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Holiday chalet/caravan on static site, any experience anyone?


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Not sure if this is OK to put this up on a property thread, but it is sort of property related

Just got back from yet another trip in the Lakes, seem to be spending half the year up there along with Northumberland, usually hiking, cycling or swimming or all three. I am a mad outdoor nut and love it up there, but hotels and hired cottages etc are getting expensive. This time though on a detour home, a long detour home that took me to the Galloway coast I come across this fantastic rural chalet and caravan park for long stay customers who buy. I had a chat with the owner who gave me the prices, you can get a sizable static chalet/caravan for about £30,000  and the site fees are as low as £3000 per year which I thought were brilliant if you saw the place.

I would save a fortune and plus I could rent out if I was not using the place myself, has anyone had any experience of these places?

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Just bought a static in the Lake District this year.  Silecroft, next to a fabulous beach and 30 mins from Coniston and Wast Water.  Never thought we were a static kind of family, but love it.  £20k for a 7yr old 35ft 2 bed with stunning deck and views of the sea and Black Combe.  Site fees £2,400  year.  Insurance about £150 and then gas/electric - probably about £250/yr.

Not allowed to let commercially but friends and family can use.  No stipulation on age of van - some of the bigger sites require you to replace your van at 15 yrs old.

Used it loads this year, despite Lockdown and feel it's been worth it so far.  Remains to be seen whether we still feel like that after a few more years.

 

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Being a bit of a skinflint we just do caravans off websites or last minute deals usually about £69 to £100 for 5 days. That's about the same pro rata ( site fees/ depreciation)  as owning 365 days and you can't holiday all year round. No hassle of ownership, though you take pot luck on position each time.

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I would enquire about the site ownership and get a good feel for the site.

My uncle had a static as has main base post separation; letting his wife live in their old house.  It was near enough that I popped up for the day to take up his offer of a tour and it was genuinely lovely.  There was a little clubhouse and games room where there were things like quizzes. 

Renting out was banned - this was a very good thing as it meant that a community developed with people helping each other out and those buying them doing so because they intended to spend a lot of time there.  It was reasonably big but people tended to know the people in their section and some others.

You could let your family stay there in but no renting commercially.

Also there were no tourers or camping.

He was there maybe ten years or more and lived there probably eight months of the year (my impression).

Then a couple of years the site owners were bought out by a national chain.  Annual fees went up, tourers were allowed.  It ruined it and he sold up and bought a flat.

 

I would have happily lived there under the previous owners and not just because it is a very cheap way to live.  Whilst you couldn't live there all year in theory he said several did however you could not use it as a postal address.

It was though, as I think most of the really nice quiet sites are, a retired / old people's site with not many there under 60.

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2 hours ago, BearingUp said:

Just bought a static in the Lake District this year.  Silecroft, next to a fabulous beach and 30 mins from Coniston and Wast Water.  Never thought we were a static kind of family, but love it.  £20k for a 7yr old 35ft 2 bed with stunning deck and views of the sea and Black Combe.  Site fees £2,400  year.  Insurance about £150 and then gas/electric - probably about £250/yr.

Not allowed to let commercially but friends and family can use.  No stipulation on age of van - some of the bigger sites require you to replace your van at 15 yrs old.

Used it loads this year, despite Lockdown and feel it's been worth it so far.  Remains to be seen whether we still feel like that after a few more years.

 

Thanks 

 

2 hours ago, BearingUp said:

Just bought a static in the Lake District this year.  Silecroft, next to a fabulous beach and 30 mins from Coniston and Wast Water.  Never thought we were a static kind of family, but love it.  £20k for a 7yr old 35ft 2 bed with stunning deck and views of the sea and Black Combe.  Site fees £2,400  year.  Insurance about £150 and then gas/electric - probably about £250/yr.

Not allowed to let commercially but friends and family can use.  No stipulation on age of van - some of the bigger sites require you to replace your van at 15 yrs old.

Used it loads this year, despite Lockdown and feel it's been worth it so far.  Remains to be seen whether we still feel like that after a few more years.

 

Thanks for that, big help.

I did the numbers 5 minutes after returning home and thought I must be missing something, it is very affordable and very doable, you have confirmed it. I could use it next year 4 months minimum, though it would be nice to rent it out for maybe 3 or 4 months

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6 hours ago, crashmonitor said:

Being a bit of a skinflint we just do caravans off websites or last minute deals usually about £69 to £100 for 5 days. That's about the same pro rata ( site fees/ depreciation)  as owning 365 days and you can't holiday all year round. No hassle of ownership, though you take pot luck on position each time.

what websites?

 

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On 28/09/2020 at 17:21, haroldshand said:

Not sure if this is OK to put this up on a property thread, but it is sort of property related

Just got back from yet another trip in the Lakes, seem to be spending half the year up there along with Northumberland, usually hiking, cycling or swimming or all three. I am a mad outdoor nut and love it up there, but hotels and hired cottages etc are getting expensive. This time though on a detour home, a long detour home that took me to the Galloway coast I come across this fantastic rural chalet and caravan park for long stay customers who buy. I had a chat with the owner who gave me the prices, you can get a sizable static chalet/caravan for about £30,000  and the site fees are as low as £3000 per year which I thought were brilliant if you saw the place.

I would save a fortune and plus I could rent out if I was not using the place myself, has anyone had any experience of these places?

Is that near @Van Lady?? She might have some local insight. Apologies if I've got my bits of Scotland mixed up.

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On 28/09/2020 at 16:21, haroldshand said:

Not sure if this is OK to put this up on a property thread, but it is sort of property related

Just got back from yet another trip in the Lakes, seem to be spending half the year up there along with Northumberland, usually hiking, cycling or swimming or all three. I am a mad outdoor nut and love it up there, but hotels and hired cottages etc are getting expensive. This time though on a detour home, a long detour home that took me to the Galloway coast I come across this fantastic rural chalet and caravan park for long stay customers who buy. I had a chat with the owner who gave me the prices, you can get a sizable static chalet/caravan for about £30,000  and the site fees are as low as £3000 per year which I thought were brilliant if you saw the place.

I would save a fortune and plus I could rent out if I was not using the place myself, has anyone had any experience of these places?

BTL scum!

You would definitely be able to charge a higher rent on this Anglesey caravan and leisure park:

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-84040042.html

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-68098755.html

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Check if you are allowed use of the site for the full 12 months. Some close for the winter season (due to lack of demand / staff holidays), others have to close for 1 month due to not having a permit for full time accomodation.

Best to have a backup plan just in case you get evicted! https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12740231/thousands-forced-biggest-caravan-park-europe-coronavirus-lockdown/

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I looked at buying a place very recently but backed out and I am now taking the site owners to small claims to recover my £2,000 deposit. There are two types of homes: Park Homes and Holiday Homes. Your's will almost certainly be a holiday home at that price. Park Homes have a lot more rights than Holiday Homes. Holiday Home owners are only allowed on site for 11 months of the year. The park I looked at was mixed usage (Holiday and Park homes) and this was not explained, they advertised as 12 months and stated the same to me in writing. That was not what they were selling at all.

I was given the Park Rules before putting down my deposit and ultimately that is all the protection that I had, as far as I could tell - two pages of large print made-up rules that THEY could drive a truck through! The rules were excessively lax and I thought that I could be asked to leave the site as soon as I had bought the unit. I didn't think there was any legal protection and I would be at the site owners mercy.

Regarding the court case, they seem very lax. I have them lying in emails to get the sale on several occasions. I didn't feel I could trust them at all. I have also read several stories of site owners asking ALL residents to leave either because of Covid or some other reason. I don't think the owners have any say or come back at all. I think the risk is very, very high; far too high for me.

Ultimately, it appears as if they site owner is the primary factor in getting a good experience. I didn't see any real protection for the buyer, but I have never owned such a place.

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Less risky to buy a room in a hotel. xD

Approach it as a commercial lease with a big upfront payment for the static mobile home, and get the paperwork checked over by a solicitor with specialist knowledge before committing to anything or handing over any dosh.

 

 

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I have never owned one but have, on occasion, felt the tug of interest whilst on holiday. I did look into it semi-seriously once, there do seem to be major pitfalls with holiday homes.

Site fees can go up a lot unless your contract is very clear on limits.

You definitely are limited in the amount of time you can live there for.

Most people find that in order to pay the site fees they need rent it out to other people. The reservoir of friends and family tends to run dry quite soon and you end up letting the site owner hire it out. It is a clever business model whereby a portion of the customers pay for the capital investment of the park operator.

Very often there is a limit on the age of the caravans that a site will allow which means there is no chance of keeping the van a year or two extra to eke out the value of your purchase.

These observations apply to commercial parks and there are probably other things that I have forgotten but I would definitely be wary of getting involved.

 

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On 29/09/2020 at 23:28, Sideysid said:

We were handed down a static caravan on the south coast last year, I did the bits that needed doing. This year you get two months extra  on a shorter annual contract due to to COVID. Ours pays for itself especially staycationing going forward. 

I am trying to search out outdoorsy type places in the country, the Lakes, Northumberland or even the Peak district area, the coastal sort of places with amusements and loads of drunks etc does not interest me at all. Just a home in the woods/forests  with a few basics and good views is all that I want and need , but they are a little bit harder to find. Peak district might be even a good choice, but at the end of the day I can get to the Scottish Galloway coast in 6 hours after finishing work, that's not all that bad.

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54 minutes ago, Wight Flight said:

This happens in all areas of life, but is it common? For ever c*** in this world I have found you find 10 or more decent people.

Now spoken to several people who have actually done this and are full of praise, but they have gone for those seaside resort  places that I don't want. One has it written into his contract that his plot if available to him at least for the next 10 years without fear of losing it

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20 hours ago, Doahh said:

I looked at buying a place very recently but backed out and I am now taking the site owners to small claims to recover my £2,000 deposit. There are two types of homes: Park Homes and Holiday Homes. Your's will almost certainly be a holiday home at that price. Park Homes have a lot more rights than Holiday Homes. Holiday Home owners are only allowed on site for 11 months of the year. The park I looked at was mixed usage (Holiday and Park homes) and this was not explained, they advertised as 12 months and stated the same to me in writing. That was not what they were selling at all.

Good luck getting your deposit back.

Not all holiday home owners get 11 months, I've seen 6 months Apr 1 to Sep 30. This £65k is 8 month Mar 1 to 31 Oct

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-97279991.html

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1 hour ago, haroldshand said:

This happens in all areas of life, but is it common? For ever c*** in this world I have found you find 10 or more decent people.

Now spoken to several people who have actually done this and are full of praise, but they have gone for those seaside resort  places that I don't want. One has it written into his contract that his plot if available to him at least for the next 10 years without fear of losing it

No idea how common it is. I am just saying, as others have, that keep in mind that what they tell you may not be what actually happens in reality.

Getting a lawyer to look over the paperwork would be my suggestion.

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3 hours ago, haroldshand said:

This happens in all areas of life, but is it common? For ever c*** in this world I have found you find 10 or more decent people.

Now spoken to several people who have actually done this and are full of praise, but they have gone for those seaside resort  places that I don't want. One has it written into his contract that his plot if available to him at least for the next 10 years without fear of losing it

No.

Static caravan/park homes seem to attract an above average number of crooks (site owners) and idiots (people buying the caravan)

It operates very much like a Carny show at the fair. Usually same people involved.

 

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