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Doesn't really seem like it's for general public consumption though really?

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What that means, in practice, is that the consultees to whom this document is addressed are a specialist audience, made up of people and organisations that we would expect have a detailed knowledge of the legislative and practical context in which these proposals sit – and also of the likely impact of the measures. It is also an audience generally used to discussing draft legislation without having all of the detail explained.

That means providing in this document less detail than the general reader might like – but a level of detail that is proportionate to the exercise. We do appreciate that some people may prefer us to have undertaken a different sort of consultation exercise, even in the limited time available. This is one of the reasons why some of the provisions are time limited or have review provisions built into them. Some debates will necessarily be renewed, whatever the outcome of this consultation exercise.

A vaguely encouraging point, it goes on to say:

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What this consultation exercise is definitely not about is who would, or would not, be vaccinated as part of a COVID-19 or flu vaccination programme, or how the NHS in each UK nation would commission or run it.

Quite a lot more to read and understand there though.

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1 minute ago, Dogtania said:

Silly, but I get paranoid that by responding I'd somehow be put on a list of some sorts 🤔😕

Yes, did consider it, but certainly already have a file from privacy campaigning in my youth, so fuck 'em.

A good bellwether is if I ever get a knock on the door. 

Then I know we were right for certain all along.

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5 minutes ago, MrLibertyRedux said:

Yes, did consider it, but certainly already have a file from privacy campaigning in my youth, so fuck 'em.

A good bellwether is if I ever get a knock on the door. 

Then I know we were right for certain all along.

Well against my better judgement I did respond cautiously explaining folly to rush into things, if anything give to the elderly only and lastly that there could be consequences if given to only those who can't pay there way out (ie future accurate test for green light passport travel).

I normally stay in the shadows though so is something at least.

Never been to as campaign or demo before and hopefully whatever record they may or may not have had on me for whatever reason previously has been mothballed.

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26 minutes ago, Dogtania said:

Well against my better judgement I did respond cautiously explaining folly to rush into things, if anything give to the elderly only and lastly that there could be consequences if given to only those who can't pay there way out (ie future accurate test for green light passport travel).

I normally stay in the shadows though so is something at least.

Never been to as campaign or demo before and hopefully whatever record they may or may not have had on me for whatever reason previously has been mothballed.

I said similar 

Also said no one or company should ever  be given immunity regarding liability  for any product that is funded via the taxpayer 

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23 minutes ago, Long time lurking said:

I said similar 

Also said no one or company should ever  be given immunity regarding liability  for any product that is funded via the taxpayer 

That's a good point.  I didn't touch on that section but thought about something along the lines of there needs to be some form of compensation for those who later -inevitably?- suffer badly.  I don't know, a war pension or something for injured soldiers.

Definitely concerning that it's getting sprung on us and I'm still yet to see it as that bad.  Granted you have the power of exponential etc but still it's no Spanish flu surely, and they came out at the end.  Don't think antibiotics were properly developed back then and a lot may have died of the bacterial infection.  And now seems we know more about treatment be it using ionosphere (hydroxy or less so others maybe like quercitine) to administer zinc effectively and such like, then this vaccine push is folly.

Was going to ask what are China up to now - they seem to have a handle on things and I don't mean neccassarily just infection rates (maybe there understanding of)?   Spectating from their pool parties probably.  Well I see one company has been given the clear for a patent but is partnering up with the Canadians.  The China company name kind of stuck out though as quite apt...cansino.

 

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2 hours ago, leggers said:

Doesn't really seem like it's for general public consumption though really?

Just as long as they're not asking medics or nurses.  Because of the legal issues around healthcare, they're conditioned to be 'rule followers'.  Sure, an important part of their job can be a difficult juggling of different possible conditions and different options for treatment, but they're definitely not allowed to go off-piste on some alternative therapy they've thought up.  I'm not moaning about this -- this approach is vitally important -- just that it is an important point.

Eg, I recall seeing a survey of US medics about Covid vaccination, and they were unhappy with every option other than 'administer a vaccine authorised by the <regulatory authority>'  Ie, it was okay once it had been turned in to an official rule; the basis of that decision wasn't that important (eg, standard 4 year clinical trials vs 6 month 'some bits not included' clinical trials).

The opinions to consider would be:  legal, ethical (smart laymen, not standard medics), virologists, vaccine development experts, epidemiologists.

 

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I haven't responded and probably will not.

AIUI [I have only read reports on news sites and here], this is about rushing the vaccine out and no compo culture. It says nothing about compulsory vaccination .

I support both of those. My only comment on compo culcha is is the drugs companys are not on the hook for compo they don't need to be paid as much.

Rushing the vaccine out would be great. PLEEZE give all the karens fucking saline and tell 'em its a vaccine then we can go back to normal winter with a nasty flu doing the rounds.

 

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It's always seemed like money for old rope to me that to get your holiday jabs you have to go to a clinical centre and pay a nurse £££ to give you a few tens of pence worth of vaccine.

After our first was born my partner needed regular jabs for the first week or so and the hospital packed us off with a box of clever spring-loaded syringes that anybody could administer. I did it for my partner, just had to hold the syringe to the skin and press a button and the needle fired into the skin and injected the drug. Dead easy.

Ideally all vaccines would be available like this, just order them from an online pharmacy for a few quid and click the auto-inject button, job done. Cut the medical insiders out of the loop, get the cost down, save yourself the bother of having to book an appointment and take time off work and schlep down to some miserable GP office etc.

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According to the guardian headline of a couple of days ago - glanced in walking past a newsagents - the army is likely going to be used for Covid mass vaccinations.  Apart from anything else I expect that's another effective way for those responsible to offload responsibility and escape compo claims.

From the no compo pharmas straight to the no compo army and then into your arm - neatly avoiding any come back. 

They'll say it's necessary because of the numbers but if GPs were organised it's well within their capabilities.  That's if there has to be a mass vaccination programme.

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