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I haven’t owned a car since I moved to Canada 11+ years ago. Instead I’ve used Zipcar and, for longer periods, rental cars. COVID has made this a lot harder as, first off, I don’t want to get into cars that may not be entirely clean (big problem with Zipcar specifically) and second, the Zipcar service is getting worse and worse as they’re obviously bleeding cash. So, time to step back into the world of owning motors. Requirements:

Must be big enough to get a bike in the back without needing to take a wheel off.

4wd - no way it’ll get in and out of the lane at the back of my house in winter otherwise.

Not an SUV - fucking hate them!

Not a banger - with the winter climate as it is here and the roads being full of enormous pot holes, that’s not something I’m going to risk.

Can’t be an EV sadly as one of the trips I do regularly is out to a friend’s cottage about 300K away with no fast charge points en-route and no leccy at the far end.  

Budget is max $30K CAD including tax (14%). Thoughts?

https://www.autotrader.ca/

 

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Subaru Forester?

Well, I bought a white Subaru Crosstrek in the end. Two years old, 50,000 KM on the clock, all the extras as far as I can see and the bike fits nicely in the back. 17K CAD + tax so well within budget.

Currently I do all the work connected with servicing, MOT's, DIY repairs to the bumpers (fibreglass stitch tape, epoxy glue etc) new tyres etc. Mrs B just drives the cars and bumps into other cars &am

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2 hours ago, TheBlueCat said:

I haven’t owned a car since I moved to Canada 11+ years ago. Instead I’ve used Zipcar and, for longer periods, rental cars. COVID has made this a lot harder as, first off, I don’t want to get into cars that may not be entirely clean (big problem with Zipcar specifically) and second, the Zipcar service is getting worse and worse as they’re obviously bleeding cash. So, time to step back into the world of owning motors. Requirements:

Must be big enough to get a bike in the back without needing to take a wheel off.

4wd - no way it’ll get in and out of the lane at the back of my house in winter otherwise.

Not an SUV - fucking hate them!

Not a banger - with the winter climate as it is here and the roads being full of enormous pot holes, that’s not something I’m going to risk.

Can’t be an EV sadly as one of the trips I do regularly is out to a friend’s cottage about 300K away with no fast charge points en-route and no leccy at the far end.  

Budget is max $30K CAD including tax (14%). Thoughts?

https://www.autotrader.ca/

 

Mini clubman

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/mini/clubman/96897/mini-cooper-s-clubman-all4-2016-review

 

you would need to drop the back seats to get a bike in 

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Defo nothing made by the Yankees...

Golf GTI https://www.vw.ca/en/models/new-vehicles/golf-gti.html#MOFA

Or the new Honda Civic is a good size

If you bought either of the above second hand in manual form then you could probably get a bargain cos North Americans can't use a 'stick shift' :o

What's with not taking the front wheel off your bike?

Mini clubman has good engines but they're lardy and they look shite ;)

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Just a few thoughts (rather than recommendation that others have done):

When you factor in size of car vs cost it might be effective to buy a folding bike rather than full size (eg, I have a Montague -- 700c wheels but fits in my saloon's boot).  I also don't get the issue with taking off a front wheel.  A cycle carrier would also sort out the issue (albeit also 'with other impacts').

A FWD car on 'Mud & Snow' tyres will often do better than a 4x4 on 'normal tyres'.

If there are lots of potholes to worry about, get a car with wheels with higher profile tyres (rather annoyingly, this is getting more difficult).

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9 minutes ago, The Generation Game said:

As someone living in the Czech Republic surrounded by Skoda's, I find it hilarious that the Canadian autotrader site doesn't have it on the make list but does have Yugo. 

They don't import them.   I was going to suggest Dacia, but they don't import those either.

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Using the criteria you’ve specified there aren’t many options in budget on that Canadian autocar link. 

Golf estate 4wd is about it. 

However :

From curiousity I put the same criteria into the Swiss autoscout thing and there are some fucking ace bargains on big 4wd estates, which may or not be available in Canada on another link.  Most cars are sold globally I think??

Mazda 6 4wd estate and Ford Mondeo 4wd estate, diesels are dirt cheap because no-one wants them, petrols still good value. 

This is fucking ace for the price but would be thirsty. 260 horses with that brilliant Subaru boxer sound. https://www.autoscout24.ch/fr/d/subaru-impreza-break-2018-occasion?vehid=7822234&backurl=%2Fvoitures%2Ftoutes-les-marques%3Fyearfrom%3D2018%26kmto%3D20000%26drive%3D24%26seatsfrom%3D5%26sort%3Dprice_asc%26body%3D1%26vehtyp%3D10&yearfrom=2018&kmto=20000&drive=24&seatsfrom=5&sort=price_asc&body=1&vehtyp=10

Lots of Subaru Levorgs with various engine options. 

Lots of Skoda 4wd Octavia estates.

One 2018 BMW 320d x-drive estate, cheap as chips by BMW standards cos diesel. If you do lots of miles and can get a good example cheap this would be the best car - brilliant mpg and drivetrain - servicing might cost though. 

 

I reckon on another link link you might find all the above in Canada. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, 5min OCD speculator said:

that new Golf GTI is a bargain....white looks shite though :P

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it's nearly as cheap as this 3 year old one....

https://www.autotrader.ca/a/volkswagen/gti/victoria/british columbia/5_49649581_ct20041026145235706?showcpo=ShowCpo&ncse=no&ursrc=pl&urp=3&urm=8&pc=V5Y 3R1&sprx=100

I know little about cars, but the new golf has been in the news recently for having a lot of trouble with its computers. I was shocked by the mentioned figures iirc that in normal times about 30% of new purchases have to go back to the workshop for fixes and with the new golf it's 60%.

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10 minutes ago, steppensheep said:

I know little about cars, but the new golf has been in the news recently for having a lot of trouble with its computers. I was shocked by the mentioned figures iirc that in normal times about 30% of new purchases have to go back to the workshop for fixes and with the new golf it's 60%.

I don't think VW is inherently a bad make (and I'm not saying that because I have a VWAG car) but good advice when buying a car is to never buy a wholly new model. 

Instead wait for the V2 to come out four or five years down the line when most of those flaws will have been removed.

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2 minutes ago, Frank Hovis said:

I don't think VW is inherently a bad make (and I'm not saying that because I have a VWAG car) but good advice when buying a car is to never buy a wholly new model. 

Instead wait for the V2 to come out four or five years down the line when most of those flaws will have been removed.

Yes if reliability is the main criteria, a low-mileage Japanese car that was built towards the end of the production cycle for that particular model is the way to go. 

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You looking for diesel or petrol or not bothered ? 

I presume you are only looking at "new"..  in which case are there car supermarkets in Canada where you can tell a sales guy what you want and he will point you at a line of 50 different options ?

If you would consider "ex-showroom" perhaps speak to a couple of main stealers.  Otherwise I'd look for something second hand with the opposite use that you have planned for it.   If you are high mileage,  get something old with low mileage.  Or if you are low mileage,  get something new (2-3 years old) with high mileage. 

At least,   that's what I'd do.     Good luck !

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7 hours ago, TheBlueCat said:

I haven’t owned a car since I moved to Canada 11+ years ago. Instead I’ve used Zipcar and, for longer periods, rental cars. COVID has made this a lot harder as, first off, I don’t want to get into cars that may not be entirely clean (big problem with Zipcar specifically) and second, the Zipcar service is getting worse and worse as they’re obviously bleeding cash. So, time to step back into the world of owning motors. Requirements:

Must be big enough to get a bike in the back without needing to take a wheel off.

4wd - no way it’ll get in and out of the lane at the back of my house in winter otherwise.

Not an SUV - fucking hate them!

Not a banger - with the winter climate as it is here and the roads being full of enormous pot holes, that’s not something I’m going to risk.

Can’t be an EV sadly as one of the trips I do regularly is out to a friend’s cottage about 300K away with no fast charge points en-route and no leccy at the far end.  

Budget is max $30K CAD including tax (14%). Thoughts?

https://www.autotrader.ca/

 

https://www.motors.co.uk/car-57672645/?i=0&m=sp

 

Might have to drop the seat for the bike though.

 

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3 hours ago, dgul said:

If there are lots of potholes to worry about, get a car with wheels with higher profile tyres (rather annoyingly, this is getting more difficult).

Amen. Even the GFs Nissan had to have 18" diamond cut alloy wheels if we wanted the top tech spec.

They will be curbed to hell in short order even with the sensors and 360 cam! 16" steelies with all seasons going on soon, then any curbing (assume it gets past the side walls), will be a £20 set of plastic hub caps :) Bonus is the ride will improve too!

 

Passat 4motion wagon.

Subaru Legacy.

 

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I haven’t driven in Canada but based on Winter driving experience in Northern USA and Europe, I agree with this article - https://driving.ca/subaru/forester/auto-news/news/roundup-drivings-picks-for-cars-to-survive-a-canadian-winter - that good Winter tyres are the single most important factor.

If the 300k trip is along good, well-ploughed roads and the cabin is close to the highway a two year old petrol Subaru Outback such as https://tinyurl.com/yxrpayub might fit the bill although 11 years with Zipcar and rentals suggests cars are not a matter of status for you …….. so why not go older, cheaper and simpler?

A low mileage Jeep Wrangler - such as https://tinyurl.com/y49y6psv - with a swing away cycle rack and a spare set of 16 inch rims fitted with winter tyres will not be the best on fuel consumption but cheap to maintain and well within the budget.

If that’s too SUV-like, how about a pickup truck? This Ford F150 - https://tinyurl.com/yybgb8ru - plus spare rims and winter tyres will take you, the family, bikes plus luggage and be cheap to maintain.

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Thanks for all the comments and suggestions. Summarizing a response here:

Skoda, Seat, all French makes, most of the Fiat range and most estate cars (e.g. Mondeo estate version, Passat estate and others) aren't available here. If the Mondeo estate was an option, I'd probably go with that as I've driven them in the UK and they're great for lugging stuff around.

A folding bike or bike rack isn't an option (should have mentioned that) as I have track bikes to transport (track bikes can't get wet and I'd look like a right knob riding a folding bike here even if they would let me, which they 100% wouldn't!).

Diesel is fine - no emissions tests in Ontario for non-commercial vehicles - but there isn't any obvious cost advantage and petrol is cheap compared to the UK.

F150 wouldn't fit in my garage and, in any case, I'm not a fucking redneck!

Winter tires - 100% will be getting these, I've driven with and without them in snow here and the difference is huge.

High profile tires - 100% again. I have a friend with some stupid pimped up AMG that has tires about 2mm deep and he goes through new ones (and new rims) like I go through disposable face masks right now.

Up to 2 years old is OK depending on how the thing has been treated.

I care not a jot for status, although I don't want to look like a pikey or a redneck (see above).

Chrysler 300 is an interesting idea but it doesn't appear to have been sold here (or not in a long time at least).

I really don't want to spend more than $30K which rules out most newish Volvos although, agreed, they would likely fit the bill.

The Mini Clubman is possible - I quite like the idea of driving a girls' car for some reason - is there really space for a bike in the back (with the seats down)?

All roads at this point are pointing to Subaru I think. The Crosstrek might work:

https://www.subaru.ca/WebPage.aspx?WebSiteID=282&WebPageID=23326&Range=Crosstrek&ModelYear=2021

And a used Forester is in range although perilously close to being a Chelsea tractor to my eyes: 

https://www.subaru.ca/WebPage.aspx?WebSiteID=282&WebPageID=23405&Range=Forester&ModelYear=2021

The other option that might just work is the Golf estate:

https://www.vw.ca/en/models/new-vehicles/golf-sportwagen.html#MOFA

It does seem pricey for the spec vs the Subaru options though.

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11 minutes ago, Happy Renting said:

Gas Cad$ is something that is difficult for a Brit to relate to. I presume gas prices are similar to those in the US?

About $1.20 a litre right now:

https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/Canada/Ontario/gasoline_prices/#:~:text=Ontario Gasoline prices%2C liter&text=The average value for Ontario,period is 1.65 Canadian Dollar.

So about 70p vs about £1.15. On the other side of the balance, insurance in Toronto is expensive. I'll likely end up paying around $1500 a year for comprehensive cover - so ~ £900. 

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