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So, I was interested in the extent that jails were now controlled by radical Islam and how they could be an effective death gulag for those like TR and Mr. Osborne.

What I seem to have discovered is that, quite separately to the Islamic problem is that the prison system is in total meltdown, with hushed up riots, staff beaten to near death and loss of control by the authorities.

Some of this seems down to a policy of introducing smoke-free jails, but there seems that there is some other undercurrent of anarchy at play.

Does anyone know any more about this?

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27 minutes ago, Bkkandrew said:

So, I was interested in the extent that jails were now controlled by radical Islam and how they could be an effective death gulag for those like TR and Mr. Osborne.

What I seem to have discovered is that, quite separately to the Islamic problem is that the prison system is in total meltdown, with hushed up riots, staff beaten to near death and loss of control by the authorities.

Some of this seems down to a policy of introducing smoke-free jails, but there seems that there is some other undercurrent of anarchy at play.

Does anyone know any more about this?

My cousin is in Hull nick. Ive got to go and visit him soon.

In no particular order:

- Too many prisoners. If they are not violent then they should nto be in prison. Its v. expensive.

- Too many foreign criminal. Gone off the chart in he last few years. EE gangs, Asian fiddlers. A robust response to kicking them out would sort this out.

- Too many women POs. Good for diversity. Bad for quelling riots. And they are the ones who tending to smuggle in drugs.

- Too many illegal/legal high incidents. Theres more Spice in prison than outside of it. See woman POs.

 

 

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Drugs ,they turn a blind eye to it in many jails as it pacifies the users but on the other hand it creates turf wars and debt problems 

I know a few that boast that they came out of nick far wealthier than when they went in ....this is just anecdotal whether it`s true or not i do not know but i`m inclined to believe them with a pinch of salt

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2 minutes ago, Long time lurking said:

Drugs ,they turn a blind eye to it in many jails as it pacifies the users but on the other hand it creates turf wars and debt problems 

I know a few that boast that they came out of nick far wealthier than when they went in ....this is just anecdotal whether it`s true or not i do not know but i`m inclined to believe them with a pinch of salt

Ask them if they were selling their arse at 40 quid a pop inside. (Then run away quickly)

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8 minutes ago, sarahbell said:

Spice.
 

The problem they have with that now is it`s becoming readily  available in its raw form since it was made illegal which is a liquid its know being processed with tobacco so it`s very hard to detect with a  visual inspection 

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3 minutes ago, swissy_fit said:

Ask them if they were selling their arse at 40 quid a pop inside. (Then run away quickly)

They are all very clear how they made there money ....and i dont think they would be boasting about it if they were using your business plan xD

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3 minutes ago, Bkkandrew said:

A lot of this is not new. But the recent spate of (largely hushed-up) incidents seem to be spinning out of control.

What's behind that?

Why hush it up?

My bet on that one is a lot of UK nicks are run buy private companies G4S and the like ......incompetence is going to raise serious questions from the paymasters 

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1 hour ago, Long time lurking said:

My bet on that one is a lot of UK nicks are run buy private companies G4S and the like ......incompetence is going to raise serious questions from the paymasters 

^ This

 Contracting out the running of prisions to private companies like G4S will have dropped standards and attracted "bouncer" types into the role of PO's 

You only have to see how this type of G4S aggressive knuckle dragger carrys on in jobcentres around the country where they have contracts to run the security, 

i recognised a few neanderthal bouncers working security at my local jobcentre when i had a spell on the dole a couple of years ago.

They will be as corrupt as they come in the PO role.

If i was to guess i would say the G4S PO's have created a corrupt climate of fear inside these jails (probably running the drug trade too) and this is leading to unrest.

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8 minutes ago, WorkingPoor said:

^ This

 Contracting out the running of prisions to private companies like G4S will have dropped standards and attracted "bouncer" types into the role of PO's 

You only have to see how this type of G4S aggressive knuckle dragger carrys on in jobcentres around the country where they have contracts to run the security, 

i recognised a few neanderthal bouncers working security at my local jobcentre when i had a spell on the dole a couple of years ago.

They will be as corrupt as they come in the PO role.

If i was to guess i would say the G4S PO's have created a corrupt climate of fear inside these jails (probably running the drug trade too) and this is leading to unrest.

This...

I know someone who works in prisons - the stories would make your hair curl.  Scary stuff.  The main issue is that the PO are mainly young people on very low wages, no experience and little training.  pay peanuts....

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9 minutes ago, WorkingPoor said:

^ This

 Contracting out the running of prisions to private companies like G4S will have dropped standards and attracted "bouncer" types into the role of PO's 

You only have to see how this type of G4S aggressive knuckle dragger carrys on in jobcentres around the country where they have contracts to run the security, 

i recognised a few neanderthal bouncers working security at my local jobcentre when i had a spell on the dole a couple of years ago.

They will be as corrupt as they come in the PO role.

If i was to guess i would say the G4S PO's have created a corrupt climate of fear inside these jails (probably running the drug trade too) and this is leading to unrest.

Not really.

PO in state run prison are pretty think and useless.

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If you increase the number of prisoners without increasing the number of prison places available (or funding for prisons in general) then eventually the system breaks down. This has now happened, pretty much. I don't know why it isn't more of a national scandal; it should be. Personally my preferred solution to the problem would be to send fewer people to prison, but they could solve it by building more prisons.

It clearly hasn't helped that Grayling and Truss are both absolute morons. Gove understood the problem, I think, but was turfed out before he had a chance to do something about it.

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Just now, WorkingPoor said:

I thought your state PO was akin to a police officer with regards to training etc? 

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

No. 80% are usually ex squaddies. Or used to be.

PO Is the lowest/easiest, unionised public sector job to get .

Usually no or limited education qualifications.

 

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A part time waitress in the village pub landed a job as a PO. The training was 6-8 weeks (if memory serves) before going into the prison under supervision. She quit within 2 weeks of going on a wing. In her opinion she was in no way equipped to cope, even under supervision.

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10 minutes ago, Horrified Onlooker said:

A part time waitress in the village pub landed a job as a PO. The training was 6-8 weeks (if memory serves) before going into the prison under supervision. She quit within 2 weeks of going on a wing. In her opinion she was in no way equipped to cope, even under supervision.

Again, too diverse. Women should not be on a male wing.

It might come as surprise but there are some bad men in prison, who are ~30% stronger than women.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-45700130

Five prison officers have been injured in a disturbance at a high security men's jail, the Prison Office has said.

Disorder broke out at HMP Long Lartin in Worcestershire at about 09:30 BST on Sunday and is ongoing.

Specialist "Tornado" officers have been brought in to deal with the disturbance, which involves eight inmates and is contained to one wing.

The officers were treated for minor facial injuries at the scene.

A Prison Service spokesperson said: "Specially trained prison staff have been deployed to deal with an ongoing incident at HMP Long Lartin. Five members of staff have been treated for injuries.

"We do not tolerate violence in our prisons, and are clear that those responsible will be referred to the police and could spend longer behind bars."

HMP Long Lartin holds more than 500 prisoners, including some of the country's most dangerous offenders.

In June it was reported that the prison's governor received hospital treatment after being attacked by a prisoner.

And in October last year riot officers were called to the prison to deal with a serious disturbance in which staff were attacked with pool balls.

 

Control of prisons isn't improving then

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On 24/07/2017 at 16:26, One percent said:

Not any more.  Very little training...

its about 10 weeks ,then your on probationary period for a year i think.

On 24/07/2017 at 16:54, spygirl said:

Again, too diverse. Women should not be on a male wing.

It might come as surprise but there are some bad men in prison, who are ~30% stronger than women.

and bossing around muslim men,what could possably go wrong.

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On 24/07/2017 at 16:28, spygirl said:

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

No. 80% are usually ex squaddies. Or used to be.

PO Is the lowest/easiest, unionised public sector job to get .

Usually no or limited education qualifications.

 

they can be delt with but the way to do it is none pc,im betting 25 paras or royal marines could do a better job after 2 days training if you let them do it there own way .

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