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Shame really as an actual liberal party could do a lot of good for the economic problems the UK currently has. Taxing land value was a central belief of the old Liberal party, and letting house prices and the banks feel market forces instead of constantly meddling to keep them propped up would also be liberalism.

Not that the current Lib Dems are anything like that, they are just as keen on maintaining the economic status quo as the other two.

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1 hour ago, Darude said:

Shame really as an actual liberal party could do a lot of good for the economic problems the UK currently has. Taxing land value was a central belief of the old Liberal party, and letting house prices and the banks feel market forces instead of constantly meddling to keep them propped up would also be liberalism.

Not that the current Lib Dems are anything like that, they are just as keen on maintaining the economic status quo as the other two.

The old Liberal party died under Lloyd George in the Great War. There was no way the values of true classical liberalism could survive the onslaught of statism required to maintain that conflict. Today's 'Lib-Dems' are basically just the Gang of Four (SDP) from the 80s, middle class leftists who think Labour has too many grubby working class people in it.

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1 minute ago, Austin Allegro said:

The old Liberal party died under Lloyd George in the Great War. There was no way the values of true classical liberalism could survive the onslaught of statism required to maintain that conflict. Today's 'Lib-Dems' are basically just the Gang of Four (SDP) from the 80s, middle class leftists who think Labour has too many grubby working class people in it.

But it does!

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26 minutes ago, Austin Allegro said:

Today's 'Lib-Dems' are basically just the Gang of Four (SDP) from the 80s, middle class leftists who think Labour has too many grubby working class people in it.

Nothing wrong with being middle class, it would be nice to have a party that would stick up for the middle class by allowing asset prices to find a level at which a normal person could realistically accumulate a decent amount of capital (a house and a pension) out of one lifetime's worth of wages. At the moment the big two parties are fighting on the same ground of keeping the rich rich through asset price inflation and trying to keep just enough of the plebs on side through public spending and culture war virtue signalling.

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Still, kudos to the LibDems for not choosing another middle aged white bloke  PPE oxbridge type.

In his victory speech, the new leader spoke of the task ahead, with the party only achieving single digit support in the the latest opinion polls.

"Nationally our party has lost touch with too many voters," he said. "Yes, we are powerful advocates locally. Our campaigners listen to local people, work hard for communities and deliver results.

"But at the national level. We have to face the facts of three disappointing general election results."

He added: "The truth is, voters don't believe the Liberal Democrats want to help ordinary people get on in life.

"It is time for us to start listening. And as leader, I have got that message. I am listening now."

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19 hours ago, spygirl said:

Still, kudos to the LibDems for not choosing another middle aged white bloke  PPE oxbridge type.

Private school, PPE, management consultant, energy minister during the Coalition then worked as a lobbyist for EDF, knighthood and member of the Privy Council. What a breath of fresh air.

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The Green Party of England and Wales are also having a leadership contest, one of the candidates has a PhD in computer science and had a mixed martial arts career.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosi_Sexton

With the Lib Dems in such a sorry state and Labour shifting right this might be a window of opportunity for the Greens to pick up some disaffected radicals from Labour and overtake the Lib Dems. Certainly the Greens are doing well elsewhere in Europe e.g. Germany where they have overtaken the SPD (equivalent to Labour) in the polls.

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2 hours ago, Darude said:

The Green Party of England and Wales are also having a leadership contest, one of the candidates has a PhD in computer science and had a mixed martial arts career.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosi_Sexton

With the Lib Dems in such a sorry state and Labour shifting right this might be a window of opportunity for the Greens to pick up some disaffected radicals from Labour and overtake the Lib Dems. Certainly the Greens are doing well elsewhere in Europe e.g. Germany where they have overtaken the SPD (equivalent to Labour) in the polls.

Nah,  you've posted the wrong link - that's Todd Carty! (Tucker Jenkins for those of a certain age)

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22 hours ago, spygirl said:

Still, kudos to the LibDems for not choosing another middle aged white bloke  PPE oxbridge type.

In his victory speech, the new leader spoke of the task ahead, with the party only achieving single digit support in the the latest opinion polls.

"Nationally our party has lost touch with too many voters," he said. "Yes, we are powerful advocates locally. Our campaigners listen to local people, work hard for communities and deliver results.

"But at the national level. We have to face the facts of three disappointing general election results."

He added: "The truth is, voters don't believe the Liberal Democrats want to help ordinary people get on in life.

"It is time for us to start listening. And as leader, I have got that message. I am listening now."

If he wants an instant win he could stand against Covid bollocks.

He won't though.

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You know it's bad when the first thing they say is something Cameronesque like "we must start listening". It's code for "we will never change anything but we will take lots of opportunities to practice our slightly frowny intense listening face whenever people ask us to fix anything". Classic corporate people management technique, management have no intention of doing anything to make it better for the workers but rather than risk confrontation by saying that outright they will just listen and listen until people give up raising issues.

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