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2 minutes ago, spygirl said:

Dont know.

Adobe are a v successful, high margin company so I'd guess they had an architect in his created a v expensive greenhouse, so given un summer, glare on screen.

https://theblog.adobe.com/new-office-in-londons-shoreditch/

It's in wankerditch.

Specifically, our new home is in the White Collar Factory, a beautiful and cutting edge development by Derwent London, one of London’s most innovative office specialist property regenerators. Derwent London is well known for its design-led philosophy with sustainability at the heart of every development – a great match for Adobe

I've only been there twice. Both times it's been over full with no means of holding the meeting we were there for. And we were only there because they said they had meeting space and no-one in MS had the clout / was organised enough to get a Paddington meeting room (the only person who ever could was me, as even though I was a contractor I had the receptionists' direct dial numbers because I was nice and always spent time talking to them).

Always talk to security guards and reception staff - you can then get away with blue murder.

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sarahbell
3 hours ago, spygirl said:

I longish train commute is good - I sit n think, make notes. I arrive, raring to go.

A long (45m+) in a car, in urban stop n go traffic means I arrive knackered n fuming.

I like my two hours train journey.

Get all my meeting reading done. But seems less safe than I'd want.

3 hours ago, eek said:

There is an  awful lot of software that does exactly what you are joking about (a lot of banks were sold it back in the late 90's until very recently for "security" reasons). A few years back there was a phase of creating gamification within software for exactly that reason.

The reason I'm doing it is that I need something to check actual software usage for license cost saving purposes. But there are a hell of a lot of side benefits / scare stories depending on your viewpoint.

Really? Bizarre. So does it flag up.hours on Facebook?

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6 minutes ago, sarahbell said:

I like my two hours train journey.

Get all my meeting reading done. But seems less safe than I'd want.

Really? Bizarre. So does it flag up.hours on Facebook?

Have you tried buying a ticket n sitting inside?

 Morning train - snooze n think.

7pm train back - whisky!

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31 minutes ago, sarahbell said:

I like my two hours train journey.

Get all my meeting reading done. But seems less safe than I'd want.

Really? Bizarre. So does it flag up.hours on Facebook?

Oh that's old old school. The first program I saw that recorded website visits of staff was released in 1995.

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1 hour ago, spygirl said:

Have you tried buying a ticket n sitting inside?

 Morning train - snooze n think.

7pm train back - whisky!

Standing room only usually going.

Want to be home by 7?

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9 hours ago, gibbon said:

 

It's shit like the above, my own version of hell, full of soy boy passive aggressive SJW wankers, why I could never go back to corporate IT.

You've been to my office then?

On the old project it was all supposed to be peace and brotherly love - cooperation, no deadlines, pair programming, one big fucking hippy hippy shake shake love in circle jerk.

Only you could feel the anger and resentment bubbling in the tight trousered soy's and ET necked SJWs.

We had a footie match organised after work. 5 aside although we were a few more so some people rotated. My god did the aggro come out then with wild tackles, elbows and all. Luckly I'm pretty fit and full of muscles - more Paris St Germain than Snowflake Wanderers so I played the full hour (to the amazement of the Soys) and came out pretty unscathed but a wild tackle on our PM by a dev. in the closing seconds meant she was taken to hospital by ambulance and had 2 months off work for a broken leg!

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On 03/05/2020 at 18:21, gibbon said:

 

Other issues that image can't convey such as lack of even the most basic hygiene lots of IT grunts have...no dress code = entitled to wear the same scummy t-shirt/hoody day after day. Makes me a bit queasy just thinking about it all again.

 

I preferred my employers where there was some kind of dress code or standards, for a multitude of reasons. Offices where soyboys are walking around in Hawaiian shorts and silly t-shirts with ping pong tables and slides ain't my idea of a productive workplace. An SJW paradise like that is a form of hell to me. Perhaps it is "old school" to be okay with dressing smartly, working in your own space and cracking on with your work without the need to play Frisbee at lunch with  twats colleagues.

Working for myself now, I still even dress smartly on a Saturday morning, puts me in a work mode. 

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5 minutes ago, SillyBilly said:

I preferred my employers where there was some kind of dress code or standards, for a multitude of reasons. Offices where soyboys are walking around in Hawaiian shorts and silly t-shirts with ping pong tables and slides ain't my idea of a productive workplace. An SJW paradise like that is a form of hell to me. Perhaps it is "old school" to be okay with dressing smartly, working in your own space and cracking on with your work without the need to play Frisbee at lunch with  twats colleagues.

Working for myself now, I still even dress smartly on a Saturday morning, puts me in a work mode. 

I think that has more to do with the people that company hired rather than the dress code.

Our place has a casual dress code (except when going on site to clients) and it works really well.  People feel comfortable, and get on with the job.  We don't have any kind of play area - not even a canteen - some go out for lunch but most of us eat at our desks.  We did have one chap there for a couple of years that, whilst wearing clean clothes every day, once or twice a week, could have done with taking a shower, but he was the single exception in the 15 years I've been there.  (He was a bloody good worker as well.)

A mate of mine told me of a colleague he had many years ago - a chap who stank to high heaven even though he wore a suit - the problem was that he didn't wash himself or his clothes during the week - the proof of this was you could watch the stains on his shirt build up during the week.  They don't know if his suit ever got washed.

As for getting in to work mode, that's what my drive to work is for.  At the end of the day, my drive home gets me in to relaxing mode.  I've sorely missed my daily commute - it's about 20 miles each way and usually takes about 20 - 25 minutes (without breaking the speed limit) each way as it's almost all dual carridgeway and motorway, and my car is tremendous fun to drive.  Walking to and from the study isn't nearly as much fun, even if I do save about 45 minutes and 10 quid in petrol each day.

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Austin Allegro
On 03/05/2020 at 15:53, Mr Miyagi said:

I work in a large open plan office and find it quite unproductive, the whole ethos of it seems to centre around women having a social life in work. We have now all been sent to WFH which I find a lot more productive. I think things will change after the dust has settled and they will be far more willing to allow those that want to WFH to have that option with the ability to come into the office as and when it is needed.

The days of everyone getting into work at the same time to do things they could do whilst sat in their pants at home should have been kicked into the long grass years ago. Hopefully flexibility when it comes to home working will be a positive outcome of the pandemic. 

Yep, in my experience a lot of office life and 'careers' is designed to make people at management level feel important rather than actually produce anything of value. The bustle of big offices and lots of meetings with bottles of water, presentations etc. The micromanagement and SJW 'initiatives'. The pretence at democracy and creativity, with everyone on first name terms wearing casual clothes hiding absolutely rigid hierarchies and conformity. This kind of thing seems to get worse the bigger the company gets, until you get up to the level of things like the European parliament etc.

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On 03/05/2020 at 18:34, Panther said:

I expect if you turned up for work there in a suit *because you wanted to* your life would be turned into a living hell.

Just look at all those hoodied twats

I sometimes read mens' tailoring fora, and have seen several stories of men actually taken aside by their bosses and told that they are not to wear a suit and tie to work, even though the company has no dress code.

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Watched a VE Day celebration the other day with old, rescued footage of a country and a people that used to be. Pretty much 99.9% white and together, united - London featuring heavily. Five years of strife, loss, sacrifice and perseverance to preserve a way of life and to stop tyranny.

Had they crystal balls and a view of the future very doubtful they'd have thought it worthwhile. They could not have imagined the Britain of today. Have the cultural and demographic changes been for the best? The change to the country is quite something. London now white British a minority!

Likewise SJWs would find the footage hard to reconcile - where was the diversity?

 

 

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On 03/05/2020 at 18:34, Panther said:

I expect if you turned up for work there in a suit *because you wanted to* your life would be turned into a living hell.

Just look at all those hoodied twats

That is a pit of fucking hell.

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25 minutes ago, Austin Allegro said:

Yep, in my experience a lot of office life and 'careers' is designed to make people at management level feel important rather than actually produce anything of value. The bustle of big offices and lots of meetings with bottles of water, presentations etc. The micromanagement and SJW 'initiatives'. The pretence at democracy and creativity, with everyone on first name terms wearing casual clothes hiding absolutely rigid hierarchies and conformity. This kind of thing seems to get worse the bigger the company gets, until you get up to the level of things like the European parliament etc.

You have just described the ExxonMobil Houston Campus. 10 thousand people.  Blokes all wearing khaki slacks, a white vest with a shirt. No ties. 

I get funny looks for wearing a short sleeve shirt.

And TVs on every floor showing corporate guff, and promoting the latest celebration week.

Women, Hispanics, Black's, Asians.

Not seen the "White men who actually built the company" celebration week. Not holding my breath.

 

 

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I wore a suit and tie/smart trousers, nice shirt and tie every day for 15 years, with the justification being that we might have a customer visit us out of the blue.  Once, in 15 years, and they weren't wearing a tie.

Had a guy start working for us who wore casual shirts and then t shirts.  His quality of work is excellent and always has been, regardless of what he chose to wear.  I now wear casual shirts and t-shirts to work.  Lots less ironing and I can save suits for special occasions rather than dull every day office wear.

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I wore suits in cities that had temperate climates.

I wore casual in cities that had tropical climates.

I wear shorts at the beach

 

it's not that complex, honest

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Spoke with a friend who is a London black cab driver. He rents his cab and gave it back to the rental company mid March. I asked him when he was going back to work.

He reckons without flights,tourists, high end office workers,  private schools  and trains there will be no work for him. but will review it  end of next month.

His main hope is that people will be so scared of the tube that cabs  pick up some business  because of this.

Only a certain demographic use his services. He is a luxury item.

The rental company will be left with alot of unused black cabs for  the foreseeable future.

Black cabs have been under massive pressure from Uber but maybe their day has now come.

 

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PatronizingGit
On 03/05/2020 at 18:43, spygirl said:

Cutting edge involves looks of glare and windows that dont open.

I hear that. My brand new (in 2000,anyway) university campus was described as 'cutting edge' By cutting edge, they meant lots of glass, which meant freezing in winter, boiling in summer. Of course, they had an 'eco friendly' cooling system. Which translated into 'we arent paying for air-con' and instead let channels of wind in that would quite easily throw your notes across the room. 

 

I always just headed for the windowless 70s library on the old campus instead of the 'bathed in natural light' 2000s fish tank variant. Far easier to work when you dont have constant distractions out the window & sun and cloud continually altering light levels. I wish this obsession with almost entirely glass buildings would die a death. Beyond airport terminals, I dont really think it works. 

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PatronizingGit
On 03/05/2020 at 18:34, Panther said:

I expect if you turned up for work there in a suit *because you wanted to* your life would be turned into a living hell.

Just look at all those hoodied twats

lol. I remember when I was in Sixth form, and the Goth thing was at its peak then. I reckon about one in every 6 or 7 came in dressed in Goth everyday. Of course, it was dress to show their 'difference' 'individuality' and 'repudiation of norms'

I always though 'want to be really different - come to sixth form in a suit and tie!'

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On 03/05/2020 at 15:53, Mr Miyagi said:

I work in a large open plan office and find it quite unproductive, the whole ethos of it seems to centre around women having a social life in work. We have now all been sent to WFH which I find a lot more productive. I think things will change after the dust has settled and they will be far more willing to allow those that want to WFH to have that option with the ability to come into the office as and when it is needed.

The days of everyone getting into work at the same time to do things they could do whilst sat in their pants at home should have been kicked into the long grass years ago. Hopefully flexibility when it comes to home working will be a positive outcome of the pandemic. 

 

Its long seemed to me once companies get to a certain size, they become mini-nations in their own right. All these libertarians blast on about the free market, and yet the corporate culture & its attempts to mash together personal and work life seems very totalitarian...they even seem to yearn for regulations where they can police their staffs personal/private/off work social media. Big businesses seem every bit as bureaucratic as governments.

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3 hours ago, chicker said:

Spoke with a friend who is a London black cab driver. He rents his cab and gave it back to the rental company mid March. I asked him when he was going back to work.

He reckons without flights,tourists, high end office workers,  private schools  and trains there will be no work for him. but will review it  end of next month.

His main hope is that people will be so scared of the tube that cabs  pick up some business  because of this.

Only a certain demographic use his services. He is a luxury item.

The rental company will be left with alot of unused black cabs for  the foreseeable future.

Black cabs have been under massive pressure from Uber but maybe their day has now come.

 

I've never been convinced that there is much cross over in Black Cab users and Uber users, two distinct different groups. Certainly a case for Uber destroying Mini Cab business but most mini cab firms have Uber drivers anyway.

But yes the layout/design of the black cab is a big bonus in terms of a physical barrier between you and the driver. Just don't touch anything when you get in or out.

 

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JoeDavola
On 03/05/2020 at 13:04, gibbon said:

Things ain't gonna change that much. If you got a job at a software developer/code monkey at a so called "progressive" company, a job which begs remote working or at the very least one man offices for uninterrupted concentration..you'd think employing expensive developers you'd want to maximise their productivity...yet they still pack us into noisy open plan office like sardines.

Here's facebook for example:

Can Facebook Fix Its Own Worst Bug? - The New York Times

Look at the fucking state of it. It's shit like the above, my own version of hell, full of soy boy passive aggressive SJW wankers, why I could never go back to corporate IT.

 

I'm getting a fucking anxiety attack just looking at that.

I spent 6 years of my 20's in a room like that. They even blocked out the fucking windows for some reasons so very little natural light. I loathed it. Chronic stress, being asked to the delier the impossible whilst all around you people are yakking away or noisily playing the company Playstation in the breakout area which was only like 3 m from my desk (I shit you not). I remember being on the phone to a client and having to ask them to repeat themselves because someone was screaming at Fifa on the Playstation a few meters away from me.

It's pretty much torture. Seriously - imagine spending most of your life (given the long hours these jobs entail) in that environment.

Bonus point for anyone who spotted the 'Black Lives Matter' sign on the notice board to the right:

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Our place moved to open plan in recent years after much protest from us. I was lucky that I bagged pretty much the best desk location in the place, and it's a very small open plan office, but it's still nowhere near as good as working from home. They also don't have meeting rooms, so meeting happen in the open plan office, so you have to wear headphones during the meetings especially to block out the crap banter and fake laughs from the meetings.

I think the reasons for the open plan is top level management/accountants treating staff like cattle, and wanting to spend as little as possible on office space so just squeeze them in as tight as possible without breaking the fire safety regulations. I also think lots of lower level managers like to be able to look out and see all their staff....from within their own private offices of course.

And there is, as someone else has mentioned, a type of person for whom coming to the office is mainly to socalize as opposed to actually doing anything difficult that requires concentration and brain power. So they might like open plan.

These offices certainly aren't for the benefit of their staff as most 'workers' hate them and the research shows they are bad for you. It's the human equivalent of factory farming.

 

 

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9 minutes ago, gilf said:

I've never been convinced that there is much cross over in Black Cab users and Uber users, two distinct different groups. Certainly a case for Uber destroying Mini Cab business but most mini cab firms have Uber drivers anyway.

But yes the layout/design of the black cab is a big bonus in terms of a physical barrier between you and the driver. Just don't touch anything when you get in or out.

 

Yeah. The only time in the last decade I've been in a black cab was on the way to my wedding reception - they're quite accommodating of big poofy dresses. Uber for me did replace minicabs but a lot of the journeys they replaced were public transport where I was tired and just wanted to get home - pre Uber I wouldn't have been arsed to phone for a cab and I'd have been too tight to get a black cab.

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Here's the hip new 'co-working' space in Belfast:

111314396-138290ff-88bb-4271-847d-2fbd0f

So you're meant to run your startup by sitting virtually on someone's knee, hunched over squinting at a laptop.

But hey they have free coffee and tea and diabetes inducing snacks! Cool!

 

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2 minutes ago, JoeDavola said:

Here's the hip new 'co-working' space in Belfast:

111314396-138290ff-88bb-4271-847d-2fbd0f

So you're meant to run your startup by sitting virtually on someone's knee, hunched over squinting at a laptop.

But hey they have free coffee and tea and diabetes inducing snacks! Cool!

 

They're renamed the one in Oldham to Create Oldham. Rather than Hack Oldham. 

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34 minutes ago, PatronizingGit said:

I hear that. My brand new (in 2000,anyway) university campus was described as 'cutting edge' By cutting edge, they meant lots of glass, which meant freezing in winter, boiling in summer. Of course, they had an 'eco friendly' cooling system. Which translated into 'we arent paying for air-con' and instead let channels of wind in that would quite easily throw your notes across the room. 

 

I always just headed for the windowless 70s library on the old campus instead of the 'bathed in natural light' 2000s fish tank variant. Far easier to work when you dont have constant distractions out the window & sun and cloud continually altering light levels. I wish this obsession with almost entirely glass buildings would die a death. Beyond airport terminals, I dont really think it works. 

It's the modern progression of brutalism. They aren't going to drop it. It's cheap and is about making you know your place and that there should be no beauty in the world only misery and inhumanity.

 

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