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Does anyone think it possible to turn Britain around and get the politicians that actually offer real change, Left or Right


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Many on the Left of politics are now behaving like this is D day WW2 in that it is now make or break, we have the WOKE brigade behaving like they just cannot take it anymore and are on the eve of doing something radical, like they have been oppressed long enough and where large groups of ethnics have lived in a regime of modern slavery for too long now or where those living on decades of welfare and free housing, food and clothing have not got their "fair share", all complete bollox of course.

But whether you are Left, Right or central, or like me just don't see yourself fitting in any of those boxes though realising when you make a statement you know which box you will be put into, does anyone else feel there is not a political party even close to coming near where you want to see the country heading in the future. I find it massively frustrating where nearly all the politicians are scared to be seen making the decisions they should be making because of how they will be see, so they just about ignore everything that is chipping away at our society.

Can anyone see the day when we get the politicians who are going to offer us the real choices we all want, and if that means the Left openly admitting they want a 5 hour week Max and all the whites put on a mass trial with the worst executed :) then fine, and the Right(if you want to call it that) giving the country a hard dose of tough love where you will work 40 minimum if able if on welfare, just quality immigration of the best coming in, crime dealt with initially like it's a major war and then controlled there after, and where work, tax paying, putting into your own community is properly rewarded and the top 1% pay their proper fucking taxes.

Does anyone think it is possible to turn this country around?

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It only gets turned around when the evil fuckers behind the scenes that control everything get taken out. Pray for Trump.

To answer the OP, I think it unlikely, before things get much worse, and then it might be too late. The Problem you’re up against us that the entire country had been infiltrated by leftists and g

Of my five closest, oldest friends in the UK, 1 has cut ties effectively because I am apparently fascist (because I shared a population projection on muslim demographics in the UK), 1 is close to cutt

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11 minutes ago, NTB said:

It only gets turned around when the evil fuckers behind the scenes that control everything get taken out. Pray for Trump.

My thoughts too.

its frustrating that we appear to be up against a mostly faceless enemy, apart from maybe Soros.

One thing I really don’t get is why, if the man is so bad, he isn’t just taken out? There has to be people with the will to do it and It can’t be that hard for a security service somewhere to work out where he is and drop a laser guided MOAB on his saggy old ball bag face?

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2 minutes ago, haroldshand said:

Does anyone think it is possible to turn this country around?

 

At the moment, the free money train is still rolling along....   choo choo.....

(free money being the benefits system for the poorest and zero-rate money for the richest)

When the economy hits rock bottom and lots of people lose their jobs and notice the devaluation, then they will get angry and turn against the wokerati.

 

 

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8 minutes ago, Reck B said:

My thoughts too.

its frustrating that we appear to be up against a mostly faceless enemy, apart from maybe Soros.

One thing I really don’t get is why, if the man is so bad, he isn’t just taken out? There has to be people with the will to do it and It can’t be that hard for security services to work out where he is and drop a laser guided MOAB on his saggy old ball bag face?

IMO that would actually be counter-productive.

His funded institutions with their world government agenda would continue on their purpose and he will have other family members, thinking the same as him and maybe even more extreme, to take over.

At present we can see the raddled face of Satan himself.  The best anti-Soros PR is Soros himself.

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The only way to deal with him is to do as Hungary has done and ban all of his institutions from the country.

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2 minutes ago, Frank Hovis said:

IMO that would actually be counter-productive.

His funded institutions with their world government agenda would continue on their purpose and he will have other family members, thinking the same as him and maybe even more extreme, to take over.

At present we can see the raddled face of Satan himself.  The best anti-Soros PR is Soros himself.

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The only way to deal with him is to do as Hungary has done and ban all of his institutions from the country.

A fair point, but I wonder why it's just Hungary who are prepared to take such action against him?

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17 minutes ago, Reck B said:

My thoughts too.

its frustrating that we appear to be up against a mostly faceless enemy, apart from maybe Soros.

One thing I really don’t get is why, if the man is so bad, he isn’t just taken out? There has to be people with the will to do it and It can’t be that hard for a security service somewhere to work out where he is and drop a laser guided MOAB on his saggy old ball bag face?

I think the main issue is the extent of the control and how long it has been in place. It's not just politics, they appear to control media, publishing, banking, big tech, the legal system, some of the security apparatus, education, the UN and WHO, mexican cartels, ISIS plus god knows what else.

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3 minutes ago, Reck B said:

A fair point, but I wonder why it's just Hungary who are prepared to take such action against him?

They know him best; he is Hungarian.

I also expect that he paid special attention to his home nation with the intention of that being the first one to lose its nation status.

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1 minute ago, Frank Hovis said:

They know him best; he is Hungarian.

I also expect that he paid special attention to his home nation with the intention of that being the first one to lose its nation status.

Just discovered it's not just Hungary;
 

https://fellowshipoftheminds.com/george-soros-banned-from-6-countries

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Some countries, however, have taken steps to expel and ban Soros, his operatives, and his Open Society. In chronological order, the six countries are:

  1. Pakistan
  2. Poland
  3. Turkey
  4. Russia
  5. Hungary
  6. Philippines

While not outright banning him, the Israeli government has said Soros is not welcome there.

 

 

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I think part of the problem is that our political system both left and right is steeped in ideologies that date back to the 19th century or earlier.

How the rantings of Marx about capital and labour for instance, based on a world before the internal combustion engine was ubiquitous, manned powered flight had been achieved, splitting the atom, spaceflight, genetic engineering, globalisation and the rest, could still be relevant today causes me great consternation.

Add in a population size and growth that is unsustainable, the technological revolution we are living through, I believe the political ideologies that were to be found wanting in the post war second half of the 20th century, are frankly now worthless.

Combine that with a total and complete lack of calibre amongst the political class and a lot of our so called business elite, what we are seeing is hardly surprising.

Not an exaggeration to say what we are witnessing is the game for human civilisation playing out in real time.

Sadly I don't have the answers, just more questions, what I do know is the way we are carrying on, things are not going to get better. And our politicians haven't the faintest idea what to do about it. They are just pissing in the wind while society and civilisation burns.

Just Islam alone will destroy everything we have achieved as a species since the Renaissance if we let it (and we are). Let alone everything else.

Interesting times.

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I'd love to see a unity working class nationalist party.

Comprising UKIP of course but also people like Frank Field and Kate Hoey from old Labour and Dave Nellist; a politician of such principle that he refused to draw any more of his MP salary than that of the average wage in his constituency.

One that actively refuses donations from banks and major employers who want cheap labour and will aim to genuinely better the lot of British workers.

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58 minutes ago, Mirror Mirror said:

To answer the OP, I think it unlikely, before things get much worse, and then it might be too late.

The Problem you’re up against us that the entire country had been infiltrated by leftists and globalists, from central government all the way through the police, the CPS, the universities & schools, the legacy media, most social media, to the lowest parish council.

Add to that, these people have done a good job brainwashing the majority of the population so that they either agree with it or just don’t care.

Of my five closest, oldest friends in the UK, 1 has cut ties effectively because I am apparently fascist (because I shared a population projection on muslim demographics in the UK), 1 is close to cutting ties if I share any more news re muslims or immigration because it it racist (although says that blacks have lower average IQ, he works in a medical field), 1 works for a SJW organisation but is pretty red pilled in secret, 1 thinks trump is terrible and BREXIT is crazy because he watches the BBC, and 1 is like me - a hard nosed factual viewer of the current shitshow.

All Uni educated, all well read, all firm atheists.

They've been largely indoctrinated by the media and government in the UK for 40 years.  financially, they are all just hanging on by fingertips, despite not being big spenders, but fail to join the dots.  Except for the last, would never vote for UKIP.

That is why a firm exposure of evil is needed to shake people.  it's like breaking the indoctrination in the germans after WWII. You need bodies and blood.

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1 hour ago, MrLibertyRedux said:

I think part of the problem is that our political system both left and right is steeped in ideologies that date back to the 19th century or earlier.

How the rantings of Marx about capital and labour for instance, based on a world before the internal combustion engine was ubiquitous, manned powered flight had been achieved, splitting the atom, spaceflight, genetic engineering, globalisation and the rest, could still be relevant today causes me great consternation.

Add in a population size and growth that is unsustainable, the technological revolution we are living through, I believe the political ideologies that were to be found wanting in the post war second half of the 20th century, are frankly now worthless.

Combine that with a total and complete lack of calibre amongst the political class and a lot of our so called business elite, what we are seeing is hardly surprising.

Not an exaggeration to say what we are witnessing is the game for human civilisation playing out in real time.

Sadly I don't have the answers, just more questions, what I do know is the way we are carrying on, things are not going to get better. And our politicians haven't the faintest idea what to do about it. They are just pissing in the wind while society and civilisation burns.

Just Islam alone will destroy everything we have achieved as a species since the Renaissance if we let it (and we are). Let alone everything else.

Interesting times.

Deep down I know we won't get change from the political conveyor belt politicians we have now, anyone that even gets slightly close to altering the status quo is destroyed by the media who I dare say work closer with the politicians than most would believe.

The only way things could possibly change,  and I am not holding my breath, is hardcore rioting, protesting blood on the streets "call me what you want" type of fight back with an even stronger thick skinned articulate leader. I am  going to go deep rural right up North rural for the rest of my life and hopefully will escape most of the crap that is heading our way soon. And hey ho!, I want to see my life out in what I believe is the "British way" which of course I know is subjective, and maybe an alternate Britain is what they young want.

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1 hour ago, Frank Hovis said:

I'd love to see a unity working class nationalist party.

Comprising UKIP of course but also people like Frank Field and Kate Hoey from old Labour and Dave Nellist; a politician of such principle that he refused to draw any more of his MP salary than that of the average wage in his constituency.

One that actively refuses donations from banks and major employers who want cheap labour and will aim to genuinely better the lot of British workers.

The old style Labour party was in a lot of ways something to be proud of, it was based on hard work, community and looking after each other. I loved the idea of the old Boys from the black stuff Alan Bleasdale type socialism, I met many of these types up North in my younger days and loved those people, many of which hated immigration believe it or now.

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10 minutes ago, wherebee said:

Of my five closest, oldest friends in the UK, 1 has cut ties effectively because I am apparently fascist (because I shared a population projection on muslim demographics in the UK), 1 is close to cutting ties if I share any more news re muslims or immigration because it it racist (although says that blacks have lower average IQ, he works in a medical field), 1 works for a SJW organisation but is pretty red pilled in secret, 1 thinks trump is terrible and BREXIT is crazy because he watches the BBC, and 1 is like me - a hard nosed factual viewer of the current shitshow.

All Uni educated, all well read, all firm atheists.

They've been largely indoctrinated by the media and government in the UK for 40 years.  financially, they are all just hanging on by fingertips, despite not being big spenders, but fail to join the dots.  Except for the last, would never vote for UKIP.

That is why a firm exposure of evil is needed to shake people.  it's like breaking the indoctrination in the germans after WWII. You need bodies and blood.

Believe it or not I have had to cut ties with more than half of my FB friends because their right wing views are way over the top :). If the WOKE community think things are bad now then they need to pray that the armed forces and ex armed force vets don't get 10 fold bigger and have any power, that even scares me

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32 minutes ago, haroldshand said:

Deep down I know we won't get change from the political conveyor belt politicians we have now, anyone that even gets slightly close to altering the status quo is destroyed by the media who I dare say work closer with the politicians than most would believe.

The only way things could possibly change,  and I am not holding my breath, is hardcore rioting, protesting blood on the streets "call me what you want" type of fight back with an even stronger thick skinned articulate leader. I am  going to go deep rural right up North rural for the rest of my life and hopefully will escape most of the crap that is heading our way soon. And hey ho!, I want to see my life out in what I believe is the "British way" which of course I know is subjective, and maybe an alternate Britain is what they young want.

For me, and a lot of people, the dominant cause over the last twenty years has been Brexit - Leave or Remain.

On that politicians have clearly set out their stalls and we have voted accordingly.

I voted first for May and then for Boris purely because of that one issue and others will have voted Swinson or Corbyn because of their takes upon the issue.  That doesn't mean that I rate May or Boris; I don't. 

By the next election - unless something very unexpected happens - Brexit will be history and then attention will turn to the next big issue.

Whist the BBC would have you believe that is the environment I think it may very well be immigration and each party will then set out its stand upon that; up to now none of them have made any effort to change the open door policy that Blair created.

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3 hours ago, wherebee said:

No.

If Trump wins AND exposes the evil of some of the US politicians, then MAYBE.

But just trust the plan bro, 4D chess, Zion Don will sort it out.

Why do we need to wait for him to get re-elected? he's president NOW.

Anyone who still thinks he's /ourguy/ at this point, well, I don't know what to tell you.

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