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Pandemic coming? - Coronavirus August onwards 2020 (Part 4)


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Here we go, the energy regulator is considering raising gas and electricity bills for 11 million households to help supply companies survive an expected sharp rise in customer debt. Energy providers want to charge more to households as their supply contracts expire, in order to cover the costs of those customers who could not pay their bills at all.

Try and switch to a decent fix early if they haven't pulled them already.

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2020/sep/15/energy-bills-could-increase-this-winter-to-cover-coronavirus-defaults

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So........i've volunteered for the vaccine trials for Covid-19 which apparently were made by a Russian Pharmaceutical company 😳. I  received my first shot and wanted to let everyone know that it’

I think this is not quite true, but it is the key thing in all of this. I would like to see a more detailed comparison, but the impression I have is that the new disease is about 3 or 4 times mor

I've got a lung disease, and my wife has MS and had a treatment to weaken her immune system. We were both on the shielding list and did the whole self isolating thing up until a couple of weeks back.

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It would appear Yemen shows the effects of this pandemic without much medical intervention .

"there used to be 10 bodies buried every day. At the height of the pandemic there were 1,500 bodies being buried.

I am thinking maybe the pandemic has done it`s worst there now and total deaths from the virus and other causes will stay down for a few years  . Who knows.........

 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-middle-east-54034807

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13 hours ago, A tremendous # on the lung said:

Can your immune system really be diminished that quickly by lack of exposure? (6 months or whatever it's been)

I thought your immune system worked by memory not antibody production.

In other words, once you are better, the antibody count naturally falls. Get reinfected and the body immediately pumps out antibodies based on the B-cells retaining memory.

Why would the body constantly produce unnecessary proteins as antibodies when you don't need them?  Increased proteins cause renal failure.

The body always moves to good health.

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1 hour ago, Chewing Grass said:

Here we go, the energy regulator is considering raising gas and electricity bills for 11 million households to help supply companies survive an expected sharp rise in customer debt. Energy providers want to charge more to households as their supply contracts expire, in order to cover the costs of those customers who could not pay their bills at all.

Try and switch to a decent fix early if they haven't pulled them already.

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2020/sep/15/energy-bills-could-increase-this-winter-to-cover-coronavirus-defaults

Ahhh, so the energy regulator is a socialist organisation then?

I look forward to OFCOM distributing the profits of supply companies to us all.

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6 minutes ago, Gin said:

 

 

Sorry but I had a chuckle at this .

 

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Well the virus going about is clearly nowhere near as the rest of the shit show there.  Quite possibly it's ripped through a lot of the population already.  Like here some unfortunately take badly, often on top of severe pre existing conditions.  But the majority probably get a mild illness.

Watching the news on ITN yesterday, even the one non covid story -war memorial- included covid.

All second wave, doom and gloom.

I still think to be sensible it makes sense to wait until next year before deciding how bad.  In the same way it's better being prepared than not.  But so many holes appearing, and businesses almost delibratey getting destroyed.  

Whether or not delibrate, a side effect of this virus and the way it's being portrayed and handled is siloing people into separate segments from the paranoid, scared to leave the house for fear of catching.  All the way to incubating future dissenters and potential freedom fighters.

So the virus has been circulating amongst the young, hence mainly asymptomatic and if not, mild.  Then the cross over happens on a sliding scale peaking at the very old and very sick.  Where at the top the chance of survival may slightly be less than not.

Those pictures coming out of Wuhan and then Italy in the early days certainly looked bad but it hasn't really transpired over here, even with the UK being one of the worst hit.

What about second strains?  Mutated strains?  I thought earlier on it was made clear that different varieties were dominating, a stronger Asian one (or could have been weaker) and more benign American version.

Have all these strains mixed up now or has one won out.  Like the flu where every year different varieties get imported.  There doesn't seem any clear answers -or even questions- which still strikes me as odd.

 

 

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6 minutes ago, sarahbell said:

 

So what happens if you're positive? You've just been on a plane for an hour or so with other people... 

Presumably you go into quarantine, passengers beside and rows near do or contacted to check for symptoms.  Really staggering still no definitive yes/ no on  symptomatic / asymptotic spreading. With mask wearing you'd assume risk to other flyers lower, but  even that is  not 100% proven or otherwise. A mess.  

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The Welsh coronavirus testing shambles: tests gone by mid-morning, no slots, broken websites

The coronavirus testing chaos is expected to go on for weeks before more capacity becomes available

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Your pregnant wife has been in contact with someone who has tested positive for coronavirus, she now has a high temperature and is struggling to keep food down, but she is not allowed to go to a hospital or seek medical help because she has to have the test first.

But there are no tests available, anywhere.

This is the situation Steve West has found himself. He has been using his laptop, his phone and a tablet all at the same time every night for six hours constantly refreshing the booking website trying to arrange a test for his wife, who is 24 weeks pregnant, and their children aged six and 12.

He is getting nowhere and has still not been able to book a test near his Swansea home.

"I've been going out of my mind trying to get a Covid test," he says. "A close family member who we have all had contact with in the last few days has tested positive as well as his partner.

"Shortly after we found out they had tested positive our eldest developed a consistent cough and a bit of a temperature and the same goes for my wife who is also struggling to keep any food down.

"She has been unable to attend her scan and appointment with the consultant because they won't see her until she has a test. We have spoken with her GP, the midwife, Morriston hospital as well as calling 111 and 119.

"The GP and hospital won't see her unless she has had a test for Covid and the midwife can't call because of the same reason."

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/coronavirus-testing-chaos-covid19-shambles-18937489

 

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Back in Swansea, Steve West described the system as "an absolute joke".

"I know there is a drive in centre about a mile from our address because I had to use it a couple of months ago. I put in our address, yet when entering the details on the site it gives a different response every time, it either says the service is busy try again later or that the postcode is not recognised," he said.

"I've tried five different Swansea post codes as well as two Cardiff postcodes. When it did finally accept the postcode, which has happened only twice in the past two days, it comes back saying there are no test sites in your area please try another post code. I am sitting there with the laptop, phone and tablet being constantly refreshed but are not able to get anything.

"I've got better odds winning the lottery than being able to book a test.

"We are getting really concerned about the effect this could be having on our unborn baby."

 

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2 minutes ago, onlyme said:

Presumably you go into quarantine, passengers beside and rows near do or contacted to check for symptoms.  Really staggering still no definitive yes/ no on  symptomatic / asymptotic spreading. With mask wearing you'd assume risk to other flyers lower, but  even that is  not 100% proven or otherwise. A mess.  

Is it entitledness? 
Was his journey necessary?

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These stories are not unique.

The House of Commons was told how a dad from the Black Country near Birmingham took his sick child on a 76 mile journey for a test in Wales only to be told on arrival that the tests had run out.

In England, people are turning up at A&E in Bolton - the area that currently has the highest rates of Covid-19 in the UK - in the hope of getting a test. They are being urged not to as the hospital is seeing a rapid increase in the number of people needing hospital treatment, especially among white men in their 40s and 50s, for Covid and it fears it will not be able to cope.

Cardiff mum Sarah Morris' said it took her seven hours of trying before she was able to book a test at the drive in centre in the grounds of the Cardiff City stadium.

 

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2 minutes ago, MrPin said:

The first instinct on feeling "a bit ill", would be to stay in for a while, rather than phone hospitals. That's for when you are very ill.

All these people with sick kids who are wanting them tested so they can show it's not coronavirus - high temp and cough - if it's negative is the kid going into school anyway even though they should be at home with a bottle of lucazade and some grapes?

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1 minute ago, MrPin said:

The first instinct on feeling "a bit ill", would be to stay in for a while, rather than phone hospitals. That's for when you are very ill.

Some people with this don't even know they are very ill, their oxygen levels are so low, they  can even be "happy hypoxic", were not talking oytgen levels down a few percent, more like in the 80's for the worst cases.

Also the disease seems to go in waves with some people, what seems like a recovery and a second hit that rapidly takes them down.

If you are in India (Delhi at least) you are given thermometer and oxymeter to check vital stats as an outpatient. 

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27 minutes ago, SpectrumFX said:

Can someone explain to me why people aren't allowed out of caerphilly, and yet international travel by plane is still ok?

 

 

Even better, according to the papers people have been travelling to Rhondda Cynon Taff from across England - which is basically a line on a map away from Caerphilly and is also close to lockdown due to a big increase - to get tests because they had heard that RCT had testing available.

Are the people coming from England to RCT bringing the infection with them? Or are they going to a highly infected area and taking it back home? Nuts.

Look at the history of WW1 and WW2 and how the establishment managed things. Complete disaster. It was exceptional people who saved the day whilst idiots in the establishment made one crap decision after another.

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Two of my neighbours, 70's, who have stayed in from March till August when their kids and grand-kids started turning up have gone back to having their youngest grand-kid stay with them for a few hours after school.

The school is behind their house. The kid goes to their house in the afternoon until his parents can come pick him up around 6ish or 7ish. Thank goodness that he is not mixing with any other kids during the day.

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10 minutes ago, The Masked Tulip said:

The Welsh coronavirus testing shambles: tests gone by mid-morning, no slots, broken websites

The coronavirus testing chaos is expected to go on for weeks before more capacity becomes available

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/coronavirus-testing-chaos-covid19-shambles-18937489

 

 

Just plain dangerous. His poor wife could still be having pregnancy complications even in this set up. I hope shes OK. I dont think Steve will ever clap for the NHS.

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3 minutes ago, The Masked Tulip said:

Two of my neighbours, 70's, who have stayed in from March till August when their kids and grand-kids started turning up have gone back to having their youngest grand-kid stay with them for a few hours after school.

The school is behind their house. The kid goes to their house in the afternoon until his parents can come pick him up around 6ish or 7ish. Thank goodness that he is not mixing with any other kids during the day.

My mum is having my school age niece at the weekend. Mind you she's been on two holidays too. 

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3 minutes ago, The Masked Tulip said:

 

Even better, according to the papers people have been travelling to Rhondda Cynon Taff - which is basically a line in a map away from Caerphilly and is also close to lockdown due to a big increase - from across England to get tests because they had heard that RCT had testing available.

Are the people coming from England to RCT bringing the infection with them. Or are they going to a highly infected area and taking it back home? Nuts.

I keep telling everyone. Look at the history of WW1 and WW2 and how the establishment managed things. Complete disaster. It was exceptional people who saved the day why idiots in the establishment made one crap decision after another.

If wonder what the outpatient meds are now for positive tested China Flu cases. Still fuck all - i.e. take a paracetamol?

In my mind, taking into consideration all of the other background fuck ups - initial outbreak, no controls, little/no idea of spread mechanism, no mask, then masks I have zero faith that any of the therapeutic trials in the UK are worth shit either - profilatctic meds are being used all over the world, are they working or not?

It is a farce that we are 9 months down the line and still apparently scrabbling about the weeds.

We really are on our own, which is why still being sensible and taking precautions as I have no faith in any of the measures / treatments / care being put in place in regards either its effectiveness or availability. 

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