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Carry On Covid: No one is going on a nice foreign holiday again


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13 hours ago, Mirror Mirror said:

Sorry bud, I think you’re wrong about this.

At Manchester, if you go through flight connections, you don’t enter England and your passport isn’t checked, but your boarding pass for your onward flight is. You then go through a security check and end up at the departures area where you are free to go to whatever boarding gate you wish.

However if you were to miss your flight, say by losing track of time and arriving at the gate late, you have to be escorted out of the departures area, which involves a telephone call being made, and a wait for a border guard to come, examine your passport and escort you out (don’t ask me how I know this 😂)

If there’s a secret door somewhere which allows you to just by-pass this, then I’m not aware of it, and I’d be surprised if all UK airports aren’t the same.

You might be right. I just remember coming back and walking right down and out. I may have been on narcotics though :Old:

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20 hours ago, Democorruptcy said:

I don’t think those on Lockdown Sceptics are  ‘free men of the land’ types.

I got more the impression they were talking about coming to the UK for medical treatment, of setting up a courier service of similar, but as I say, I’ve not been through the legislation with a fine tooth comb.

 

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On 09/10/2021 at 18:15, moneyscam said:

I'm currently in Italy. Got here fine with negative test before departure. No one asked me to provide proof of vaccination when I arrived.

Am about to go out for dinner, will be asked for Green Pass. Apparently Italian Green Pass software has been updated to recognise NHS app QR codes, I'll soon find out!

Have to fill out PLF form tomorrow before return to UK in a couple of days. Then take and submit day 2 test when back in the UK. Experience so far hasn't been as bad as I thought it would be but it's still a pain in the arse all told compared to travelling before. Still have to wear a mask indoors here and there are plenty of little Mussolini's here prepared to enforce it.

Do you need to take any sort of test while you're out there? That's what I'm getting mixed messages about. I think @ccc said you need to, but I can't find much on it now.

I'm unjabbed and from what I understand I need to just take a PCR test before leaving the UK.

Then when I'm back in the UK I need to take a test at day 2 and day 8.

Which sounds quite stupid, what if I catch COVID the moment I land going out there, and then spread it around? I won't know until I get back!

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3 minutes ago, spunko said:

Do you need to take any sort of test while you're out there? That's what I'm getting mixed messages about. I think @ccc said you need to, but I can't find much on it now.

I'm unjabbed and from what I understand I need to just take a PCR test before leaving the UK.

Then when I'm back in the UK I need to take a test at day 2 and day 8.

Which sounds quite stupid, what if I catch COVID the moment I land going out there, and then spread it around? I won't know until I get back!

If you're unjabbed the rules are more onerous by design to get you to get jabbed. You must take a test up to 3 days prior to returning to UK, book day 2 and day 8 tests before leaving UK and quarantine for 10 days at home upon return to UK. If you're jabbed, no test before returning, day 2 test only and no quarantine requirement. It doesn't say what happens if you test positive on day 2.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/travel-to-england-from-another-country-during-coronavirus-covid-19

If you are not fully vaccinated

This is what you need to do if you do not qualify under the fully vaccinated rules for travel to England.

Check this section of this guidance to see if you qualify as fully vaccinated.

Before you travel to England – not fully vaccinated

Before you travel to England you must:

Read more about taking a COVID-19 test before you travel to England.

When you arrive in England – not fully vaccinated

After you arrive in England you must:

If you are in England for less than 10 days, you need to quarantine for the time you are here. You need to book day 2 and day 8 travel tests. You only need to take the tests if you are still in England on those days.

Test to Release scheme

If you need to quarantine, you may be able to end quarantine early if you pay for a private COVID-19 test through the Test to Release scheme.

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In November 2019 I had a really nice trip to Spain and in January 2020 I had another good trip to SE Asia. Both memorable and enjoyable. I can still feel the mild winter sun and the invigorating freshness of the seawater. I've decided to draw a line under foreign travel now, and to look back on these as the end of an era for me. I won't be going abroad again, unless I absolutely have to, until every last bit of this Covid BS is ended, which is probably going to be never.

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Quick update , we are in the Canaries

Sun is shining and the beer is cold 😎

It has been getting busier everyday since we got here and most bars and restaurants are open again 

Only annoyance is masks inside but no different to NI at the moment.

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On 10/10/2021 at 00:16, spunko said:

Do you really think most people will even think about covid in a few years time? I don't. It'll be just a memory shortly.

I honeslty think a hefty percentage of the population are going to be scared for the rest of their lives.

I was in the queue in M&S today and had a good view of the busy shop - I could see about 30 people and I was the only one unmasked.

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7 minutes ago, Malthus said:

Quick update , we are in the Canaries

Sun is shining and the beer is cold 😎

Congratulations!

Did you have to get jabbed to go there? I'm way behind with the current rules. If no jab then do you have to take a test and at what cost?

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3 minutes ago, JoeDavola said:

I honeslty think a hefty percentage of the population are going to be scared for the rest of their lives.

I was in the queue in M&S today and had a good view of the busy shop - I could see about 30 people and I was the only one unmasked.

Not the same in England...fortunately. We did a shop in a local M&S foodhall a couple of days ago. Pretty busy with no social distancing. Probably 30% with masks, 70% without.

Quite encouraging really.

I'm pleased to say that I'm still alive.

I'll probably get a cold now though. One of our bricklayers working on the house was hacking and coughing all day yesterday.

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5 minutes ago, JoeDavola said:

Congratulations!

Did you have to get jabbed to go there? I'm way behind with the current rules. If no jab then do you have to take a test and at what cost?

Got the vaccine at the earliest opportunity 

Pre existing health issue that would make me vulnerable to respiratory diseases so a no brainer for me 

No issue travelling to most places now it you are willing to take a PCR test to avoid the needle 

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12 minutes ago, Sasquatch said:

 

I'll probably get a cold now though. One of our bricklayers working on the house was hacking and coughing all day yesterday.

All builders seem to do that.

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21 minutes ago, JoeDavola said:

I honeslty think a hefty percentage of the population are going to be scared for the rest of their lives.

I was in the queue in M&S today and had a good view of the busy shop - I could see about 30 people and I was the only one unmasked.

IMO the hysteria is going to morph into other forms, mainly a culture of fear and surveillance, with health paranoia added to existing fears about 'climate change', 'far right extremism', 'populism' etc.

Rather similar to the way in which the Cold War started almost immediately after WW2. In fact in some ways it started before VE Day - there were serious disagreements between the western allies and the USSR by then which is why they have their VE Day on a different date.

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10 minutes ago, Austin Allegro said:

IMO the hysteria is going to morph into other forms, mainly a culture of fear and surveillance, with health paranoia added to existing fears about 'climate change', 'far right extremism', 'populism' etc.

Yes it's occured to me that basically for the last 6 years the masses have had a boogey man to be angry at - for almost 4 years it was ORANGE MAN BAD and then it was ANTI-VAXXER BAD .... if covid does go away they'll need to invent a new boogey man to give the brainless NPC masses something to parrot to eachother.

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31 minutes ago, JoeDavola said:

Yes it's occured to me that basically for the last 6 years the masses have had a boogey man to be angry at - for almost 4 years it was ORANGE MAN BAD and then it was ANTI-VAXXER BAD .... if covid does go away they'll need to invent a new boogey man to give the brainless NPC masses something to parrot to eachother.

I take heart in the fact that the only country which was previously a functioning western democracy (ie, not Russia, Korea, China etc) to have successfully institutioned totalitarianism was Germany, and the majority of that was only for 12 years (E. Germany was under dictatorship from 1933 to 1989; even that is less than a lifetime). That's probably because the Germans were one of the few countries organised enough to carry it out. Nearly everywhere else (including the UK) is too disorganised and useless to manage it.

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I'm in the canaries at the moment.

Unjabbed. 

Needed a pcr (£80) test 72 hrs before arriving and the Spanish equivalent of the personal locator forms.

I need (and have booked) return 2  pcr tests(£136 - but can be found cheaper)  for the 10 day self isolation.

I booked the pre-flight test this morning (€45) from the hotel. And I get it tomorrow morning. Once that is done I need to do the plf's before I fly back. 

So in short its totaly possible to get here from the uk if unjabbed. It's just an expensive, mildly stressful and time consuming ball ache.

1 hour ago, JoeDavola said:

Congratulations!

Did you have to get jabbed to go there? I'm way behind with the current rules. If no jab then do you have to take a test and at what cost?

 

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https://www.msn.com/en-gb/lifestyle/lifestylegeneral/lateral-flow-tests-unreliable-positive-covid-test-results-could-be-caused-by-seasonal-snotty-noses/ar-AAPqyOp?ocid=mailsignout&li=AAnZ9Ug

So let me get this right...we have changed [lowered] the travelling restrictions on people returning back into the UK by:

1. Preferentially treating vaccined travellers who have a 'leaky' vaccine that allows them to be asymptomatic carriers.

2. No longer need to take a pre-departure test before returning to the UK.

3. Replace the post-entry Day 2 PCR test that if used properly is reliable [that it isn't in the case of Covid testing] with a method/LFD test that isn't [and not only in the case of Covid], and not only produces false negatives but also false positive. This will ultimately increase the number of test required, the inconvenience, and cost either to the traveller or the NHS.

If this is what they call "Following the science" then they need to sack all of SAGE as either a) they are just 'Yes men' afraid to stand up to ministerial pressure, and/or b) are completely useless 'experts' in their fields.

And as for the Front bench, they should go as well, as if this is the best they can do [a retrograde step from the shamble they have previously created] we would literally be better off without their governance.

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1 hour ago, MrXxxx said:

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/lifestyle/lifestylegeneral/lateral-flow-tests-unreliable-positive-covid-test-results-could-be-caused-by-seasonal-snotty-noses/ar-AAPqyOp?ocid=mailsignout&li=AAnZ9Ug

So let me get this right...we have changed [lowered] the travelling restrictions on people returning back into the UK by:

1. Preferentially treating vaccined travellers who have a 'leaky' vaccine that allows them to be asymptomatic carriers.

2. No longer need to take a pre-departure test before returning to the UK.

3. Replace the post-entry Day 2 PCR test that if used properly is reliable [that it isn't in the case of Covid testing] with a method/LFD test that isn't [and not only in the case of Covid], and not only produces false negatives but also false positive. This will ultimately increase the number of test required, the inconvenience, and cost either to the traveller or the NHS.

If this is what they call "Following the science" then they need to sack all of SAGE as either a) they are just 'Yes men' afraid to stand up to ministerial pressure, and/or b) are completely useless 'experts' in their fields.

And as for the Front bench, they should go as well, as if this is the best they can do [a retrograde step from the shamble they have previously created] we would literally be better off without their governance.

You’re looking at it the wrong way round.

Theres nothing wrong with scrapping the various tests and allowing the jabbed into the country without quarantine; it’s what we’ve always done.

The outrage is that those who for whatever reason have exercised their God given right to bodily autonomy and decided against having a couple of untested and ineffective injections are being discriminated against, both financially and by the removal of their freedoms, which incidentally are enshrined in various constitutional and human rights articles.

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4 minutes ago, Mirror Mirror said:

You’re looking at it the wrong way round.

Theres nothing wrong with scrapping the various tests and allowing the jabbed into the country without quarantine; it’s what we’ve always done.

The outrage is that those who for whatever reason have exercised their God given right to bodily autonomy and decided against having a couple of untested and ineffective injections are being discriminated against, both financially and by the removal of their freedoms, which incidentally are enshrined in various constitutional and human rights articles.

Agree with you 100%, my comment was place partly as 'Devils advocate' to highlight how facile the complete Covid approach has been.

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On 11/10/2021 at 13:54, Sasquatch said:

One of our bricklayers working on the house was hacking and coughing all day yesterday.

If only TPTB had scared me about (brick, etc) dust as they have about covid.....

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48 minutes ago, Harley said:

If only TPTB had scared me about (brick, etc) dust as they have about covid.....

Is there a vaccine for brick dust yet, and how often do you need re-vaccination?

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Here is an example to show how ridiculous the whole UK Covid restrictions are..[taken from here https://www.msn.com/en-gb/lifestyle/travel/travel-expert-simon-calder-answers-17-questions-amid-latest-rule-changes/ar-AAPmT3j?ocid=mailsignout&li=BBoPWjQ ]

Transit travel

Q:  Here’s a question which I have not been able to answer from any source. You are my last hope. I am coming from a non-red list country and my vaccine status is not currently recognised by the UK. I’m arriving from abroad to the UK and leaving on the same day, but with a change of airports from Newcastle to Edinburgh. In other words, I am making a “landside” transit, but crossing the Anglo-Scottish border.

The question is: will I need to book day two and day eight tests?

Yan U

A: As someone whose vaccinations are not recognised by the UK, you will need to take a test (lateral flow will do) before travelling to England. But after working through the process my interpretation is that you need not book any Covid tests. You would need to do so only if you intended to stay.

The transit rules for changing planes (or international train or ferries) wholly within England are clear. When you transit in England between international locations, you need not quarantine on arrival or take a Covid-19 test on or before day two and day eight if you “travel directly from your port of entry to another port of departure in England”.

However Britain’s passenger locator form does not allow for this possibility, instead having a box to tick called “Change flights in the UK within 24 hours, without going through UK border control”. I recommend you tick this box because the alternative would be “I plan to stay in the UK” and you then need to book tests.

I have worked through the entire passenger locator form process for you, making a dummy application, and there was no problem raised when entering Newcastle and departing from Edinburgh. As you say it is all on the same day, I can see no problem.

I have studied the applicable legislation and can see no reference to Anglo-Scottish transit in any of the legislation. You will be travelling through Scotland solely to board an international departure. You must, though travel direct from Newcastle airport to Edinburgh airport – sightseeing in either city is out.

 

So the traveller could be Covid +ve and as they are not required to take a test nobody would know. They can then travel across the UK theoretically [and practically] infecting others with Covid. Finally, the reported states that they cannot do any sightseeing and must go from airport to airport, but where is the check for this, will a) immigration demand to see a ticket specifying this, and b) what is to stop the person with such a ticket breaking their journey [allowed with most rail tickets] if the train passes through the city stations, which is likely as trains servicing airports usually do.

Absolutely absurd!

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2 hours ago, MrXxxx said:

Here is an example to show how ridiculous the whole UK Covid restrictions are..[taken from here https://www.msn.com/en-gb/lifestyle/travel/travel-expert-simon-calder-answers-17-questions-amid-latest-rule-changes/ar-AAPmT3j?ocid=mailsignout&li=BBoPWjQ ]

Transit travel

Q:  Here’s a question which I have not been able to answer from any source. You are my last hope. I am coming from a non-red list country and my vaccine status is not currently recognised by the UK. I’m arriving from abroad to the UK and leaving on the same day, but with a change of airports from Newcastle to Edinburgh. In other words, I am making a “landside” transit, but crossing the Anglo-Scottish border.

The question is: will I need to book day two and day eight tests?

Yan U

A: As someone whose vaccinations are not recognised by the UK, you will need to take a test (lateral flow will do) before travelling to England. But after working through the process my interpretation is that you need not book any Covid tests. You would need to do so only if you intended to stay.

The transit rules for changing planes (or international train or ferries) wholly within England are clear. When you transit in England between international locations, you need not quarantine on arrival or take a Covid-19 test on or before day two and day eight if you “travel directly from your port of entry to another port of departure in England”.

However Britain’s passenger locator form does not allow for this possibility, instead having a box to tick called “Change flights in the UK within 24 hours, without going through UK border control”. I recommend you tick this box because the alternative would be “I plan to stay in the UK” and you then need to book tests.

I have worked through the entire passenger locator form process for you, making a dummy application, and there was no problem raised when entering Newcastle and departing from Edinburgh. As you say it is all on the same day, I can see no problem.

I have studied the applicable legislation and can see no reference to Anglo-Scottish transit in any of the legislation. You will be travelling through Scotland solely to board an international departure. You must, though travel direct from Newcastle airport to Edinburgh airport – sightseeing in either city is out.

 

So the traveller could be Covid +ve and as they are not required to take a test nobody would know. They can then travel across the UK theoretically [and practically] infecting others with Covid. Finally, the reported states that they cannot do any sightseeing and must go from airport to airport, but where is the check for this, will a) immigration demand to see a ticket specifying this, and b) what is to stop the person with such a ticket breaking their journey [allowed with most rail tickets] if the train passes through the city stations, which is likely as trains servicing airports usually do.

Absolutely absurd!

So exactly like a vaccinated person then?

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