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Wasn't sure where to put this (possibly in Coronavirus subthread), but it is generally important as 'the way things are going', and perhaps it is best placed in the wrong place, anyway.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-53480226

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Misleading and harmful online content about Covid-19 has spread "virulently" because the UK still lacks a law to regulate social media, an influential group of MPs has said.

The Digital, Culture, Media and Sport Committee urged the government to publish a draft copy of promised legislation by the autumn.

But what is disinformation?

What about talking about how dangerous (inappropriate) ventilators are for nCOV?  Disinformation in March, information in July?

What about VitD?  Is that disinformation?  Yet it might be 'useful' and wouldn't actually cause harm, even with today's knowledge.  Might it be 'information' by November?  Might it only be 'information by November' because people are going on about it now?

5G?  They always wheel this one out -- sure, it probably is 'disinformation', but what damage might be caused by banning other 'information' just because one example is fairly likely to be disinformation.  Also -- is 5G a bit like 'flat earthers' -- it isn't that everyone believes it implicitly (ie, they're saying 'the public doesn't understand'), but that it makes you think (about science, what we're told, etc), and a few people that are a bit burny enjoy having an excuse to burn something.  Ie, the burning would occur anyway, just it would be the burning of something else.

And what else is disinformation?  Presumably, stuff wot civil servants tell me is disinformation.  Which is extraordinarily scary.

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Wasn't sure where to put this (possibly in Coronavirus subthread), but it is generally important as 'the way things are going', and perhaps it is best placed in the wrong place, anyway. https://w

Mask for the general population are not necessary as they wont work #March Hoisted by their own petard again  I think what they are saying is if it don`t fit OUR narrative it`s false informa

This idea that there is 'real news' and 'fake news' has become prevalent in recent years. But to anyone over 40 or so, the expression 'don't believe everything you read in the papers' was a truism.

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It's like "Fake News".

A lot of news is inaccurate or even wrong, especially about CV19, and that very much includes official government advice.

I don't want them feeding us duff advice and nobody being allowed to counter it because the law now labels it disinformation.

Scientific knowledge or more correctly opinion, particularly with regard to human health owing to its complexity, is usually diverse and subject to change.

 

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20 minutes ago, dgul said:

And what else is disinformation?  Presumably, stuff wot civil servants tell me is disinformation.  Which is extraordinarily scary.

Mask for the general population are not necessary as they wont work #March

Hoisted by their own petard again 

I think what they are saying is if it don`t fit OUR narrative it`s false information if they are so confident they are right and everyone else is wrong they just need to dismiss it with facts not laws ,instated in a communist fashion 

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3 minutes ago, Long time lurking said:

Yep 100% 

That is the only post you have made that is true you sir have nailed it

I don't know where the idea that I talk total bollocks comes from. I think it might be Russia (again).

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47 minutes ago, dgul said:

Wasn't sure where to put this (possibly in Coronavirus subthread), but it is generally important as 'the way things are going', and perhaps it is best placed in the wrong place, anyway.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-53480226

But what is disinformation?

What about talking about how dangerous (inappropriate) ventilators are for nCOV?  Disinformation in March, information in July?

What about VitD?  Is that disinformation?  Yet it might be 'useful' and wouldn't actually cause harm, even with today's knowledge.  Might it be 'information' by November?  Might it only be 'information by November' because people are going on about it now?

5G?  They always wheel this one out -- sure, it probably is 'disinformation', but what damage might be caused by banning other 'information' just because one example is fairly likely to be disinformation.  Also -- is 5G a bit like 'flat earthers' -- it isn't that everyone believes it implicitly (ie, they're saying 'the public doesn't understand'), but that it makes you think (about science, what we're told, etc), and a few people that are a bit burny enjoy having an excuse to burn something.  Ie, the burning would occur anyway, just it would be the burning of something else.

And what else is disinformation?  Presumably, stuff wot civil servants tell me is disinformation.  Which is extraordinarily scary.

Note the title of the “reporter”

By Marianna Spring specialist disinformation reporter, BBC News

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41 minutes ago, dgul said:

5G?  They always wheel this one out -- sure, it probably is 'disinformation', but what damage might be caused by banning other 'information' just because one example is fairly likely to be disinformation.  Also -- is 5G a bit like 'flat earthers' -- it isn't that everyone believes it implicitly (ie, they're saying 'the public doesn't understand'), but that it makes you think (about science, what we're told, etc), and a few people that are a bit burny enjoy having an excuse to burn something.

5g is an interesting one, read up a bit on it a few months ago (will have to have a refresh) but the testing of what is/is not harmful is rather antiquated and based on microwave oven technology and the standards associated with it are based on the heating effect of the radiation on meat. They are not based on effects at cell level.

The thing that stands out about all the regulations is they are based on old-fashioned things you can physically measure like watts per kg (heating effect) which is like sticking your head in a bucket of 1960s sand.

 

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7 minutes ago, One percent said:

Note the title of the “reporter”

By Marianna Spring specialist disinformation reporter, BBC News

I read up on Marianna and came to the conclusion she does not have the experience necessary to truly judge what is true or not, especially on anything technical and her BBC title is disingenuous to say the least.

In 2016 she was an undergraduate working in Moscow for The Moscow Times and graduated from Oxford in 2018.

Now she is a big-shot reporter for the BBC, if she gets famous we might even find out about her level of priviledge.

https://www.pmb.ox.ac.uk/news/undergraduate-linguist-marianna-spring-becomes-news-reporter-moscow-times

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00794pb

What Makes Britain Rich?
Peter and Dan Snow present an investigation into how Britain's fortunes are made. They travel the UK to find out what makes Britain's economy tick, from millionaires to miners.

Last shown: Tue 6 Mar 2007
Next shown: Never xD

A paean to the Miracle Economy (tm), in essence. It was the copper-bottomed official "backed by the financial experts we interviewed" view at the time. I remember watching it and having to restrain myself from shouting at the screen.

 

 

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55 minutes ago, Long time lurking said:

Mask for the general population are not necessary as they wont work #March

Hoisted by their own petard again 

I think what they are saying is if it don`t fit OUR narrative it`s false information if they are so confident they are right and everyone else is wrong they just need to dismiss it with facts not laws ,instated in a communist fashion 

Not transmissible human to human. (WHO special)

It is just the flu - no matter what you think where IFR mortality rates are heading now, at the time, with the knowledge at the time and the list of complications and complexity of diseases causes it is not the flu.

Testing / track and trace in place, background testing started to get a better idea of what is going on - nearly all bollocks. months later still a mess.

Treatments / remedies, worst of all probably the Lancet undermining of ongoing trials, many, many other issues - Fauci - HCQ is brilliant (a few years ago), now it is terrible, HCQ is really dangerous, will kill more than cure, will deprive thousands of their meds and kill them. 

 

 

 

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Have noticed a phenomenon on Twitter of posts being derailed by some 'fact' thrown in, e.g., that a video [say a black thug hits a seated old lady out of the blue, knocks her out] was from years ago and the attacker got jailed - end of discussion, no? The post almost excuses similar behaviour because it 'wasn't recent' or 'attacker was punished'. And yet the Tweeter has very few followers and provides no link to back up this assertion.

Seeing this more and more on threads with such posts from low follower accounts; almost as if there is an army of thread interrupters creating accounts to insert doubt. Organised disinformation.

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1 hour ago, dgul said:

Wasn't sure where to put this (possibly in Coronavirus subthread), but it is generally important as 'the way things are going', and perhaps it is best placed in the wrong place, anyway.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-53480226

The report also criticised the government for setting up its own Counter Disinformation Unit in March. It suggested this was late, since fake news about coronavirus had begun spreading online in January, adding that in any case the unit had largely duplicated the work of other organisations.

Reminds me of the old joke:

-- "The food here is terrible, isn't it?"
-- "Yes, and the portions are so small".

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2 minutes ago, MrPin said:

You can me what you like. Personal insults are seen as what they are are. You can disagree with me. I don't mind that.

Grow a pair - being called a Cunt on here is a fuckin badge of honour..

Especially if that north east bellend with a gob full of rotten teeth & spotty anus calls you one :)

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11 minutes ago, Lightly Toasted said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00794pb

What Makes Britain Rich?
Peter and Dan Snow present an investigation into how Britain's fortunes are made. They travel the UK to find out what makes Britain's economy tick, from millionaires to miners.

Last shown: Tue 6 Mar 2007
Next shown: Never xD

A paean to the Miracle Economy (tm), in essence. It was the copper-bottomed official "backed by the financial experts we interviewed" view at the time. I remember watching it and having to restrain myself from shouting at the screen.

 

 

They anyway seem to be labouring under a misapprehension.

We're not rich.

GDP per head is the only sensible measure and on that we're something like mid twenties.

We are decidedly poor in fact.

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1 minute ago, mattydread said:

Grow a pair - being called a Cunt on here is a fuckin badge of honour..

Especially if that north east bellend with a gob full of rotten teeth & spotty anus calls you one :)

He's politely rude, so I like him @The XYY Man. Also not one to be taken in by bullshit, or BLAZE TV.

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5 minutes ago, MrPin said:

He's politely rude, so I like him @The XYY Man. Also not one to be taken in by bullshit, or BLAZE TV.

He gave you a rep, so that's good. I think he's got the shits with me as I called him a bellend:D

To be fair, he's been funny the last few days - Reach around from Doug, me thinks..

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6 minutes ago, mattydread said:

He gave you a rep, so that's good. I think he's got the shits with me as I called him a bellend:D

To be fair, he's been funny the last few days - Reach around from Doug, me thinks..

Well he is a bit of a bellend.

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