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Hoisted by their own Petard thread


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17 minutes ago, feed said:

i kind of feel sorry for her.  She has been lied to her entire life, by the people who are supposed to prepare for adult life.  

She has a Harvard degree and how ever much debt that means, but is still so uneducated that she doesn't know that threatening to stab people will have implications in the real world.  Her behavior is that of a 5 year old.   It’s thoroughly depressing. 
 

The vanity of the online video tears and her incredulous reaction removed any sympathy I may have potentially had.

I wouldn't want someone like that making me a sandwich.

I worked on a university campus for a while in the early 2000's and I was shocked at the level to which they were all being thoroughly infantalised even back then, only ten years after I had been an undergraduate myself.

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27 minutes ago, feed said:

i kind of feel sorry for her.  She has been lied to her entire life, by the people who are supposed to prepare for adult life.  

She has a Harvard degree and how ever much debt that means, but is still so uneducated that she doesn't know that threatening to stab people will have implications in the real world.  Her behavior is that of a 5 year old.   It’s thoroughly depressing. 
 

You have to ask yourself, how did she get an Harvard degree, if she displays such poor judgment and reasoning skills?

Did she pay someone to write her thesis? Or are Harvard degrees no longer worth the parchment that they are written on?

Oh and by the way, it’s Hoist by your own Petard, not Hoisted. 
You can tell I went to Yale 😂

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28 minutes ago, feed said:

i kind of feel sorry for her.  She has been lied to her entire life, by the people who are supposed to prepare for adult life.  

She has a Harvard degree and how ever much debt that means, but is still so uneducated that she doesn't know that threatening to stab people will have implications in the real world.  Her behavior is that of a 5 year old.   It’s thoroughly depressing. 
 

I don’t feel remotely sorry for her. She had the immense privilege of a Harvard education and, through her own actions, threw it all away. Someone who could have done something positive with that start in life was prevented from doing so when Harvard gave her the place and she stole that from them. So fuck her all the way to skid row I say.

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Just now, MrLibertyRedux said:

The vanity of the online video tears and her incredulous reaction removed any sympathy I may have potentially had.

I wouldn't want someone like that making me a sandwich.

I worked on a university campus for a while in the early 2000's and I was shocked at the level to which they were all being thoroughly infantalised even back then, only ten years after I had been an undergraduate myself.

She’s an utter child. But whose fault is that?   I be prepared to bet that no one has ever said to her, no that’s not acceptable behavior.   Her outbursts in the past have no doubt always worked and she has always got what she wanted. She appears to have the emotionally maturely of a 5 year old. She's been let lose on the world and now her tantrum is there for the world to see forever.  

I see similar behavior in in our grads all the time.    Day after day they’re told they are the best of the best and are going to change the world, whilst being billed 1000’s and not challenged in any way at all.  Not quite the same level of cultural Marxism and they’re bright kids.  But they are utterly clueless as to how the world actually works.  

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Just now, DocH said:

Her attitude is not one of "I said something really mean and I suppose I deserve some kind of punishment and i realise i shouldn't have said it" but one of "That horrible Trump crowd got me fired for no reason, the bastards", so i dont think she's got what should have been a loud and clear message yet...

But to her, she’s not said something mean.  She’s said something she has been encourage to say, rewarded for saying her entire life. The echo chambers these kids live in, it’s akin to religious dogma.  

As I said, utterly depressing. 
 

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Well to me it`s all bollocks  

Yep saying you would stab someone is daft but should that impact your employment if it had no direct connection to it i would say no it should not 

BUT and it`s a big but it was her and her types of beliefs and ideology that lead to her being sacked, you reap what you sow so fuck her 

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The audit firm dodged a bullet there; she reminded me of this one from a couple of weeks ago.

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On one occasion Miss Lu asked manager Matt Brunton 'who was he as a man to be telling her what she can and cannot wear?' after she turned up at the firm's Canary Wharf office in London wearing jeans and a jumper.

In a 'loud and aggressive tirade' she then asked whether he thought her bra was appropriate and tried to show him her bra strap, an East London tribunal was told.

Several weeks later, Miss Lu got into another argument after she was spotted helping herself to large amounts of food at a work lunch.

'She attended with a number of containers to put food into and made several visits taking away food in containers on each occasion,' the tribunal heard.

'Despite being asked not to take the food, she did not stop. On at least one occasion that day she was very rude to staff stating she was going to take the food notwithstanding their protestations.'

She also refused to sit on the same floor as the rest of the Insurance team, commandeering a meeting room five floors below in which she installed a rice cooker.

She repeatedly referred to a senior member of the firm as 'the bald partner' despite knowing his name, and told a female colleague she 'looked terrible' at work, the panel was told.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8446689/Trainee-KPMG-accountant-sacked-launching-tirade-boss-accusing-mansplaining.html

 

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19 minutes ago, feed said:

She’s an utter child. But whose fault is that?   I be prepared to bet that no one has ever said to her, no that’s not acceptable behavior.   Her outbursts in the past have no doubt always worked and she has always got what she wanted. She appears to have the emotionally maturely of a 5 year old. She's been let lose on the world and now her tantrum is there for the world to see forever.  

I see similar behavior in in our grads all the time.    Day after day they’re told they are the best of the best and are going to change the world, whilst being billed 1000’s and not challenged in any way at all.  Not quite the same level of cultural Marxism and they’re bright kids.  But they are utterly clueless as to how the world actually works.  

As I was still reading your first paragraph, the thought was forming In my head that we are going to see a lot more of this sort of thing, as people who have been brought up to believe that they are little princes and princesses who can do no wrong in a world with no losers, only winners run headlong into harsh reality.

But you beat me to it in your second paragraph; it seems we are already there.

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5 minutes ago, feed said:

She’s an utter child. But whose fault is that?   I be prepared to bet that no one has ever said to her, no that’s not acceptable behavior.   Her outbursts in the past have no doubt always worked and she has always got what she wanted. She appears to have the emotionally maturely of a 5 year old. She's been let lose on the world and now her tantrum is there for the world to see forever.  

I see similar behavior in in our grads all the time.    Day after day they’re told they are the best of the best and are going to change the world, whilst being billed 1000’s and not challenged in any way at all.  Not quite the same level of cultural Marxism and they’re bright kids.  But they are utterly clueless as to how the world actually works.  

Yes. I used to share a staff room with the Librarians and Info Specialists, mainly women, and on several occasions at their request stepped in to deal with "behaviour" issues in the library. I ended up properly squaring up against one bloke - I swear up until that point he had gone through the entire education system and never had his behaviour pulled up to any degree, if at all.

It was a good job I wasn't there for long or I would have probably been the one who ended up in bother eventually with the "pastoral army" or thought police they have.

The ladies in question were very vocal about how the levels of behaviour were becoming intolerable but the university just kept letting it go. They were fairly mild mannered academic sorts, historian with a PHD from Cambridge, that type of thing, and not used to dealing with what was close to thuggery. A shame, as the staff were lovely people and baked shed loads of cakes.

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8 minutes ago, Mirror Mirror said:

As I was still reading your first paragraph, the thought was forming In my head that we are going to see a lot more of this sort of thing, as people who have been brought up to believe that they are little princes and princesses who can do no wrong in a world with no losers, only winners run headlong into harsh reality.

But you beat me to it in your second paragraph; it seems we are already there.

Heinlein once said, each generation thinks it invented sex; each generation is totally mistaken.

It's that taken to it's logical extreme.  

They literally think they'll be running the company in 18 months.  It takes about that long for them to figure out, that yes they are smart but they are working with people who are also smart, well educated and got there before them. 

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1 hour ago, feed said:

Day after day they’re told they are the best of the best and are going to change the world,

They continue to get told this when they enter a grad scheme at a blue-chip. When I had a team at a big IT company, I always used to stick my hand up for grad schemers, because they were cheap, but you always had to get 2 or 3, because half of them were fucking useless, despite having a first class honours degree and surviving the multi-stage application process.

Nowadays, I think I'd rather take school leavers. I guarantee that the ones with a good attitude would be more productive by age 25 than any grad, probably earning more and wouldn't have a massive debt around their necks.  Not that HR would allow you to recruit someone without a meaningless bit of paper.

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51 minutes ago, feed said:

But to her, she’s not said something mean.  She’s said something she has been encourage to say, rewarded for saying her entire life. The echo chambers these kids live in, it’s akin to religious dogma.  

That may be true but I'm OK with her being punished harshly for failing to think for herself. Its a good lesson for others.

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Oh and... typical leftie. They don't like it when their own tactics are used against them.

She should have used her bleeding out/paper cut analogy to shine a light on the disparity between the number of people who've been sacked for espousing mildly right-of-centre views compared to those sacked for espousing batshit-crazy hard-left views.

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8 minutes ago, AWW said:

Nowadays, I think I'd rather take school leavers. I guarantee that the ones with a good attitude would be more productive by age 25 than any grad, probably earning more and wouldn't have a massive debt around their necks.  Not that HR would allow you to recruit someone without a meaningless bit of paper.

It's funny you should say that.  We get kids in on apprenticeships - post A levels.  They are so much better than the grads; on every level.  

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1 hour ago, Frank Hovis said:

The audit firm dodged a bullet there; she reminded me of this one from a couple of weeks ago.

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8446689/Trainee-KPMG-accountant-sacked-launching-tirade-boss-accusing-mansplaining.html

 

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"Zhihui Lu was sacked from KPMG after just three years at the accounting giant"

They put up with that kind of behaviour for three whole fucking years?!

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8 minutes ago, feed said:

It's funny you should say that.  We get kids in on apprenticeships - post A levels.  They are so much better than the grads; on every level.  

Depends on the industry, my experience in IT is anybody without a degree is pretty good, well grounded and a decent worker.

BUT... part of the reason for that is they wouldn't have got anywhere near the job they do now because they would have been filtered out years ago had they not been capable. They have had to work hard at it, the weak ones get weeded out quickly and never make it to the required level.

I'd say half the people going to university these days do so because they think they should or don't want to enter the job market. Anybody stopping at A levels and looking to get some experience are worth a try because they have at least show a bit of ambition.

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18 minutes ago, AWW said:

They continue to get told this when they enter a grad scheme at a blue-chip. When I had a team at a big IT company, I always used to stick my hand up for grad schemers, because they were cheap, but you always had to get 2 or 3, because half of them were fucking useless, despite having a first class honours degree and surviving the multi-stage application process.

Nowadays, I think I'd rather take school leavers. I guarantee that the ones with a good attitude would be more productive by age 25 than any grad, probably earning more and wouldn't have a massive debt around their necks.  Not that HR would allow you to recruit someone without a meaningless bit of paper.

I share your sentiment entirely - some of the best hires I've ever had have been "wild cards".

But what concerns me, is that for some of the higher end stuff, and a lot of STEM fields, blue sky type environments that produce entirely new fields and businesses, you need a base level of basic theory that it is necessary. Certainly not to be learned by a school leaver. Almost the point academia was for, if you like.

This is terryfying for me, as this is how we will fall behind, let alone not advance.

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1 hour ago, DocH said:

"That horrible Trump crowd got me fired for no reason, the bastards"

I can empathise here. She's watched what's happening on social media carefully. Saying "White Lives Matter" will get you and your significant other the sack. Saying the opposite will get you a promotion.

So like all good cargo cultists, she's said the magic words. But the cargo hasn't arrived!

In this situation, you have two choices. Come to your senses and realise it's all a steaming pile of crap; or double down because the bad stuff happened as a result of your own doubts. The majority of true believers choose the latter.

This tension is explained perfectly by neo-Pagan theologian Linus van Pelt in this short expository video clip.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, One percent said:

They wouldn’t have if she was called Jane Smith.  Just sayin’. o.O

Who knows, large company HR departments can be incredibly slow to allow sackings, particularly if there's a hint of mental health issues. What got me was the Daily Mail comment of "after only three years". As if the twat writing the article thinks that it's somehow unreasonable for a company not to allow someone to more or less permanently behave that way.

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