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Is Boris even worse than Theresa?


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Many voted Tory as a fightback against the socialist insanity but they got socialist insanity. If ever there was a clear indication that we desperately need a new party for the disenfranchised, its th

I blame the media far more than I blame Boris for this covid fuckup and the economic hardship that is to follow. Arguably Boris should have told them to go and fuck themselves, but if he'd done that t

Boris wins hands down over TM, but I agree this country needs a new party that at least is in sync with it's people, which means 1. Telling the BBC to get to f*** or break it up 2. Giving th

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1 minute ago, spunko said:

will it be the inevitable Brexit delay to be announced in a few months?

Can’t do that. Not when people still aren’t working. People will go mad, and I think the EU is actually done with us now..

I think the thing that can really do Boris in is how he handles the NHS when doing ‘deals’ with the US. No Tory voter has ever really believed that the NHS will be sold by previous PMs. 

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On housing I suspect Boris is worse than Theresa. May and Hammond made noises about being uncomfortable with Help to Buy and were preparing to start paring it back (though whether they actually would have gone through with that is another matter...) whereas Boris seems ready and willing to spray the full taxpayer/central bank money hose at house prices.

Build build build will never happen, at least in terms of delivering normal family houses that anybody can just rock up and buy. It will be converted office buildings to warehouse benefits claimants and Help to Build Key Worker Staircased Ownership First Starter Home Equity Scheme blah blah blah bollocks.

Boris seems very comfortable with socialism for his mates in the finance and property industries.

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Turned his government into the complete opposite of what gave it its huge majority.

Incompetence on an industrial scale with Covid-19, unable to stop the boats crossing the channel, nanny state interference and now more taxes.

At least Corbyn would have resulted in the reset button being hit eventually..... We've got 4.5 more years of this, then 5+ years of Starmer afterwards 'to put things right' i.e start the charade all over again.

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5 minutes ago, Fully Detached said:

I blame the media far more than I blame Boris for this covid fuckup and the economic hardship that is to follow. Arguably Boris should have told them to go and fuck themselves, but if he'd done that then Gove would have stabbed him in the back again and it would have been game over. He had to play along or be out of the job.

Fucking Kuntsberg and Preston and all their shitty fucking prick friends should be taken out and fucking shot. It's them that's done the damage IMO, and when people start bitching to me about losing their job or their home or the wealth tax that they got hit with, I'll be directing them to fucking Kuntsberg and her mates as the people to blame.

It's entirely Boris fault that Gove is even still in government. He should have got rid, he's an unelectable snake and nonce impressionist.

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26 minutes ago, spunko said:

Many voted Tory as a fightback against the socialist insanity but they got socialist insanity. If ever there was a clear indication that we desperately need a new party for the disenfranchised, its these disastrous months with the invertebrate imbecile and fraud, Boris the Gutless, at the helm.

Thousands pour through the borders legally or otherwise every week, enforced mask wearing, a permanently wrecked economy, cronyism, mega debt.

An 80 seat majority wasted, that won't ever be repeated again in a general election.

What do you think it will it take for the average Conservative voter to turn against Boris, will it be the inevitable Brexit delay to be announced in a few months?

It's amazing to me that there are apparently still people who expect anything else from the Tory party.

It's a feature, not a bug.

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6 minutes ago, Fully Detached said:

I blame the media far more than I blame Boris for this covid fuckup and the economic hardship that is to follow. Arguably Boris should have told them to go and fuck themselves, but if he'd done that then Gove would have stabbed him in the back again and it would have been game over. He had to play along or be out of the job.

Fucking Kuntsberg and Preston and all their shitty fucking prick friends should be taken out and fucking shot. It's them that's done the damage IMO, and when people start bitching to me about losing their job or their home or the wealth tax that they got hit with, I'll be directing them to fucking Kuntsberg and her mates as the people to blame.

I actually am a bit pissed off with Bozza. I do think his fatness and near death experience changed the narrative. Unlike Theresa  he seems to embrace Liberal cultural values and SJW ism  a bit more, the Hong Kong question shows he is very pro- immigration.

Suddenly the vicar's daughter looks a whole lot better. She failed on Europe, but hell she was more conservative in her attitudes otherwise.

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12 minutes ago, ste said:

At least Corbyn would have resulted in the reset button being hit eventually..... We've got 4.5 more years of this, then 5+ years of Starmer afterwards 'to put things right' i.e start the charade all over again.

Seems unlikely Starmer will win a general election, he is Miliband 2.0 i.e. no charisma and no policies. The UK is going to get the full 19 years of crony capitalism under the Tories.

Corbyn was the last exit on this road, as you say there was a chance of a reset had he won.

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13 minutes ago, spunko said:

It's entirely Boris fault that Gove is even still in government. He should have got rid, he's an unelectable snake and nonce impressionist.

If it wasn't Gove it would have been one of the others. Politics and government is a snake pit. The media run this country now and puff adders like Gove are always waiting under their rock for the optimum moment for their own turn.

 

10 minutes ago, crashmonitor said:

I actually am a bit pissed off with Bozza. I do think his fatness and near death experience changed the narrative. Unlike Theresa  he seems to embrace Liberal cultural values and SJW ism  a bit more, the Hong Kong question shows he is very pro- immigration.

Suddenly the vicar's daughter looks a whole lot better. She failed on Europe, but hell she was more conservative in her attitudes otherwise.

All I can say is I'm happy I didn't vote for him. I really agonised over that decision because I wanted to see Brexit done but couldn't bring myself to vote for someone who would turn out to be a complete pile of shit later. Now I suspect Brexit will be delayed anyway and we have an economic disaster unfolding in front of us. I still blame the media more than I blame any one individual, but I might feel differently if I'd voted for and been relying on Boris in the first place.

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Regarding Boris specifically..  I'd say there's still no comparison.

Theresa was a hopeless leader,  while Boris is articulate, engaging and seems to have purpose.

If Theresa had had to handle Brexit, Covid, BLM riots and everything else the government have had thrown at them recently I suspect she'd be a shivering wreck by now.

I don't agree with all the governments decisions on Covid and they've been playing a bit fast and loose with the purse strings..   but compared to what Labour would have done ?    John McDonnell would have borrowed twice as much and spunked it on vanity social projects for their voter base..  and Corbyn would be so far up Barnier's arse we'd already be speaking German by now.

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50 minutes ago, Darude said:

Seems unlikely Starmer will win a general election, he is Miliband 2.0 i.e. no charisma and no policies. The UK is going to get the full 19 years of crony capitalism under the Tories.

Corbyn was the last exit on this road, as you say there was a chance of a reset had he won.

Treason May could only scrape a minority government over Corbyn and only beat him by a couple of % in overall vote share.... Corbyn!

The novelty of Boris is fading fast on his current trajectory, that combined with the Tories being in for over a decade usually points to change...

 

 

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In a little over 8 months he's won an election with largest conservative majority in years. 

Had to manage with the outbreak of a global pandemic, with the dozens of various agendas,  medical advice, pressure from multiple agencies and the out right fraud of the WHO and deception from China.  As well as the legacy of the lack of preparation and the NHS.  Mostly had the country comply with the lock downs and changes in society, with little resistance.  He contracted the disease himself and recovered.  

Had to deal with the blm/cultural Marxists and the nonsense associated with the upcoming US election as well as the traditional media / social media companies agendas.  Without declaring sides. Or pandering.   He seems, on the surface at least, to be getting on with brexit and he had a Son born two months ago.  
 

So, no he's not worse than Teresa.  Teresa couldn't even throw an election.   

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1 hour ago, spunko said:

Many voted Tory as a fightback against the socialist insanity but they got socialist insanity. If ever there was a clear indication that we desperately need a new party for the disenfranchised, its these disastrous months with the invertebrate imbecile and fraud, Boris the Gutless, at the helm.

Thousands pour through the borders legally or otherwise every week, enforced mask wearing, a permanently wrecked economy, cronyism, mega debt.

An 80 seat majority wasted, that won't ever be repeated again in a general election.

What do you think it will it take for the average Conservative voter to turn against Boris, will it be the inevitable Brexit delay to be announced in a few months?

Border security - agree, all talk and nothing.

Mask wearing, international pressure partly and momentum, really very little difference in UK compared nearly every other equivalent country in the world,. Can argue not right but TM would have been no different on this issue.

Majority, doesn't  seem likely  will be repeated, 

Failure on Brexit would do it.

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1 minute ago, onlyme said:

Border security - agree, all talk and nothing.

Mask wearing, international pressure partly and momentum, really very little difference in UK compared nearly every other equivalent country in the world,. Can argue not right but TM would have been no different on this issue.

Majority, doesn't  seem likely  will be repeated, 

Failure on Brexit would do it.

Failure on Brexit and the Tories are fucked for a generation. The fate of Boris would be not worth mentioning.

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1 hour ago, spunko said:

What do you think it will it take for the average Conservative voter to turn against Boris, will it be the inevitable Brexit delay to be announced in a few months?

A lot.  Firstly because there isn't anyone for them to turn too. Sir Keir doesn't seem to know what game he's playing. Labour seem intent on bankrupting themselves and any chance of another option died with Brexit party.   Secondly, because he's built up a lot of good will over the last few months.  Brexit could do it, but it would have to be something more than just another delay at this stage.  Joining the Euro, maybe.   

Internally the conservative central office may want him gone at some point, but not today, hes too much of an asset. 

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8 minutes ago, Rare Bear said:

Failure on Brexit and the Tories are fucked for a generation. The fate of Boris would be not worth mentioning.

Boris got his majority to get Brexit done and move on. He is and was the best person to do that IMO [by delegating the work and blustering with the other wankers in charge of EU states].

He has successfully maintained a real possibility of no deal/no fishing rights etc which May would and did not. Whether that will need to happen and the German exporters and French-Spanish fishermen not to mention rail and energy companies will need to bring pressure on their govs before EU does a deal in their own interest remains to be seen but Boris is doing well at not caving under pressure. [My guess is a barebones deal before year end and ongoing negotiation thereafter]. Also helped by media distracted.

He's made a horrendous mess of everything else and it's a shame that is being done on such an enormous scale. If it was just us I'd say conspiracy but the fact it's global make it more difficult to call.

So many ideas now floated for extra complications and taxes, ideally they will follow their mandate for simplification and removal of exemptions instead.

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23 minutes ago, feed said:

A lot.  Firstly because there isn't anyone for them to turn too. Sir Keir doesn't seem to know what game he's playing.

https://news.sky.com/story/george-floyd-death-labour-leader-sir-keir-starmer-takes-a-knee-in-support-of-black-lives-matter-movement-12003611

 

that picture will haunt him. It bloody haunts me. Fucking idiots.

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