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Religiosity of DOSBODDERs

What are your general religious views?  

71 members have voted

  1. 1. What are your general religious views?

    • Adherent of mainstream religion (Christianity, Buddhism, Islam, etc.)
      8
    • Lapsed adherent of one of the above, but still spiritually inclined towards it
      7
    • Genuine believer in fringe sect (Paganism, Spiritualism, Lizards, etc.)
      1
    • Religious, but have own, heretical, beliefs
      4
    • Agnostic, but interested in religion
      9
    • Agnostic and don't care about it
      9
    • Atheist: what is all this nonsense?
      16
    • Atheist, and believe religion is harmful, and should be actively opposed
      16
    • Fuck off
      5
  2. 2. Views on the after-life. I am:

    • Religious and believe in the afterlife
      8
    • Religious, but agnostic about life after death
      4
    • Religious but disbelieve this aspect
      2
    • Otherwise non-religious, but believe in reincarnation, metempsychosis etc.
      5
    • Non-religious but agnostic about life after death
      11
    • Non-religious and when you're dead, that's it (although some people might remember you for a while)
      39
    • Fuck off
      4
  3. 3. If you were the DEITY building a religion for us mortals, what would you like to include? (This is "multiple choice", so I think you can choose any or all)

    • Supernatural terror
      8
    • Moral code / commandments
      40
    • Adulation for DEITY
      9
    • Sense of community
      37
    • Temples / impressive buildings
      20
    • Life after death
      31
    • Religious music / artworks
      22
    • Arcane rituals
      6
    • Festivals with debauchery, and/or drunkenness
      24
    • Priestly caste & hierarchy
      4
    • Sacred book
      7
    • Strange taboos and purification rites
      6
    • Religious taxes
      4
    • Sense of the sublime
      16
    • Existential dread
      4
    • Gnawing guilt
      2
    • Sexual abuse by priests
      2
    • Seats in the House of Lords (or equivalent political influence)
      4
    • Terrorism
      1
    • Animal or human sacrifice
      4


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The recent "words" thread ended up morphing into a 5-factor personality test thread. I guess I was half expecting to find us a disagreeable bunch or curmudgeons; but actually the most striking thing was that all the dosbodders who posted scored very highly on the "openness" axis. Since that correlates to (amongst other things) an interest in religion, I thought we could have a poll...

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Some of the theories about the Universe being a simulation are interesting. That even the creators of the simulation might also be in a Universe which is a simulation and so on and so on. Trillions of Universe simulations creating other Universe simulations, all believing that they are the original one when we are all simulations.

Then you have theories like the Mandela Affect or the Boltzmann Brain - the former being glitches in the simulation that gives evidence that we are in a simulation. The latter being that everything just this moment sprung into existence, with a complete knowledge of the present and past.

One of my favourite theories is that God has forgotten he is God and now spends his time typing nonsense on the internet and chatting up hot women in the crusty roll aisle at Sainsbury's.

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5 minutes ago, The Masked Tulip said:

One of my favourite theories is that God has forgotten he is God and now spends his time typing nonsense on the internet and chatting up hot women in the crusty roll aisle at Sainsbury's.

It's Waitrose you pathetic mortal.

And I didn't forget, I just got bored.

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I heard recently that a FoaF has started with Scientology.

Whilst I may be in a minority here in thinking that religion is a good thing I exclude Scientology (and fundamentalist Islam for obvious reasons) because it is a con dreamt up in the fifties by a science fiction writer.

I was very specific as to why it is not only nonsense but toxic to the individual because as part of the personality tests / "auditing" they take and record people's most intimate secrets which they then threaten to reveal should later on the person look to leave or speak out against it.

It's a religion with all the answers for life, even though they are fake and were written by Ron Hubbard between sci fi books, so appeals to the stupid.

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Speaking as a lapsed ex-believer in fringe spirituality who views evangelical atheism as a dangerous mental illness...

...I don't think there are enough boxes for me to tick.

And that's the problem.

When people try to fit God in a box - it invariably turns out that their 'box' has a lid that screws down and four brass carrying handles. And that's the problem. A 'god' who fits into that box isn't God at all. So we end up complaining that God isn't playing fair - why won't He just fit in that damn box?

As CS Lewis put it allegorically, "He's not a Tame Lion!"

What convinced me about the reality of Jesus?

The nearest thing on your list is the 'sense of the sublime' box. An experience that is difficult to describe - you become aware of the reality of God's presence and power. Other mystical writers have described it far more eloquently that I can in a forum post.

You also left miracles off your list. Any reason for that?

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2 minutes ago, stokiescum said:

Satanism gets a bad press

That's because the reporters are understandably upset when they find out it's all about deflowering virgins instead of sacrificing them.

"Man shags gullible girl" isn't going to win you a Pulitzer!

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38 minutes ago, Frank Hovis said:

I heard recently that a FoaF has started with Scientology.

The only thing you can do for them practically at this stage is let them know you'll be there for them when they inevitably crash and burn out of it.

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2 hours ago, The Masked Tulip said:

Some of the theories about the Universe being a simulation are interesting. That even the creators of the simulation might also be in a Universe which is a simulation and so on and so on. Trillions of Universe simulations creating other Universe simulations, all believing that they are the original one when we are all simulations.

Then you have theories like the Mandela Affect or the Boltzmann Brain - the former being glitches in the simulation that gives evidence that we are in a simulation. The latter being that everything just this moment sprung into existence, with a complete knowledge of the present and past.

One of my favourite theories is that God has forgotten he is God and now spends his time typing nonsense on the internet and chatting up hot women in the crusty roll aisle at Sainsbury's.

 

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2 hours ago, Option5 said:

Difference between cult and religion?

I'd disagree. Although, there are obvious examples we can point to like Joseph Smth Jr; some people at the top of some cults really do drink their own Kool-Aid. And conversely, you will find people at the bottom of the hierarchy who hit a crisis of conscience very early on and said, "Fuck it! It may be a load of cobblers, but it provides me with something that real life is denying me!"

I'd see the relationship between cult and religion to be similar to that of parasite and host.

 

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My thoughts on religion are firmly in the agnostic camp. Have no reason to believe in sky fairies but reserve the right to change my mind should evidence convince me. Same with the afterlife. 

I leave people to get on with their own mysticism as long as they:

1. Aren't destructive with it.

2. Don't aggressively push their ideas onto me. 

 

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3 hours ago, The Masked Tulip said:

Then you have theories like the Mandela Affect

While watching the 1989 Division 1 title decider between Liverpool and Arsenal on ITV4 the other night I had a distinct recollection that Kevin Richardson played - briefly (that's an important point in this, I think) - for Sunderland. According to Wikipedia, he didn't. But I distinctly remember it!

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26 minutes ago, unregistered_guest said:

I'd see the relationship between cult and religion to be similar to that of parasite and host.

 

I see it as parasite on a bigger parasite.

Fleas on rats.

Look how many believers live in poverty while their "spiritual advisors" live in luxury. American and African pastors are renowned for this.

However having said that I have no problem with people believing whatever makes them feel good, as long as they don't try to force their beliefs on me.

Ramen 🙂

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My career specialism is the restoration and repair of ecclesiastical buildings. So for 25 odd years I've been regularly walking around cathedrals, churches, abbeys, convents etc and liaising with the various clergy associated with these buildings. I admire the architecture hugely and get a lot of job satisfaction from being involved in the projects.

I've been a non believer since my early teens. It does allow for an interesting perspective (because of my job). I'm pleased to say that, in the main, it is all business and religion doesn't get in the way. I get on very well with most senior clergy (and they probably know that I am a heathen). Not yet had a thorough chat about religion with a vicar or dean but it would, I'm sure, be quite fascinating if it happened.

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4 minutes ago, Sasquatch said:

Not yet had a thorough chat about religion with a vicar or dean but it would, I'm sure, be quite fascinating if it happened.

I'd like to think that if they were being candid they would admit they were going through the motions and it was a job the same as any other.

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11 minutes ago, eight said:

I'd like to think that if they were being candid they would admit they were going through the motions and it was a job the same as any other.

You may well be right. Everything is a business of some sort this days.

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3 hours ago, The Masked Tulip said:

Some of the theories about the Universe being a simulation are interesting. That even the creators of the simulation might also be in a Universe which is a simulation and so on and so on. Trillions of Universe simulations creating other Universe simulations, all believing that they are the original one when we are all simulations.

Then you have theories like the Mandela Affect or the Boltzmann Brain - the former being glitches in the simulation that gives evidence that we are in a simulation. The latter being that everything just this moment sprung into existence, with a complete knowledge of the present and past.

One of my favourite theories is that God has forgotten he is God and now spends his time typing nonsense on the internet and chatting up hot women in the crusty roll aisle at Sainsbury's.

When I first heard someone talking about the simulation thing I thought it sounded ridiculous.  But then thinking about the the logic when taking in increasingly complicated computer power that we've witnessed and as a layman bystander seems to be on a exponential trajectory, it made a lot more sense.

Think it was Elon musk who said far far greater chance we are in one than not - as in he was looking at future technological growth and thinking potential of creating a simulation.. So if it is ever possible then unlikely we are not the first and are already in one.

Anyway what struck me was that 50- 100 years ago this thought wouldn't have even been possible.  Pretty agnostic about everything all the same 

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12 minutes ago, Dogtania said:

When I first heard someone talking about the simulation thing I thought it sounded ridiculous.  But then thinking about the the logic when taking in increasingly complicated computer power that we've witnessed and as a layman bystander seems to be on a exponential trajectory, it made a lot more sense.

Think it was Elon musk who said far far greater chance we are in one than not - as in he was looking at future technological growth and thinking potential of creating a simulation.. So if it is ever possible then unlikely we are not the first and are already in one.

Anyway what struck me was that 50- 100 years ago this thought wouldn't have even been possible.  Pretty agnostic about everything all the same 

The BBC reminded me of this E. M. Forster book written over 100 years ago.

Apposite for the Covid era.

The Machine Stops

The story describes a world in which most of the human population has lost the ability to live on the surface of the Earth. Each individual now lives in isolation below  ground in a standard room, with all bodily and spiritual needs met by the omnipotent, global Machine. Travel is permitted, but is unpopular and rarely necessary. Communication is made via a kind of instant messaging/video conferencing machine with which people conduct their only activity: the sharing of ideas and what passes for knowledge.

Spoiler alert, they all die 9_9

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I think you need an option on there that makes the distinction between 'religion' and 'faith'

Many people have a faith, or a 'moral code' that they adhere to, but they do it for themselves - not because an evil manipulation organisation is using it to exert power of them 

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