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How long at low death rates before gov starts to relax measures.


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Currently deaths of people who tested CV+ is 10 a day or so. Most probably died from something else but anyway it's 10 out of a usual natural death toll of 1300 a day = not a lot.

The new changes are in response to nonsense case numbers [increased testing with same positivity proportion produces increased cases. Who knew?].

Now there is a question whether the deaths and hospitalisations will rise due to the infected young passing the virus on to the vulnerable. It may or may not. Bear in mind many of the previous deaths were down to care home seeding from NHS discharges which shouldn't be repeated.

My question is how long with low death rates before a reversal and clammerring by the tabloids, hopefully responded to, is for UNLOCK?

I feel like I've reached the same conclusion as the majority just a bit early. I do accept I may be wrong but even in EU where their resurgence is said to be ahead of ours, deaths are not many yet.

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The nazi governer of Victoria, Australia, has said he will consider easing martial law when cases fall below five a day. But not before October 26th.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-54139669

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Last weekend, coronavirus conspiracy theorists held "Freedom Day" events across Australia to protest against what they labelled the country's "overblown" response to the pandemic.
 
While delivering his coronavirus update on Saturday, Victorian premier Daniel Andrews said the protesters were "selfish, unlawful and wrong".
 
"It's not smart, it's not right ... it's not the time for protest," he said. "No one has the right to make choices like that, that potentially puts at risk everything we are working towards."

Oh, just fuck off.

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There is certainly a focus on increased cases and not a lot on deaths or hospital admissions especially icu. Makes me think there isn't much to report there as 'media doesn't like mediocrity'.

Notable and surprising exception is BBCs Hugh Pym (I think) who I've heard a couple of times mention very low death rate currently.

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If the death rate matters why did they impose measures?

It's about stopping protests before they bring in evening curfew, then day time curfew, then some people disappearing, then cancelling elections, raiding bank accounts and pensions, etc

 

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Death rate is not the issue. This virus attacks almost every organ in the body including the brain. People shouldn't be focusing on the death rate as being the most important aspect (as I've been saying since April/March).

This virus was possibly engineered in a lab to cause nasty damage. It isn't yet fully understood. Therefore it would be criminal to pretend that everything can go back to normal.

Another full lockdown is coming soon as cases escalate. So the opposite of what you are saying.

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Also, as I've pointed out on another thread, the Government can 'unlock' all it wants - 50% of the country will just ignore it and carry on in pandemic mode until cases are far, far lower than they are now. So we would only have normality minus 50% of spending/footfall/activity etc.

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The impacts I'm talking about aren't a hospital issue. I'm not focused on hospitalisation either.

I'm interested in the 5-10% cardiovascular damage, brain impairment and other issues.

People seem to have forgotten that this virus could be a weapon. The damage and impact may not be immediately apparent if it has been designed to be slow acting.

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It’s not about a virus or death rates. I don’t know what it is about, but definitely not virus and death rates.  So, in answer, the establishment isn’t going to change either the narrative or response. 

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1 minute ago, M S E Refugee said:

It seems to be pretty harmless to the vast majority of people 

So far. 

What if it was designed with a payload that activates in 1-2 years? Or what if we can't vaccinate and it was designed to kill or have far worse impact on the second or third time you catch it?

The point is we don't really know yet. So anyone blithely exposing themselves to it is just crazy.

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1 minute ago, Errol said:

So far. 

What if it was designed with a payload that activates in 1-2 years? Or what if we can't vaccinate and it was designed to kill or have far worse impact on the second or third time you catch it?

The point is we don't really know yet. So anyone blithely exposing themselves to it is just crazy.

Would you take a vaccine if one were available?

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Just now, Errol said:

So far. 

What if it was designed with a payload that activates in 1-2 years? Or what if we can't vaccinate and it was designed to kill or have far worse impact on the second or third time you catch it?

The point is we don't really know yet. So anyone blithely exposing themselves to it is just crazy.

If this is the case, and I’m not doubting you, then the government should be a) warning us in no uncertain terms and, b) declaring war on whoever manufactured and unleashed it. 

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10 minutes ago, Errol said:

So far. 

What if it was designed with a payload that activates in 1-2 years? Or what if we can't vaccinate and it was designed to kill or have far worse impact on the second or third time you catch it?

The point is we don't really know yet. So anyone blithely exposing themselves to it is just crazy.

How is the view from your bunker?

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1 hour ago, Errol said:

So far. 

What if it was designed with a payload that activates in 1-2 years? Or what if we can't vaccinate and it was designed to kill or have far worse impact on the second or third time you catch it?

The point is we don't really know yet. So anyone blithely exposing themselves to it is just crazy.

A bit bond villainesque having such a weapon that may affect so few people relatively speaking?

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The only death rates that stop this is a sudden increase in politicians, media moguls and police dying violently.

This is not about a virus, the virus is the opportunity they needed, never let a crisis go to waste we are utterly fucked we took it all to easy 

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1 hour ago, Errol said:

So far. 

What if it was designed with a payload that activates in 1-2 years? Or what if we can't vaccinate and it was designed to kill or have far worse impact on the second or third time you catch it?

The point is we don't really know yet. So anyone blithely exposing themselves to it is just crazy.

Pew pew pew what if aliens come down from the sky with laserbeams in 3-4 years

What if.. What if..

 

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1 hour ago, One percent said:

If this is the case, and I’m not doubting you, then the government should be a) warning us in no uncertain terms and, b) declaring war on whoever manufactured and unleashed it. 

Also if we're really at war, huddling in our homes while continuing to import consumer goods from the enemy isn't exactly a winning (or even a survival) strategy.

Politically it might be a sensible play, though -- the govt might as well be hanged for a lamb as for a goose. Admitting "we panicked and ruined the economy probably for nothing" would be so damaging that "extend and pretend" (in the hope that enough people believe and/or that Sweden somehow comes a cropper) might now be the optimal strategy.

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11 minutes ago, Lightly Toasted said:

Also if we're really at war, huddling in our homes while continuing to import consumer goods from the enemy isn't exactly a winning (or even a survival) strategy.

Politically it might be a sensible play, though -- the govt might as well be hanged for a lamb as for a goose. Admitting "we panicked and ruined the economy probably for nothing" would be so damaging that "extend and pretend" (in the hope that enough people believe and/or that Sweden somehow comes a cropper) might now be the optimal strategy.

I think we will know in a couple of months. 

If deaths do ramp up gov will be applauded. Stopping the socialising may have an impact, whereas economical shutdown, affects jobs/tax take etc is too hard a pill to swallow now. 

 

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7 hours ago, Errol said:

Death rate is not the issue. This virus attacks almost every organ in the body including the brain. People shouldn't be focusing on the death rate as being the most important aspect (as I've been saying since April/March).

This virus was possibly engineered in a lab to cause nasty damage. It isn't yet fully understood. Therefore it would be criminal to pretend that everything can go back to normal.

 

AFAIK,  they were most concerned about long term damage to lungs.. but a study a couple weeks ago found most damage repaired itself within 3 months.

There’s really nothing about this virus yet that suggests bio weapon, it seems to be a pretty standard Coronavirus..  very similar to other known viruses but if anything less deadly. 

To lock down the planet over that seems,  excessive.  

 

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