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Why are the Conservatives governing like socialists?


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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/08/21/conservatives-governing-like-socialists/   Last December, the Tories won an overwhelming victory at the General Election. A new er

That’s very easy - because the whole business of politics and government in the U.K. is a sham, a theatre to hide the reality that all mainstream parties are bought and paid for and do their donor’s b

My belief is that the Western ''capitalist'' system based on fiat money basically ended in 2008. If the Commies had sent in the tanks in 1989 they could have kept a failed and bankrupt system str

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The country (or world at large) as gone topsy turvy.  It's still to early to say whether the simulation has become overly buggy.

I welcomed Corbyn and this new left stuff a few years ago, not so much as a political choice, but rather as a choice of politics being presented.   Ie some opposition or variability in the spectrum.

Agree we've sort of gone full circle now with it kind of not making much difference.  Other than I guess the cronyism going into overdrive.

And is some of this just preamble to soften us up for the coming UBI?

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13 minutes ago, OurDayWillCome said:

Umbrella Bum Injection? 2020 has already been a bad one, but no, just no!

Not neccassarily on one side or the other with UBI.  Going by the proponents take at least I used to see the value personally in having extra leisure etc but in practice I admit not to know how it would actually pan out.  At the moment it's all sounding a bit dystopic though 😕

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2 minutes ago, Bricks & Mortar said:

Top post, @Bandit Banzai.
I found myself wonderng how far left are they really?
I think I can get to... significantly further left than every Labour government in UK history... which would make them the furthest left ever experienced in our collective island history.
I'm going on measures like wokeness, immigration attitudes, disbursment of free money, attitudes to private employment, NHS spending and worship

Exactly this. It's only when you put it into historical perspective you realise it's really not a Tory government. Not even close.

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Because maybe they have realised that since the war the pattern has been leftish governments spend like fucking bandits, get elected by throwing cash around at favoured groups, and then when the country is proper fucked as a result people turn to the Tories to sort it out.  They then spend a few years balancing the books, people get lazy and want more free shit, and the 'evil Tories' get thrown out.  Rinse and repeat.  

Now, the aim of the Tory party has always been to enrich themselves and their backers whilst keeping the core of 'Old England' going - church, culture, etc.  The balancing the books and protecting the UK was due to the fact they needed a core voting block to come out, plus at least some of them really loved the UK and the Crown.  The new Tory party - Boris and Cameron - have dropped the 'Old England' bit and now just want power for as long as they can so they can enrich themselves.  They can do this because the other team are basically unelectable, and there is minimal risk in ignoring real conservatives.

Hence spending like fucking bandits, throwing any morals under the bus, and running basically a progressive shitshow.

 

This period since about 1995 will be written about in history books (if there are any) in the same was we read about the rotten parliaments.  Corrupt and stupid politicians on both sides fiddling whilst the country descends into anarchy.

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1 hour ago, wherebee said:

 

This period since about 1995 will be written about in history books (if there are any)

How curious. I too date the Age of Stupidity, as starting in 1995. I'm not sure which particular event defines it.

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3 minutes ago, whitevanman said:

I welcome woke government, it hastens the end of this progressives shitshow. The country will eventually go bankrupt and the pound will be worthless. Once that happens reality will reassert itself and many old scores will be settled. 

Accelerationism

yes, true, but recovery is not always guaranteed.  Look at Constantinople.  Infighting and bad policies ended a thousand year civilisation and the muslim invaders are still in control 600 years later.

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2 hours ago, wherebee said:

Because maybe they have realised that since the war the pattern has been leftish governments spend like fucking bandits, get elected by throwing cash around at favoured groups, and then when the country is proper fucked as a result people turn to the Tories to sort it out.  They then spend a few years balancing the books, people get lazy and want more free shit, and the 'evil Tories' get thrown out.  Rinse and repeat.  

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7 hours ago, Bricks & Mortar said:

Top post, @Bandit Banzai.
I found myself wonderng how far left are they really?
I think I can get to... significantly further left than every Labour government in UK history... which would make them the furthest left ever experienced in our collective island history.
I'm going on measures like wokeness, immigration attitudes, disbursment of free money, attitudes to private employment, NHS spending and worship

On its current projection, the NSH will account for 75% of UKGOV spending in 10 years.

Once you factor unpaid pension into NHS spend then we have Europes most expensive healthcare system,. with the worst outcome.

 

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I’m confused by DOSBODs sometimes..   calling for a party of law and order while simultaneously often referring to the UK as a police state while committing civil disobedience regarding face mask policies.

Perhaps if there is equal disagreement on both sides they have got the balance about right?

Which I think is the point..  all parties are centrist,  because on the whole people don’t vote very far left or right.  Corbyn tried to veer a little further left of centre and he was crucified at the polls.  If the Tories lean too far right,  they will get the same.  
 

My personal view is that they are ok,   or at least,  better than any other current alternative.    Boris has lost his way a bit since he had his baby and caught Covid,  but I thought they did a very good job in their first 6 months.   I’m just waiting to see how they manage with Brexit over the next few months.  My only criticism at the moment is that the government feels a little bit leaderless/rudderless..  they started with a great sense of purpose,  and that conviction and focus feels like it has been lost.  Too many deputies and not enough leadership from the chief.

 

Edit to add:  and I think Farage is doing a good job of keeping them honest on immigration.  It would be nice to see him propose more solutions though and not just levelling criticism.

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3 hours ago, whitevanman said:

I welcome woke government, it hastens the end of this progressives shitshow. The country will eventually go bankrupt and the pound will be worthless. Once that happens reality will reassert itself and many old scores will be settled. 

Accelerationism

It is inevitable. It is the Schumpeter/Kondratieff wave. What worries me is what happens not when (that’s easy, it is societal collapse)  but AFTER The wavelength reaches zero.
 

The hordes are already at the gates. Except this time they aren’t from Gaul and Germania, they are from Middle East and Sub Saharan Africa.

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Saying what the country wants politically for it's own good is just too subjective, as soon as I see one of my FB old friends come out with the line "what this country needs" and then they go into detail on what should be done, I just switch off and more often than not just block.

All people can say is what they want personally and hope things have swung your way politically in the nation, and what I want is some tough love. For example I want work rewarded, welfare reformed and where people earn their welfare money by working for it on clean projects etc,  and I want Housing Benefit scroungers given the worst and cheapest housing after 3 months,  immigration all but halted accept for the brightest and the best and real desperate cases, not boat loads of East African non educated men between 18 and 25. I want capitalism in it's truest form and tax paid(the richest as well).

Until crime is sorted in the UK I want police to have far more power and a few skulls cracked if needed, the image of migrant ghettos where they can do as they please ended along with the image of cities and towns on a Friday and Saturday night violent drunks also ended, 75 years olds should be able to socialise in safety as well in the evening.

People crack me up when they suggest the UK under the Tories has been right wing under May, Cameron or Boris, this country has not even come close to being right wing in decades. 

Anyway, that's partly want I want which I think there support for, but sadly no party will give me anything close to any of that

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4 hours ago, whitevanman said:

I welcome woke government, it hastens the end of this progressives shitshow. The country will eventually go bankrupt and the pound will be worthless. Once that happens reality will reassert itself and many old scores will be settled. 

Accelerationism

If we do get a currency collapse, then it will be an IMF bailout and the price will be full fiscal integration with the EU. 

So be careful what you wish for.  

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