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On 13/07/2020 at 10:30, Chewing Grass said:

If you are running a big office based business you now have to space people out which increases you cost per sq/m.

Plus if one of the filthy plebs you employ brings a dose into the office you run the risk of the place being shut-down.

Big part of being in business is managing risk (HMRC love business risk) and any director who doesn't is not doing their job.

So on balance it is more profitable and less risky if you can keep as many people away from your non-retail premises as possible.

Fuck the cafés/restaurants they are further down the food chain and in real terms feed on scraps of cash.

It actually makes more sense for home working in terms of disaster recovery etc. 

Why have a single BCP site you pay for that's also a single point of failure when you can just send folk home ? 

Dave's in Dundee

Margaret is in East Kilbride

Phil is in Livingston. 

 

 

Or Dave , Margaret and Phil are all in a single building in bathgate..... 

Go short on businesses that do disaster recovery sites. 

 

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The world has changed. The commuting isn't coming back - or at most it's coming back at 20% of what it was.

And it isn't just covid. People hate commuting and around 50% hate the office and having to engage with people they don't care about in pointless discussion nonsense. Only someone who had never commuted could suggest that people should just get merrily back to it.

If work is done from home just as efficiently or more so, then it should carry on from home. Those workers who really want to be in the office are welcome to it (and shouldn't be prevented from going in if for some strange reason they love wasting 2hrs a day and thousands of pounds travelling).

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Wight Flight
3 minutes ago, Errol said:

The world has changed. The commuting isn't coming back - or at most it's coming back at 20% of what it was.

And it isn't just covid. People hate commuting and around 50% hate the office and having to engage with people they don't care about in pointless discussion nonsense. Only someone who had never commuted could suggest that people should just get merrily back to it.

If work is done from home just as efficiently or more so, then it should carry on from home. Those workers who really want to be in the office are welcome to it (and shouldn't be prevented from going in if for some strange reason they love wasting 2hrs a day and thousands of pounds travelling).

I don't buy it.

At a very random guess, less than 5% of the population have the right job, skills, facilities, willpower and mental strength to work from home.

The rest are deluding themselves.

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10 minutes ago, Wight Flight said:

I don't buy it.

At a very random guess, less than 5% of the population have the right job, skills, facilities, willpower and mental strength to work from home.

The rest are deluding themselves.

 Most of the City can work from home. All you need is a laptop.

Most educated people in the City have the discipline, willpower and mental strength (as evidenced by getting degrees, and other qualifications).

In any event, many would argue that being in an open plan offices requires more mental strength and more willpower. To lots of people, being in modern offices is a torture of constant background chatter/noise, incorrect temperatures, pointless meetings, talking to people you don't want to talk to etc.

Mental pressure comes right off when home working, to the point where there will be a massive increase in health and quality of life for most.

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17 minutes ago, Wight Flight said:

I don't buy it.

At a very random guess, less than 5% of the population have the right job, skills, facilities, willpower and mental strength to work from home.

The rest are deluding themselves.

It's no difference if you have daily catch ups and an agreed list of actions. Questions get asked if the actions aren't getting done.

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15 minutes ago, Wight Flight said:

I don't buy it.

At a very random guess, less than 5% of the population have the right job, skills, facilities, willpower and mental strength to work from home.

The rest are deluding themselves.

You are more than likely right. We worked from home for 13 years, now have an office 5 minutes walk away. If you run your own business then obviously you have the willpower and mental strength (or the business inevitably fails).

Lots of employees working from home will not be able to resist the distraction of twitter, netflix, farcebook, sleeping, pornhub, washing the car, beer in the back garden etc etc etc etc. I wouldn't want to be an employer right now*

* something we have toyed with more than once and fortunately dismissed. No regrets in this regard.

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Just now, The XYY Man said:

I can resist all of those without breaking a sweat. 

Giz a job, you cunt...

 

XYY

Hmmm... It would certainly bring a extra dynamic to the company. Mind you, there is a lot of desk based number crunching. Not all of it is walking around on church roofs eyeing up the lead rolls. 

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I love the fact that people on here are posting on a social media site about being able to resist posting on social media sites.  It's like some extreme form of performance art.

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Wight Flight
36 minutes ago, Errol said:

Most educated people in the City have the discipline, willpower and mental strength (as evidenced by getting degrees, and other qualifications).

Now I know you are talking bollocks.

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41 minutes ago, Errol said:

In any event, many would argue that being in an open plan offices requires more mental strength and more willpower. To lots of people, being in modern offices is a torture of constant background chatter/noise, incorrect temperatures, pointless meetings, talking to people you don't want to talk to etc.

I'd be one of those many. Busy, noisy, open plan offices whilst trying to concentrate....

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1 hour ago, Wight Flight said:

I don't buy it.

At a very random guess, less than 5% of the population have the right job, skills, facilities, willpower and mental strength to work from home.

The rest are deluding themselves.

How many self employed already effectively work from home?

Since 98 most of my work has been computer based and home based. 

Much easier working for one employer with one computer system, one main task, one set of colleagues.

I've had loads of of such situations, sometimes rolling up to 3 at a time.

 

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1 hour ago, Errol said:

 Most of the City can work from home. All you need is a laptop.

Most educated people in the City have the discipline, willpower and mental strength (as evidenced by getting degrees, and other qualifications).

In any event, many would argue that being in an open plan offices requires more mental strength and more willpower. To lots of people, being in modern offices is a torture of constant background chatter/noise, incorrect temperatures, pointless meetings, talking to people you don't want to talk to etc.

Mental pressure comes right off when home working, to the point where there will be a massive increase in health and quality of life for most.

My wife been working from home since March. Loves it. So much more productive without the office crap. I hope she gets to keep doing it.

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Wight Flight
1 minute ago, onlyme said:

How many self employed already effectively work from home?

Since 98 most of my work has been computer based and home based. 

Much easier working for one employer with one computer system, one main task, one set of colleagues.

I've had loads of of such situations, sometimes rolling up to 3 at a time.

 

A bit confused. You are talking about being self employed and having an employer.

You have to remember that we here are a very unusual subset of the population.

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1 hour ago, Errol said:

 Most of the City can work from home. All you need is a laptop.

Most educated people in the City have the discipline, willpower and mental strength (as evidenced by getting degrees, and other qualifications).

In any event, many would argue that being in an open plan offices requires more mental strength and more willpower. To lots of people, being in modern offices is a torture of constant background chatter/noise, incorrect temperatures, pointless meetings, talking to people you don't want to talk to etc.

Mental pressure comes right off when home working, to the point where there will be a massive increase in health and quality of life for most.

Workplaces have changed a lot too, the rules have changed, the social rules of engagement have changed.

Liquid lunches gone for many, now a minefield of gender / race based rules.

Sort of shit many will be happy to distance themselves from.

 

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Wight Flight
1 minute ago, onlyme said:

Workplaces have changed a lot too, the rules have changed, the social rules of engagement have changed.

Liquid lunches gone for many, now a minefield of gender / race based rules.

Sort of shit many will be happy to distance themselves from.

 

How very dare you.

I am looking forward to my liquid lunch tomorrow. (With my office assistant)

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Just now, Wight Flight said:

A bit confused. You are talking about being self employed and having an employer.

You have to remember that we here are a very unusual subset of the population.

`If you are the sort of person who can spend most of an 8 hour day sat at a computer at work, or most of the same day answering calls - those two tasks alone take up a huge number of admin jobs then is there really the much of a change?

Being self employed and doing project by project work is like having multiple employers, you tender for a project and do it., just the same as if you'd been tasked to do it as part of a salaried position. At least that has been my experience of such work. In fact multiple times had to pretend to be part of tendering company make the numbers up, business cards made up, even for one pitch, that was early web dev when hardly any companies around had any internal skills.

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1 hour ago, Wight Flight said:

I don't buy it.

At a very random guess, less than 5% of the population have the right job, skills, facilities, willpower and mental strength to work from home.

The rest are deluding themselves.

It's currently a popular fad.  Give it another six months when the weather turns, and people will be bemoaning how lonely the experience is and how much they can't concentrate.  I could perhaps work from perhaps a day a week but not much more. As I've said on here before, for a lot of people, doing it permanently full time would end up leading to a lot of mental health problems.

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Wasn't there some study once that found that the average (I know, no such thing) office worker was truly role-productive for approximately 4 hours a day and the rest of the time was classified as role-unproductive in one way or another.  Some of this non-productivity was at the choice of the worker e.g. talking, making tea, smoking, sending personal emails etc but some of it was not - e.g. unproductive/overlong meetings, moving from one building to another, mandatory but role-irrelevant company training and socialising.

Much of the second type of unproductive time is now much easier for the homebased worker to avoid.  For example if I am posting on DOSBODS during the day then it's probably because I am simultaneously dialled in to an over-long departmental Zoom presentation on something like Equality and Diversity where I know I only have to actually listen to the first five minutes and the last five minutes as the rest will just be repetition/expansion of those points.  Even better, I can now just skim-read the powerpoint presentation that always gets sent round afterwards.  When I am office based I would have to walk across site to the conference room and then actually sit through the whole 90 minute presentation, (plus 20 minute Q&A or "breakout" session) and then walk back again.  After which, I'm so suicidal that I would then need to go and make a cup of tea and have a pointless stare out of the window for five minutes before getting back to some real work at my desk.

So in terms of my role workload, that 2 hours of "work" never existed in the first place, because it was spent doing something unrelated to my actual role.  Therefore if I now multi-task that time by doing something for me (posting on DOSBODS, doing the ironing, emptying the dishwasher) then the net effect in terms of my role efficiency that day is the same.  But my quality of life feels increased.

I can't be the only one in that situation, which is why I would imagine that a lot of people don't want to go back to an office environment and very few managers can make the case for their staff being less productive when they are working at home because of the significant amount of role-unproductive time that organisations create in the average workday already. 

 

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Popuplights
58 minutes ago, Wight Flight said:

How very dare you.

I am looking forward to my liquid lunch tomorrow. (With my office assistant)

Nice work if you can get it..., Any other benefits?

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3 minutes ago, stop_the_craziness said:

I can't be the only one in that situation, which is why I would imagine that a lot of people don't want to go back to an office environment and very few managers can make the case for their staff being less productive when they are working at home because of the significant amount of role-unproductive time that organisations create in the average workday already. 

I think home working has also shone a light on the fact that most middle management is utterly useless, and can easily be dispensed with. Without the safety, diversity ana similar shit to organise, what are they for?

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