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Joan of Arc, #fakenews and the MSM


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10 hours ago, Dave Bloke said:

Following on the thread where the "Madness of Crowds" book is mentioned I thought I'd tell you a little story. Something that has resonance even today.

We all know the story of Joan of Arc, the maid of Orleans?

Or at least we think we do. The young peasant girl who heard the voices of the saints and came out of nowhere to kick  English arses out of France. It all sounds too good to be true, and it is.

Sometimes a a series of unconnected events just falls too perfectly into place. Like someone has been playing us for years. Behind the fairly-tale of Joan was the little known Yolande of Aragon. She was at the heart of all the important events in the first half of the 15th century. A kind of proto George Soros of her time, pulling the levers of power, nudging the populace, wheeling and dealing. A woman of power, the real power of influence exercised from the shadows of history. Yolande was the granddaughter of the King of France Jean le Bon. When her husband died she was 37 years old and had five children. She inherited her husband's titles to become the Queen of the Four Kingdoms: Sicily, Naples, Jerusalem and Hungary and reunited the two duchies of Lorraine and Bar.

Playing the long game

She was said to be both beautiful and intelligent. Like an expert chess player she could see many moves ahead. In 1413, when there appeared to be no real reason, she engaged her 9 year old daughter Marie to the 10 year old Charles de Ponthieu, third in line to the French throne with little prospects. Charles was moved to Yolande's home with his mother Isabeau of Bavaria's agreement to be trained by Yolande far away from the French court intrigue and plots. Two years later the Dauphin Louis died in mysterious circumstance, probably poisoning. Two years after Jean, his brother, dies in turn. Charles becomes the Dauphin in 1417. Isabeau realizes her error but too late but Yolande lays down a challenge "Come and take him if you dare!". Isabeau signs the Treaty of Troyes that disinherits Charles in favour of the English king Henry VI

Charles and Marie are married in 1422 but there is a new threat. In 1423 Anjou is besieged by "les Anglois" under William de la Poole, Earl of Suffolk. Enraged Yolande mounts a fine white war horse and in armour shining in the sun she rides out at the head of an army to do battle. The English soldiers are panicked by this woman on a snorting horse and believe her to be the devil. They scatter to the four winds. Does this act foreshadow Joan's own actions a few year's later? Did Yolande already have an idea in her head to save the throne of France for her son.

Robert de Baudricourt, the army captain and lord of the manor is a close follower of Yolande. Jacques d'Arc of Domrémy is in his direct service. Jacques is a local notable with 50 acres of land. Rather than the story of Baudricourt initially refusing Joan's request to meet the king it appears the plot had been brewing for a long time before 1428. As long as Joan had been having visions of the saints. Yolande was a Franciscan and from the early 1420s the Franciscans monk network had been spreading stories of a virgin maid that would appear from nowhere to lead the French army to victory over the English. A seer, Marie Robine predicted that "The kingdom was "lost by a woman (Isabeau) and will be saved by a virgin (Joan)". The Wizard Merlin had himself predicted centuries before "that a maid from the forest of wood would save France" - was there not was a mighty oak forest at Domrémy? Fervor among the believers is at fever pitch. Fear pervades the English camp that they will have to face an envoy sent by god himself.

When plans come together

The religious orders of medieval France were highly politicized and served as a kind of proto-social network. Joan's visions were a cover story, Baudricourt had two of his officers Jean de Metz and Bertrand de Poulangy start Jeanne's military instruction with the religious and intellectual instruction provided by the nuns of Bourlémont, Gondrecourt and Joinville. On the battlefield Jeanne's banner carries the words "Jhesus Maria" which is the motto of the Franciscans. Events start to move faster. in 1425 Yolande imposes Arthur de Richemont, brother of the duke of Brittany to take charge of military operations. Richemont is made constable of France. In 1427 he arrests Lord Pierre de Giac, head of council and a dangerous influence on Charles. De Giac is sewn into a leather sack and thrown alive into a river.

In March 1428 Joan is at Chinon with Yolande and Baudricourt, they have a secret meeting with Charles before the famous public introduction where Joan is supposed to pick Charles out from a crowd of people. Joan is surrounded by followers of Yolande and it is she that finances the army. Her chaplain is a Franciscan Jean Paquerel. Everything is set for the showdown with the English at Orleans. The French forces have renewed courage as the prophecy has come true and shows that god is on their side.

Did she have big tits?

I went out with a girl from Rennes who had massive boobs.

And hair under her arm pits.

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Very interesting. One suspects it was both in Yolande’s interests to promote Joan of Arc as a visionary national Saint and for her martyrs death at the hands of the English. She was with the rear guard of her troops when they were ambushed and she was captured by the Burgundians. According to the accounts her army was retreating into Compiegne when  the drawbridge was drawn up and portcullis of the town was dropped leaving her outside where she was captured. It looks very much like she was betrayed by her own side who thought she had outlived her usefulness as a military figure head. It seems the French crown made no attempt to ransom her back from the Burgundians. Rather stupidly the English also played into the trap by buying her, putting her on trial and making her a martyr.  Not really a surprise as Henry VI probably ranks in the top three of the list of the most useless kings in British history.

http://unusualhistoricals.blogspot.com/2013/04/traitors-turncoats-betrayal-of-joan-of.html?m=1

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1) It's amazing how many historical "facts" we learn through pure fiction, and accept as truth

2) MSM do some background checks on what they post, so they don't often reburp internet fictional memes. This happens quite a lot here, and other forums, as people re-burp what they want to believe.

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17 hours ago, spygirl said:

@One percent will see the connection in the post you are responding to.

Wheels within wheels.

 

One percent couldn't connect a pair of socks to her fucking feet.

And the only connection you have with the real world is via your 1958 edition of the Perry Mason Book for Boys...

 

XYY

 

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15 minutes ago, The XYY Man said:

One percent couldn't connect a pair of socks to her fucking feet.

And the only connection you have with the real world is via your 1958 edition of the Perry Mason Book for Boys...

 

XYY

 

No such book 😂

1st Perry Mason book was 1933.

 

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1 hour ago, The XYY Man said:

One percent couldn't connect a pair of socks to her fucking feet.

And the only connection you have with the real world is via your 1958 edition of the Perry Mason Book for Boys...

 

XYY

 

Better that than your full collection of Liberace's Book of young Boys, 1950 to 1988

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9 hours ago, MrPin said:

MSM do some background checks on what they post, so they don't often reburp internet fictional memes.

Leaving any -isms out of it - do some financial trading based solely on MSM (No cheating and looking in The Basement) and let me know how you get on xD

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On 05/06/2020 at 15:47, MrPin said:

Many fake characters from history. King Arthur, Robin Hood,etc.

Be careful MrPin as many 'myths' are based on a certain folk knowledge and ultimately a level of truth although the names and places have been romanticised over time.

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