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Seems we are developing a new all British (ok, part Italian and Swedish) fighter aircraft..  which ordinarily I would discount as an unnecessary vanity project.   But it actually sounds really good if they can pull it off.

It’s unmanned,  has directed energy (laser) weapons,  can command swarms of drones..  and looks pretty cool.

It will have cost £2bn by 2025..  and would enter service in 2035 to replace the Eurofighter.

Good idea or waste of money?  

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAE_Systems_Tempest

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/84a9b674-fe09-4dd6-a52e-d112ce25d88d

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Track'n'trace has cost £12bn. So far.

I love the TSR-2. Just  like something straight out of Thunderbirds. Bad mistake to cancel it. 

It's BAE supplying to the tax payer. You just know what is going to happen to that 'projected' cost.

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Interesting, I agree, and I like all things aviation, especially military.

The thing is with the way the military are using some technology and proposing to do so reminds me of the comment from Commander Adama in the Battlestar Gallactica remake.

"I will not have a networked computer on this ship".

With good reason, as I recall

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Agree.

They are expensive things.

Specialisation come at a cost. The F35 are everything to everyone.

They will end up a very expensive bomber in a few years. Yet it is not a bomber..or it is?

How the development is kept secure?

Keep costs low and hire a load of overseas Chinese to be involved at all stages......

 

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44 minutes ago, eight said:

Track'n'trace has cost £12bn. So far.

Fffffeeeeck!

I'd not heard that number. I'd like to see a breakdown of what snouts it went up, that's for sure.

6 minutes ago, Bandit Banzai said:

It's BAE supplying to the tax payer. You just know what is going to happen to that 'projected' cost.

Give a house price graph a run for its money, that's for sure too.

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1 hour ago, Libspero said:

 

It’s unmanned,  has directed energy (laser) weapons,  can command swarms of drones..  and looks pretty cool.

It will have cost £2bn by 2025..  and would enter service in 2035 to replace the Eurofighter.

Good idea or waste of money?  

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAE_Systems_Tempest

300px-Team_tempest.jpg
 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/84a9b674-fe09-4dd6-a52e-d112ce25d88d

 

If it is unmanned, we can redesign the shape completely, it does not need to have a cockpit at all. It can be designed in such a way where it can handle non-human G-forces if it had to dodge a missile or maybe they will be expendable anyway.

Or just build one big flying bomb.

The other logical idea is space weapons, where the enemy can't hit you, but you can hit them. These space weapons could launch laser beams, bombs or fighting drones.

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Having said that (about timescales), I don't mind this sort of thing too much (even if it is military spend) -- IMO the entire spend comes back in terms of capability development for the country.

The problem I have is with F35 -- all that money spent but it hasn't led to any capability development (sure, much of it is spent in the UK, but it is just a service delivery -- in terms of tech it is a black-box).

I do find it all rather odd, though -- we'll end up having a mishmash of stuff up there, with nothing actually ideal for any role.  Back in my formative years the UK had in active service at the same time Jaguar, Harrier, Tornado, Phantom, Buccaneer and Lightning (that's just fast/attack jet).   I'd hope we don't go back to that mess.

[I have a feeling that the optimal fleet in the near future would be a humongous pile of remote control Sopwith Camels.  Super cheap to churn out by the thousands and if you needed to do more damage than the machine gun you could just crash one into the target.  They're mainly air, have bugger all radar signature and don't have much of an IR signature.  In a war of attrition, the ability to churn them out faster than guided-missiles would give the win]

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20 minutes ago, 201p said:

 

If it is unmanned, we can redesign the shape completely, it does not need to have a cockpit at all. It can be designed in such a way where it can handle non-human G-forces if it had to dodge a missile or maybe they will be expendable anyway.

Or just build one big flying bomb.

The other logical idea is space weapons, where the enemy can't hit you, but you can hit them. These space weapons could launch laser beams, bombs or fighting drones.

It isn't designed to be unmanned -- it is designed to have unmanned capability.

I agree with your assessment, though -- once you've gone unmanned you can lose all the life-support stuff, which means you can be lighter, which means that you can have smaller engines.  And once you don't have to absolutely, definitely never ever lose a platform (body bags) you can design in some degree of failure, which means you don't have to have all the redundancy, which means you can be lighter etc etc.

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1 hour ago, Libspero said:

Seems we are developing a new all British (ok, part Italian and Swedish) fighter aircraft..  which ordinarily I would discount as an unnecessary vanity project.   But it actually sounds really good if they can pull it off.

It’s unmanned,  has directed energy (laser) weapons,  can command swarms of drones..  and looks pretty cool.

It will have cost £2bn by 2025..  and would enter service in 2035 to replace the Eurofighter.

Good idea or waste of money?  

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAE_Systems_Tempest

300px-Team_tempest.jpg
 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/84a9b674-fe09-4dd6-a52e-d112ce25d88d

Surely that money would be far better spent developing a new cold virus, we could rule the world with one of them. 

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It's about roles. What role can this weapon play in a world of drones, 5G and nuclear weapons?

Not a fucking lot during a proper war.

It might have a peace keeping roll on securing a no fly zone against some third world country.

Imagine having 1,000 of these and China nukes the control centre where the actual pilots are.

 

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26 minutes ago, XswampyX said:

Imagine having 1,000 of these and China nukes the control centre where the actual pilots are.

AI is the future,  nothing to nuke.  

It can’t be bargained with or reasoned with,  it doesn’t feel pity or remorse or pain..  and it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead.

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2 minutes ago, Libspero said:

AI is the future,  nothing to nuke.  

It can’t be bargained with or reasoned with,  it doesn’t feel pity or remorse or pain..  and it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead.

Then what's the point?

Imagine I use my vastly superior AI intelligence to invade the USA and destroy every weapon they have. I then send in my fleshy meat based intelligence in to cement my win... and France uses it's AI to obliterate my meat based products from the face of the earth.

 

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