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The fall of the Roman empire


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9 minutes ago, Bornagain said:

The text at the bottom of this  is copied directly off wikipedia. If you changed the dates and names then you could use pretty much the same words to describe the end of Europe as we know it.

I am sure there is no need to point out who the barbarians, goths and huns are.

From my perspective, a lot of what has been going on for the last 5-10 years fits into the narrative of a collapse.

As people we have become self obsessed with our rights and life expectations  and seem to actively encourage self destructive behaviour and then blame the inevitable car-crash results on somebody else - my life is shit because society is racist, sexist, transphobic, fattist, mysogenistic, unfair etc etc 

Identity politics has gone mainstream, popular culture is all about feelings, and a refusal to accept the cold facts. Nobody seems to accept that a shit life is usually the result of a series of piss poor, short term decisions that they have made over an extended period of time, and that to improve your lot you need to start thinking and acting for the long term.

People seem keen to self-identify as a victim and blame somebody or something else.  The larger part of the grudges that the BLM crowd complain about would be overcome if the feckless element of the black community started to take reponsibility for there own problems, value a family life and bring up children in a stable family unit with a mother and father, pay attention at school and value eduction and work. This is not a difficult concept to grasp and yet the liberal left seem to ignore it and blame the larger society for the failure of a large element of the black population to do well. You only have to look at the (brown) Indians and (yellow) Chinese to see how an immigrant population that has good family values and admires education and hard work can do in the UK.

As all of this is going on, we seem happy to allow very large numbers of barbarians into the country who will only make the situation a lot worse by establishing ghetos ruling themselves with their own codes of acceptable behaviour - and a number of our Northern towns demonstrate that this does not end well.

I think that our society is in real danger of collapsing as the hard working, tax paying minority just say fuck it and stop engaging with the state and paying for all this. What happens then I cannot begin to imagine. UK government can only print money for so long before it is essentially worthless.

 

 

This is, I think, essentially where we need to get to. 

How long it will take I don't know but I think the cost of energy increasing will have a lot to do with it.

At the moment, cheap energy underpins everything, with it society can carry loads of unproductive population.

Once the cheap energy is gone, then things start to unravel.

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I see American ghettoisation as the logical next step here. So much for multiculturalism. Clearly we already have it but we're not Detroit levels yet but we'll get there. I am expecting South African style gated communities (probably exclusively white) and our inner cities resembling third world shitholes. I am 30 so with my health allowing I expect I may live to see it. 

I am hoping Iceland stays intact, I quite fancy learning the language and retiring there in my 50s. Enclaves are the future.

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13 minutes ago, Bornagain said:

Peak Oil seems to be like Nuclear fusion, always just round the corner but never actually arriving.

 

Peak oil will be delayed a bit, because of more solar,etc

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I would suggest that wind is what will delay peak oil.

That's counted, in the "etc". People seem to be keen on electric cars, so no government incentives are needed.

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1 hour ago, Darude said:

Fun fact, Ayn Rand spent her last years on benefits and consuming state-funded medical care.

One of my favourite hobbies is sending people a 'free' electronic copy of Atlas Shrugged, with a quick note that 'Ayn Rand would have appreciated her philosophical ideas to be disseminated to as many people as possible for nothing'.

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I've given up in the past few weeks. I don't think Western civilisation can be saved now. It's over. I've spent the past few days trying to work out how the US will fall apart.

This is an excellent podcast on The Fall of Rome.

It is worth noting that even just a couple of decades before the end and with the empire obviously falling apart to even the most-dimwitted observer, the internal power struggles were still more important to the Roman elite: the famous and enormously successful general Flavius Aetius was assassinated shortly after he had defeated the Huns, the Romans just surrendered Roman Britain when the army leader went back to Rome to fight in a civil war.

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2 hours ago, dgul said:

One of my favourite hobbies is sending people a 'free' electronic copy of Atlas Shrugged, with a quick note that 'Ayn Rand would have appreciated her philosophical ideas to be disseminated to as many people as possible for nothing'.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Going Galt

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The conservative version of "I'm movin' to Canada!" Referring to John Galt from Ayn Rand's novel "Atlas Shrugged", Going Galt means leaving what you see as a society crumbling in on itself and going somewhere else to watch it all burn to the ground.

 

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2 hours ago, Stunley Andwin said:

I've given up in the past few weeks. I don't think Western civilisation can be saved now. It's over. I've spent the past few days trying to work out how the US will fall apart.

This is an excellent podcast on The Fall of Rome.

It is worth noting that even just a couple of decades before the end and with the empire obviously falling apart to even the most-dimwitted observer, the internal power struggles were still more important to the Roman elite: the famous and enormously successful general Flavius Aetius was assassinated shortly after he had defeated the Huns, the Romans just surrendered Roman Britain when the army leader went back to Rome to fight in a civil war.

People on the inside rarely see wha tis obvious. There were tales of German generals buying property in Poland in the final stages of the war. Only in early 1945 did they actually realize they were going to lose.

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I have stumbled across this today, it is an interview of the extremely eminent black economist Thomas Sowell.

He is an interesting fellow, dropped out of education to join the marines fighting in Korea, came back and worked his way through college and into academia.

He could easily be a DOSBODer.

Its a long listen, but very worthwhile. He has some very interesting things to say about the problems of society which are very relevant to my rant at the beginning of this page.

Best quote "Tom Sowells view is get an education, stay married and do your job"

 

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I watched that the other day.  Great bloke, would love to have a chat with him.

There is a great Chris Rock sketch i didn't post just in case but if you search for Chris Rock The Media you'll find it.

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  On 09/06/2020 at 16:39, Loki said:

I watched that the other day.  Great bloke, would love to have a chat with him.

There is a great Chris Rock sketch i didn't post just in case but if you search for Chris Rock The Media you'll find it.


Not that one?

 

Not sure why I can't find Loki's original post, but that is perhaps the best treatise on race in the last 25 years (I find it hard to believe that it dates from 1996).

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3 minutes ago, Knickerless Turgid said:
  On 09/06/2020 at 16:39, Loki said:

I watched that the other day.  Great bloke, would love to have a chat with him.

There is a great Chris Rock sketch i didn't post just in case but if you search for Chris Rock The Media you'll find it.


Not that one?

 

Not sure why I can't find Loki's original post, but that is perhaps the best treatise on race in the last 25 years (I find it hard to believe that it dates from 1996).

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Oops for the reference to Minnesota, though...

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10 hours ago, wherebee said:

https://au.news.yahoo.com/candidate-who-challenged-in-scott-morrisons-seat-arrested-for-child-pornography-092522584.html

As good a place as any for this.

It's my belief that a higher proportion than normal of SJWs are really fucked up people.  Do we have a thread for reports?

My view is the more virtuous they appear to be the ore dodgy and horrible people they actually are

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