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A shepherdess has just been interviewed on R5 Live. Hill farmer from Howgill.

She said that China stopped buying wool in February. The price of fleece is now only 15p / kg.

The cost of shearing a sheep by a hired-hand is £1.40, so the fleeces are being burnt or composted, and a huge industrial bag of wool is only fetching £10. When Spygirl worked as a shepherd, he could shear a sheep in 5 milliseconds, but he's brilliant at all software.

Hill sheep don't have the best quality/desirable wool, but it's warm, so you ought to be able to approach a farmer and improve the insulation in your loft/walls for low cost; sheep wool is naturally fire-retardant, doesn't give off VOC vapours, is usually one of the the most expensive insulations, and favoured for its sustainability. However, the Wool Marketing Board doesn't permit its farmer members to sell to the public, unless it's rare breed wool!

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46 minutes ago, Nippy said:

A shepherdess has just been interviewed on R5 Live. Hill farmer from Howgill.

She said that China stopped buying wool in February. The price of fleece is now only 15p / kg.

The cost of shearing a sheep by a hired-hand is £1.40, so the fleeces are being burnt or composted, and a huge industrial bag of wool is only fetching £10. When Spygirl worked as a shepherd, he could shear a sheep in 5 milliseconds, but he's brilliant at all software.

Hill sheep don't have the best quality/desirable wool, but it's warm, so you ought to be able to approach a farmer and improve the insulation in your loft/walls for low cost; sheep wool is naturally fire-retardant, doesn't give off VOC vapours, is usually one of the the most expensive insulations, and favoured for its sustainability. However, the Wool Marketing Board doesn't permit its farmer members to sell to the public, unless it's rare breed wool!

Shes talking crap.

Nothing to do with China.

UK sheep farmers are the dumbest of the dumb.

UK wool is rough as bears arse. Theres not a huge demand for it. And UK woll by volume is barely a piss in the sea.

Mix that with the WMB, which was set up for farmers closed shop.

Do *NOT use wool for insulation. Bunch of loons. Prone to mice infestation., once they are in tou are fucked.

 

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Ive shaved ~10 sheep. My time was shit compared to a NZ girl.

Like plastering, shearing is a knack that you re not going to acquire until youve shaved a few 1000 sheep. Then youll know if you are fast or not.

Unless you are working on a farm, where you can fit in shearing with the UK and Oz/NZ seasons than theres no need to bother competing.

Theres some local demand as theres lots of daft hobby farmers, keeping small flocks. Sheep need shearing every year. For a few 2nd farmers sons theres a reasonable side business in going round and shearing the small flocks.

The hobby farmers will have read the sheep horror stories in small holders monthly, so can be relived of hefty sums per sheep - 'Think of me like a vet ...'

The old farmers less so, but you can have the fleece for free as their wifes would be so daft as to try and spin it.

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49 minutes ago, spygirl said:

Shes talking crap.

Nothing to do with China.

UK sheep farmers are the dumbest of the dumb.

UK wool is rough as bears arse. Theres not a huge demand for it. And UK woll by volume is barely a piss in the sea.

Mix that with the WMB, which was set up for farmers closed shop.

Do *NOT use wool for insulation. Bunch of loons. Prone to mice infestation., once they are in tou are fucked.

 

I was going to say the insulation market - campers and alike, people pay a bloody fortune for it.

 

Never sheared a sheep but have cleaned out and rubbed in cream into some right maggoty messes. :Sick1:

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12 minutes ago, onlyme said:

I was going to say the insulation market - campers and alike, people pay a bloody fortune for it.

 

Never sheared a sheep but have cleaned out and rubbed in cream into some right maggoty messes. :Sick1:

I dont know what preparation goes in but theyd need to wash all the oil out and compact the wool.

Even then, theres enough oil left to attract mouse to nibble it.

I know of a few idiots, one a GP surgery, who went the full on green route.

They are pulling all the wool out after having a massive mouse infestation.

Wools fine for one of these rough arse, knock up quick and render single story sheds/garden office.

Anything bigger than fuck it.

The osluition to the excess wool inthe UK is to stop subbing sheep farming.

 

 

 

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Wool has always been a bit like this -- sometimes it is worth something, sometimes it isn't.

Trouble is, over the millennia mankind has bred sheep to hold onto their wool, so that it can be harvested efficiently -- so the sheep have to be sheared otherwise they'll suffer from the heat in summer.  

So, every summer they get sheared, and the farmers hope that the sale of the wool will cover costs (which it doesn't always).

Wool isn't really part of the economic value of sheep (excepting, perhaps, weird breeds -- dunno about them).

The WMB is a weird old thing -- like the MMB it makes sense only if viewing from the period around WWII.

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3 hours ago, Nippy said:

A shepherdess has just been interviewed on R5 Live. Hill farmer from Howgill.

She said that China stopped buying wool in February. The price of fleece is now only 15p / kg.

The cost of shearing a sheep by a hired-hand is £1.40, so the fleeces are being burnt or composted, and a huge industrial bag of wool is only fetching £10. When Spygirl worked as a shepherd, he could shear a sheep in 5 milliseconds, but he's brilliant at all software.

Hill sheep don't have the best quality/desirable wool, but it's warm, so you ought to be able to approach a farmer and improve the insulation in your loft/walls for low cost; sheep wool is naturally fire-retardant (though produces significant amounts of hydrogen cyanide when it does burn*), doesn't give off VOC vapours, is usually one of the the most expensive insulations, and favoured for its sustainability. However, the Wool Marketing Board doesn't permit its farmer members to sell to the public, unless it's rare breed wool!

* I've made a small addition.

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4 hours ago, Nippy said:

A shepherdess has just been interviewed on R5 Live. Hill farmer from Howgill.

She said that China stopped buying wool in February. The price of fleece is now only 15p / kg.

The cost of shearing a sheep by a hired-hand is £1.40, so the fleeces are being burnt or composted, and a huge industrial bag of wool is only fetching £10. When Spygirl worked as a shepherd, he could shear a sheep in 5 milliseconds, but he's brilliant at all software.

Hill sheep don't have the best quality/desirable wool, but it's warm, so you ought to be able to approach a farmer and improve the insulation in your loft/walls for low cost; sheep wool is naturally fire-retardant, doesn't give off VOC vapours, is usually one of the the most expensive insulations, and favoured for its sustainability. However, the Wool Marketing Board doesn't permit its farmer members to sell to the public, unless it's rare breed wool!

When we lived over that way they were building the new WMB premises.  The Telegraph and Argus covered it in this readable article in 2012.

https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/business/9861258.british-wool-marketing-board-on-canal-road-the-largest-commission-wool-grading-company-in-uk/

Lots in there including this tidbit:

"After years in the doldrums, wool is on the up again, driven largely by demand from China, which is now the world’s largest wool textile centre, and last year the Wool Cheque – the money BWMB pays to UK sheep farmers – was the highest since 1985. The amount paid to farmers for the 2010 wool clip increased from 89.6p a kg to 146p a kg.

Maintaining supplies of British wool, 70 per cent of which ends up in carpets, has been a challenge as UK sheep numbers fell from nearly 65 million in 1990 to around 40 million last year.

Ian Hartley, who is treasurer of the Campaign for Wool, said: “Farmers raise sheep mainly for their meat and wool is a by-product. Sheep are shorn for health and welfare reasons and our challenge is to try and ensure the best possible price through our 20 or so Bradford auctions a year."

Canal Road in Bradford has all the car dealerships, building suppliers, caravan dealers etc. It is not inner city Bradford.  You could almost argue it's Frizinghall.

While on all things woolly, a picture of the front of the International Wool Secretariat building in Ben Rhydding, Ilkley. 

 

220px-International_Wool_Secretariat_building,_Ben_Rhydding,_Ilkley.jpg

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1 hour ago, Big Boy said:

* I've made a small addition.

No doubt. You probably get some HCN produced when anything organic burns. The N can come from the air if the temperature is right. Grass clippings, green wood, tobacco, cotton, paper, wool, silk, weeds, animal carcasses, and man made plastics and resins are all known to produce HCN. That includes most synthetic fibres, and quite a lot of paint.

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6 minutes ago, Happy Renting said:

So how long did it take you to shave a NZ girl?

Sadly, she was as wide as she was tall.

She could shave sheep like a man, drink like a man, and, frankly, looked like a man.

 

10 minutes ago, Nippy said:

You're dead right. How would you even approach getting their legs out?

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https://www.thegreenage.co.uk/is-sheepwool-insulation-resistant-to-moths/

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11 minutes ago, Nippy said:

No doubt. You probably get some HCN produced when anything organic burns. The N can come from the air if the temperature is right. Grass clippings, green wood, tobacco, cotton, paper, wool, silk, weeds, animal carcasses, and man made plastics and resins are all known to produce HCN. That includes most sythetic fibres, and quite a lot of paint.

Well, about 50x more than cotton and I wouldn't insulate my house with animal carcasses.

"...when cotton burns it develops 130 μg HCN/g, paper 1100 μg HCN/g and wool 6300 μg HCN/g."

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easycare

A neighbour switched to the above breed years ago, because wool was barely covering its costs.

When you look at the price of a ball of wool for knitting, you do have to wonder why the fleeces are uneconomical. Same goes for sheepskin products, where is the UK equivalent of the Ugg boot? I've got some local sheepskins and the quality is excellent.

There are people selling fleeces on ebay for what looks like a reasonable (for them!) price.

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3 minutes ago, Lightly Toasted said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easycare

A neighbour switched to the above breed years ago, because wool was barely covering its costs.

When you look at the price of a ball of wool for knitting, you do have to wonder why the fleeces are uneconomical. Same goes for sheepskin products, where is the UK equivalent of the Ugg boot? I've got some local sheepskins and the quality is excellent.

There are people selling fleeces on ebay for what looks like a reasonably (for them!) price.

Buying wool is hugely expensive IMO. There are spinning groups around to share the skills of producing your own.

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6 minutes ago, sarahbell said:

Buying wool is hugely expensive IMO. There are spinning groups around to share the skills of producing your own.

Obviously processing costs a fair bit and dying / packing etc.  but if you go selling in bulk to be shipped to China to make the shittiest products in the world cheap you can hardly be surprised when you are getting fuck all for your raw product.  so many areas this country industrially has simply given up on. 

 

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