Premier League meet Poop Creek....

[Don Coglione]

6 minutes ago, Frank Hovis said:

They lift them substantially on promotion but don't similarly cut them on relegation so over time they go up and up.

People have moaned but kept buying as long as they could do so.  Now the hard reality is that a lot of their fans cannot afford it or next season because their income has gone down.

They can't cut them for this season because they have already sold a lot of STs, alebit much less than the previous year, so there are going to be a lot of players released and few signed.

My Championship club is £35 POTD and that's a lot for what may be a lacklustre draw in the rain.  For a family of four that's maybe £100 (discounted junior tickets) which is a big amount.

Per the other thread if they "take the knee" on Saturday that's it for me.

Maybe in ten years' time there will have bene a reset, tickets are back to the equivalent of £10 - £15 in today's prices and I'll go back again.  If not then adios.

Does your club offer finance options to facilitate a season ticket purchase, as mine does?

[Frank Hovis]

1 minute ago, Knickerless Turgid said:

Does your club offer finance options to facilitate a season ticket purchase, as mine does?

Yes but in a way that has been like the various props to the housing market or PCP for cars.

The financing options have had to be put in place because the core product - the season ticket - has become too expensive for the avergae fan to buy outright.

Now that the fans can't afford it even with those easy pay options it means that it will have to start coming down in price rather than endlessly going up or being frozen on relegation.

Good.

[Don Coglione]

Just now, Frank Hovis said:

Yes but in a way that has been like the various props to the housing market or PCP for cars.

The financing options have had to be put in place because the core product - the season ticket - has become too expensive for the avergae fan to buy outright.

Now that the fans can't afford it even with those easy pay options it means that it will have to start coming down in price rather than endlessly going up or being frozen on relegation.

Good.

I couldn't agree more, Frank.

It is insane that what was once a working class staple has had to be financialised.

[Frank Hovis]

2 minutes ago, Knickerless Turgid said:

I couldn't agree more, Frank.

It is insane that what was once a working class staple has had to be financialised.

And it was so inexpensive, at a time when travel was epxensive, that men often had season tickets to both local clubs to povide his cheap entertainment every Saturday afternoon.

These would be clubs that are now strong rivals yet this was certainly still the case in the 1950s and 60s; maybe beyond.

Nowadays you would have to be rich rather than poor to be choosing that as your Saturday afternoon entertainemnt.

[Zanu Bob]

24 minutes ago, Frank Hovis said:

They lift them substantially on promotion but don't similarly cut them on relegation so over time they go up and up.

People have moaned but kept buying as long as they could do so.  Now the hard reality is that a lot of their fans cannot afford it or next season because their income has gone down.

They can't cut them for this season because they have already sold a lot of STs, alebit much less than the previous year, so there are going to be a lot of players released and few signed.

My Championship club is £35 POTD and that's a lot for what may be a lacklustre draw in the rain.  For a family of four that's maybe £100 (discounted junior tickets) which is a big amount.

Per the other thread if they "take the knee" on Saturday that's it for me.

Maybe in ten years' time there will have bene a reset, tickets are back to the equivalent of £10 - £15 in today's prices and I'll go back again.  If not then adios.

If I did support football then that would be me too.

I was lost long ago.Saem with Pro rugby and £90 tickets at Twickenham.

[Zanu Bob]

10 minutes ago, Frank Hovis said:

And it was so inexpensive, at a time when travel was epxensive, that men often had season tickets to both local clubs to povide his cheap entertainment every Saturday afternoon.

These would be clubs that are now strong rivals yet this was certainly still the case in the 1950s and 60s; maybe beyond.

Nowadays you would have to be rich rather than poor to be choosing that as your Saturday afternoon entertainemnt.

The financial aspects have meant football has become a hostage to fortune.MSM says you're taking a knee,you're taking a knee.

Much like the banking crisis in 08/09,one month Bernanke is saying sub prime is a small issue maybe $90bn,6 months later 12 out of 13 major banks need a bail out.

The leverage is in the system and cutting the salaries of the people who work in the shop isn't the solution.

Football clubs that owe £100 mn will be a thing of the past in 5 years.

Good.

 

 

 

[Don Coglione]

49 minutes ago, Zanu Bob said:

If I did support football then that would be me too.

I was lost long ago.Saem with Pro rugby and £90 tickets at Twickenham.

I am now lost to football too, for the same reasons. I will be claiming a refund for the remaining games of the season that I am unable to attend with my season ticket.

Good point about rugby. Ironically, since the dawning of the professional era, not only has it become a more expensive game, it has also become less exciting to watch, as the players are so coached and conditioned as to nullify the more potentially thrilling moments. Props should have beer bellies!

[DownwardSpiral]

5 hours ago, Knickerless Turgid said:

I am now lost to football too, for the same reasons. I will be claiming a refund for the remaining games of the season that I am unable to attend with my season ticket.

Good point about rugby. Ironically, since the dawning of the professional era, not only has it become a more expensive game, it has also become less exciting to watch, as the players are so coached and conditioned as to nullify the more potentially thrilling moments. Props should have beer bellies!

Pro 14 is a failing financial product masquerading as rugby. It holds no interest for the majority of Welsh/Scots/Italians. There is still a stronghold in Ireland but I imagine that has more to do with the stronger links to amateurism with GAA being for the glory! Rugby just rides the coattails.

Rugby needs to return to its amateur roots - it is now a corpse.

[Errol]

I'm having nothing to do with this BLM nonsense. Not watching any of the TV matches as long as they are kneeling or making political statements every minute.

[sancho panza]

5 hours ago, DownwardSpiral said:

Pro 14 is a failing financial product masquerading as rugby. It holds no interest for the majority of Welsh/Scots/Italians. There is still a stronghold in Ireland but I imagine that has more to do with the stronger links to amateurism with GAA being for the glory! Rugby just rides the coattails.

Rugby needs to return to its amateur roots - it is now a corpse.

talking to a friend this evening,he made the very good point that matchday takings were rfar more important in rugby than football.

[goldbug9999]

15 hours ago, Frank Hovis said:

There are, as you would expect, a lot of football fans whose income have been hit by CV19, furlough or self-employed, and just these peopel tend to be the long term bulk of teh season ticket holders.

And I'm sure all the BLM / taking the knee bollocks is going to go down really well with footballs target demographic.

[Craig]

17 hours ago, DownwardSpiral said:

Pro 14 is a failing financial product masquerading as rugby. It holds no interest for the majority of Welsh/Scots/Italians. There is still a stronghold in Ireland but I imagine that has more to do with the stronger links to amateurism with GAA being for the glory! Rugby just rides the coattails.

Rugby needs to return to its amateur roots - it is now a corpse.

Not sure what the situation is elsewhere, but here in Scotland there is only a very small group of serious rugby fans/players, mainly from Edinburgh merchant schools and borders farming stock. The remainder of rugby fans are just in it for a day out during the Six Nations. Club rugby is virtually dead.

[Chewing Grass]

Politicising Sport - isn't that something that National Socialists and Communists were into and against the principles of the  Olympic Games.

[sancho panza]

3 hours ago, Craig said:

Not sure what the situation is elsewhere, but here in Scotland there is only a very small group of serious rugby fans/players, mainly from Edinburgh merchant schools and borders farming stock. The remainder of rugby fans are just in it for a day out during the Six Nations. Club rugby is virtually dead.

I lived in Glasgow for some time and hear what you're saying.It was a very middle class sport in the West.

I also lived in NZ for a couple fo years and saw their structure which I think the Irsih/Welsh/Scots have tried to emulate.In NZ The club rugby is played throughout the season,but when the Super 14 (or whatever it is) stops then those players who aren't international,go back and play for their clubs until the provinical championship at the end of the season.Thus great club players (who are amateur) can access the top ranks and get spotted)

It's worth noting theNZ  RFU owns and oversees NZ sides in the Super 14.They really have built their game from the ground up.

Here we have private club owners who have a different set of ambitions to the RFU.

Don't know about SCotland these days but their playing population is tiny and getting smaller as rugby becomes a toffs sport again.

Same in England,less and less state schools playing the game.Hence England side has a lot of kids who went to private school.

 

Moan,Moan,Moan.

 

English hockey has the same problem.

3 hours ago, Chewing Grass said:

Politicising Sport - isn't that something that National Socialists and Communists were into and against the principles of the  Olympic Games.

BLM is a Marxist venture I believe.Much like Lockdown.