus for the good of the people. We'll clap you in the streets at 8pm on a Thursday, promise.

I've been expecting that for a while now, one of them will have to croak for it to be taken seriously.

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9 minutes ago, Kilham said:

We used to have isolation hospitals in the unenlightened times, before we eradicated all infectious diseases.

I've been expecting that for a while now, one of them will have to croak for it to be taken seriously.

Were they not called sanatoriums?

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6 hours ago, MrPin said:

I only mentioned this, after seeing Eddie Large contract the virus in hospital, whereas in fact, he was in for something else.

Heart failure!

Apparently it woz the virus wot dun it

 

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7 hours ago, BoSon said:

A prominent figure needs to get more than mild syptoms for the public to accept the seriousness of it fully. While they are all just getting mild symptoms then many will think the situation isn't serious and will flout the rules the longer the restrictions continue.

Can a politician, royal, or famous non-ancient celebrity please die of the virus for the good of the people. We'll clap you in the streets at 8pm on a Thursday, promise.

Scaring the shit out of everyone even more is not the answer, generally people are already scared enough.

Also having a go at teenagers meeting in parks outdoors is like rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic. There are tens of millions of key workers having billions of interactions every day (add in shopping which is necessary) which dwarfs the interactions by the general public meeting up.

I agree with the first post though, there are loads of inconvenient truths and I don't see any way out of this but for most of the population to catch the virus before we get to the stage of economic collapse and social unrest.

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6 minutes ago, whitevanman said:

Heart failure!

Apparently it woz the virus wot dun it

 

What percentage of 80 year olds [or any people for that matter] that die would test positive for the common cold?

We would be saying that 10% of people die of common colds, surely on those figures we should have a shutdown every winter.

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8 minutes ago, planit said:

What percentage of 80 year olds [or any people for that matter] that die would test positive for the common cold?

We would be saying that 10% of people die of common colds, surely on those figures we should have a shutdown every winter.

Now you're getting it xD

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13 minutes ago, planit said:

What percentage of 80 year olds [or any people for that matter] that die would test positive for the common cold?

We would be saying that 10% of people die of common colds, surely on those figures we should have a shutdown every winter.

Just to add some figures in for perspective, 600k people die in the uk each year. Winter deaths say = 300k

If 10% of people tested positive for common cold on death then that would be

30k/6months

= 5000 deaths per month from the common cold

= 166 per day.

 

Against those figures the current death rates don't quite look so bad.

 

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