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NHS staff, ppe and the law


sarahbell
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Numbers of dead NHS staff today on news range from 100 to 80 to 72.

How many caught it at work?

The MEN had a story about a retired doctor who was planning on returning to work but hadn't, who died of covid. Is he being counted?

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Mike Roberts
1 hour ago, sarahbell said:

Numbers of dead NHS staff today on news range from 100 to 80 to 72.

How many caught it at work?

The MEN had a story about a retired doctor who was planning on returning to work but hadn't, who died of covid. Is he being counted?

NHS staff constitute around 3% of the working age population.

Approximately 100,000 people of working age die every year.

Hence one would expect, on average, around 250 NHS staff to die every month.

If 100 NHS staff have died since the outbreak began then mortality among NHS staff is much lower than the average for the working age population.

How many of those 100 died with the virus but from other causes and how many died from the virus? We don't know due to lack of testing and lack of post mortems but inevitably the latter number will be lower.

NHS propaganda to distract from management failings.

 

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42 minutes ago, Mike Roberts said:

NHS staff constitute around 3% of the working age population.

Approximately 100,000 people of working age die every year.

Hence one would expect, on average, around 250 NHS staff to die every month.

If 100 NHS staff have died since the outbreak began then mortality among NHS staff is much lower than the average for the working age population.

How many of those 100 died with the virus but from other causes and how many died from the virus? We don't know due to lack of testing and lack of post mortems but inevitably the latter number will be lower.

NHS propaganda to distract from management failings.

 

That's a messy and misleading calculation.

You have to start with the number who die from natural causes and who were at that point healthy enough to be at work. 

Anyway, what annoys me is that they've got a clue as to which aspects significantly increase chances of death from Covid19 -- so to keep 55+, overweight or BAME staff on the front-line is stupid and reckless.

You'd have thought that a 'science based' industry would have identified this at the earliest point and done something appropriate -- but the NHS is more like a religion these days, and so logic doesn't come into it.

[or, rather -- logic is applied to the NHS, but only via a religious-like process -- so they'll stop old/obese/BAME from working with Covid19 only when they've written a few verses for their quasi-religious texts, at which point it'll become canon and will be applied religiously even when inappropriate.]

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Chewing Grass
2 minutes ago, dgul said:

so to keep 55+, overweight or BAME staff on the front-line is stupid and reckless.

It's equality, as we have been repeatedly told overweight people are normal and BAME are totally equal in every-way.

The have to suck it up and stop whinging as everyone who complains is endorsing discrimination.

They have do die on the altar of political correctness - end of.

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9 minutes ago, Royston said:

Would that make you a Contrarian Aryan?

It's just wise to question accepted definitions, and how they are misused. There are many "conditions" given labels now that would not have been noticed a while back. And other names have changed, like spastic, or moron.

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Virgil Caine
2 hours ago, MrPin said:

The employer is obliged to supply PPE, as determined by whatever risk assessment has been done for that environment.

Should not this be on the comedy thread.

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16 minutes ago, Virgil Caine said:

Should not this be on the comedy thread.

It's the rule. I can't say whether an adequate risk assessment happened, as I don't think anyone knows what the risk is.

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