• Welcome to DOSBODS

    Please consider creating a free account to be able to access all the features of the DOSBODS community. It only takes 20 seconds!

Sign in to follow this  
Frank Hovis

Nurseries going bust now

Recommended Posts

After adult care providers going bust (councils not paying break-even rates), care homes going bust (councils not paying break-even rates), we now have nurseries going bust for the same reason.

Quote

 

But from September, those from families with working parents will be entitled to 30 hours free care/early years education per week - just so long as their parents do not earn more than £100,000 a year each.

Like many other nurseries, the rate Jackie receives from the government via Essex County Council for the 15 free hours does not cover her staff costs or overheads.

When she opened 10 years ago, the money just about worked, she said, but as the bills and overheads have increased it no longer stretches that far.

And in recent months the rate the nursery is paid has been reduced to £4.21 an hour from a high of £4.61 several years ago.

"Currently we make a loss of £1.95 an hour per child, so we ask for voluntary contributions of £30 per week per child," she says.

 

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-40660648

This is all so short sighted; all of these companies are going bust on a merry go round and the level of care given is the absolute minimum or below this.

Nobody in their right mind is going to start up any of these businesses now and accept council contracts so the councils are going to end up providing it themselves which will cost them an absolute fortune; far more than just paying a fair rate now.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, spunko2010 said:

I thought this was about plant nurseries for a second. Phew!

It's a disaster if your local one goes bust and you're dependent on them to keep your job.  It is all very well the government trumpeting the additional free childcare but if it puts your local nursery out of business then you lose.

 

The only thing I find reasonably priced at garden centres is the food so I do sometimes eat at them.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
6 minutes ago, Frank Hovis said:

It's a disaster if your local one goes bust and you're dependent on them to keep your job.  It is all very well the government trumpeting the additional free childcare but if it puts your local nursery out of business then you lose.

 

The only thing I find reasonably priced at garden centres is the food so I do sometimes eat at them.

Sorry for driving this off-topic but a garden centre is NOT a nursery! Garden centres are magnets for blue rinse OAPs selling forced plants at inflated prices. There are very few worse places to buy plants. A nursery on the other hand is much more reasonably priced, locally owned and the plants are healthy.

 

Wyevale: Just Say No!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Don't worry - wives and friends of senior council officers will soon be opening their own nurseries and, surprise surprise, adequate funding will then be made available.

First rule of nurseries - do not gossip about how much you are making as it will make others jealous.

Ker-ching!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
6 minutes ago, MrPin said:

Surely these toddlers could be sold "infant loans" to pay for their extravagance.

I like your thinking.

But they're not really loans of course; merely a slightly higher marginal rate of tax on all earnings over £20k which they will pay forever.

Just now, TheNoSnowMan said:

Wouldn't be a problem if one parent could stay home and raise the children.

But won't somebody think of the bankers...

Of the House Prices!  How can we maintain such ludicrous house prices if households only have one salary to commit to a mortgage?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
7 minutes ago, spunko2010 said:

Sorry for driving this off-topic but a garden centre is NOT a nursery! Garden centres are magnets for blue rinse OAPs selling forced plants at inflated prices. There are very few worse places to buy plants. A nursery on the other hand is much more reasonably priced, locally owned and the plants are healthy.


 

Wyevale: Just Say No!

No. Nurseries are something to do with a plot of land while you wait for planning permission. Or at least that is what seems to be the case with the 6 within 2 miles of me that I have never seen anyone visit.
 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
9 minutes ago, Cunning Plan said:

No. Nurseries are something to do with a plot of land while you wait for planning permission. Or at least that is what seems to be the case with the 6 within 2 miles of me that I have never seen anyone visit.
 

Funny you should say that. Only an hour ago I was perusing the council's planning website investigating the goings-on at what used to be the local nursery. Turns out those who "do not travel despite the name" are trying to put up 5 pitches on it. They're already cleared all the old polytunnels so I don't know why they're even bothering with official channels when they just disregard the decision if it doesn't go their way.

I fantasise of a future where these sorts are sterilised at birth.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Well .....

Loads of these nurseries were set up. Vast employment of women. Some are good. Some are just staffed by staff who sit around texting all day.

Most were set up o nthe understanding that they just bill UKGOV. No dealing wit hthe crap things such as pricing the service, or getting parents.

Some, like the one in the article,, made some attempt at asking for donations.

All part of the ta idiots Brown's 'We must do something!' Which he starts then does not put funding in place.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Wasn't that the problem with the USSR?  You could buy anything you wanted at a reasonable state-controlled and subsidised price, but there weren't any actually for sale?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, TheNoSnowMan said:

Wouldn't be a problem if one parent could stay home and raise the children.

But won't somebody think of the bankers...

"You'd be much happier at home with a husband and children."

 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 minutes ago, Reck B said:

"You'd be much happier at home with a husband and children."

 

 

Someone would, be it him or her. Or her + her, or him + him these days.

Kids stayed home til they were 3 - Ive seen baby farms for young babies. Nuts.

2.5+ most kids are raring to go and socialise and play. From about 9-3pm, not 7am to 6pm.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, Frank Hovis said:

After adult care providers going bust (councils not paying break-even rates), care homes going bust (councils not paying break-even rates), we now have nurseries going bust for the same reason.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-40660648

This is all so short sighted; all of these companies are going bust on a merry go round and the level of care given is the absolute minimum or below this.

Nobody in their right mind is going to start up any of these businesses now and accept council contracts so the councils are going to end up providing it themselves which will cost them an absolute fortune; far more than just paying a fair rate now.

My prediction is the next will be home care providers ,a family member is involved in this game they can not find carers even when they are offering the best rates in the area they operate in, the problem is finding  people with transport theres plenty that are classed as "walker"s but few with transport ,it`s simple the wage is no enough to support running a vehicle for most and theres very little in the way of spare cash from the rates the councils are paying (well it`s a tender system ) to raise the rate 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, Long time lurking said:

My prediction is the next will be home care providers ,a family member is involved in this game they can not find carers even when they are offering the best rates in the area they operate in, the problem is finding  people with transport theres plenty that are classed as "walker"s but few with transport ,it`s simple the wage is no enough to support running a vehicle for most and theres very little in the way of spare cash from the rates the councils are paying (well it`s a tender system ) to raise the rate 

That's what I meant by the adult care providers.  Councils pay £16 per hour contact time but nothing for travel so once you take out driving and parking you can probably half that to £8 an hour.  Out of which comes the carer's wages, their holiday pay and sick pay; the office premises and administration, training, loan interest etc.

This is why there is so much trouble arranging care packages to get people out of hospital - it just doesn't stack up.

Councils did (and I'm only going back to 2007/8 here) pay a fair per hour rate but slashed it to the current pittance.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

There was a woman talking about this one the radio the other day.

She had three kids and also worked in a nursery (where at least some of her kids went). She was moaning that her salary was slightly less than the nursery fees.

So why the fuck doesn't she just look after her own kids at home? Simple - her salary goes to her and the taxpayer foots the nursery fees bill.

We, the taxpayer, are paying her to look after her own kids. It's a stupid make work scheme.

We should just be honest and quadruple child benefit so that women can look after their own kids in their own home if that is what we want to achieve.

My mother did, and I recall coffee mornings at other people's houses almost every day so that we were 'socialised' 
 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 minutes ago, Frank Hovis said:

That's what I meant by the adult care providers.  Councils pay £16 per hour contact time but nothing for travel so once you take out driving and parking you can probably half that to £8 an hour.  Out of which comes the carer's wages, their holiday pay and sick pay; the office premises and administration, training, loan interest etc.

This is why there is so much trouble arranging care packages to get people out of hospital - it just doesn't stack up.

Councils did (and I'm only going back to 2007/8 here) pay a fair per hour rate but slashed it to the current pittance.

I miss read that part as meaning care homes :CryBaby: 

Edited by Long time lurking

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It's ok everybody, everything is as it should be, it's all part of the plan (or at least, that's how it appears).

The indigenous people of the UK (insofar as anyone can be said to be indigenous) will have fewer children because they need to work to pay for a roof over their heads and childcare is an issue, they won't be able to afford to give children the life they want to give them. 

However the backwoods Moroccan/Tunisian wives imported by many UK Muslim men will stay at home as they are mostly unemployable anyway, plus their expectations of what they can give a child is lower, so they will have 5 or 6 kids, then when kids are a bit older they can take up Uber/dogwalking and draw tens of thousands of pounds of benefits a year, vote for Sadiq or his equivalent where they are, and all paid for by the indigenous people. Sound fair enough to you?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
10 minutes ago, Frank Hovis said:

That's what I meant by the adult care providers.  Councils pay £16 per hour contact time but nothing for travel so once you take out driving and parking you can probably half that to £8 an hour.  Out of which comes the carer's wages, their holiday pay and sick pay; the office premises and administration, training, loan interest etc.

This is why there is so much trouble arranging care packages to get people out of hospital - it just doesn't stack up.

Councils did (and I'm only going back to 2007/8 here) pay a fair per hour rate but slashed it to the current pittance.

The old folk home near me was affected my tax credits. Most of the people only wanted to work 16h/week.

Place has closed now.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Sign in to follow this  

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.