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Home office ditches the £35,800 minimum salary to settle in the UK


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2 minutes ago, Frank Hovis said:

Credit to Theresa though for having a go:

 

The £35,800 salary threshold was introduced in 2011 by Treason May when she was home secretary as part of the effort to meet the commitment set by David Cameron - something the Government was never able to achieve.

Presumably it didn't have much effect because of EU FoM. Now that that's passing, they need to re-jig the rules to make sure there are enough people here, what with the labour market in the UK being so tight and all.

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13 minutes ago, spygirl said:

Well.

Its moved to points based now.

 

 

Presumably based around mortgage lending eligibility criteria 2001-2007

 

Do you huff up a mirror?

100 points, You're in.

 

I don't blame them. Lets face it, the voters never punish them. The average tory voter has so much self esteem their view generally seems to extend to 'at least they aint labour'

Some praise. 

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23 minutes ago, Lightly Toasted said:

Presumably it didn't have much effect because of EU FoM. Now that that's passing, they need to re-jig the rules to make sure there are enough people here, what with the labour market in the UK being so tight and all.

Our entire economy seems to be a ponzi. They seem to have given up on growth through enriching the settled population some time in the 1990s. Indeed, even before bliar, the french accused us of wanting to be the 'sweatshop of europe'

 

Now growth is solely achieved by growing the population while household wealth stagnates or falls. 

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30 minutes ago, Frank Hovis said:

Credit to Theresa though for having a go:

 

The £35,800 salary threshold was introduced in 2011 by Treason May when she was home secretary as part of the effort to meet the commitment set by David Cameron - something the Government was never able to achieve.

Yet was easily achieved for over 30 years between 1962 to 1997. And has been by numerous countries - including our next door neighbour France, over the last 20 years. 

 

The tories saying they cant reduce immigration is like a central banker saying he cant control inflation without even trying to raise interest rates or curtail money supply growth.

But then, when we have an anti-nativist media, business and political establishment, who will even ask why they never tried.

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I'd suggest that:

  • All sorts of people for all sorts of jobs should be let in.
  • But, for every job type, there should be a plan for UK self-sufficiency.  This should include things like subsidised HE, free training, etc.  The length of the plan should depend on the length of training required.

So, for eg, for nurses (#lovetheNHS), we should import nurses to satisfy demand, but future demand (at the about a + 5 year point) should be able to be satisfied by UK resources.  to get to that point, gov should offer subsidised (potentially free) nurse training so that we'd get to the levels required (x thousand per year) so that we'd not need to import any further staff.

And, for eg, for hand car wash operatives, they should be allowed to come in for about a day or so, until home workers have been trained to wash cars by hand.  

That approach would actually allow the UK to keep on running, but would also help UK plan for future needs (rather than the current mess).

Also, the real cost of that training would help focus minds at gov about what they should be investing in.

 

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8 minutes ago, Sideysid said:

Our economy is a ponzi.

Totally. The government only care about the Glorious GDP figures.

However, the amount of imputed rent (this is where if you own your house outright, they add what it would cost to rent such a house into the GDP figures) in the GDP figures has been steadily increasing. The inflation measures have been gamed to understate inflation and the government has no clue how many people actually live in the country. GDP per capita is lower than the official figure. The average U.K. resident’s quality of life is way lower than 20 years ago even if the official stats claim otherwise.

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2 hours ago, Sideysid said:

Our economy is ponzi. We don’t make anything any more, import everything and buy and sell houses to one another.

Lockdown has highlighted the fact that most jobs are pointless, as the country is still functioning with a good proportion of the country sitting on their arses at home in zoom meetings.

I was at IWM Duxford last week. The true scale of the war effort was immense, in 5 years Britain built 93,028 aircraft. That’s producing the materials, transportation manufacturing, skilled engineering, training of pilots all the while supply lines constantly disrupted. And that’s just the aircraft.

We would not have the skills or even production capacity to produce anything like that 80 years on. After the innovation of the Victorians, the war generation were the last truly great generation which unfortunately gave way to the baby boomers who dismantled everything those generations achieved piece by piece for self benefit, political gain and using media manipulation narrative for control leaving decimation in their wake for generations to come.
 

 

Who birthed and raised the boomers? 

This is a conundrum I just can't get my head round. The greatest generation raised the worst. 

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5 minutes ago, Roger_Mellie said:

Who birthed and raised the boomers? 

This is a conundrum I just can't get my head round. The greatest generation raised the worst. 

Nothing to do with birthing and raising, everything to do with voting (by a group who'd made huge sacrifices and who were told/felt that they deserved to live in a land fit for heroes).

https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/zwhsfg8/revision/4

"Between 1945 and 1951, the Labour Government passed a series of measures which became known as the ‘Welfare State’. These reforms were designed to take care of the British people 'from the cradle to the grave'. This meant that they would be taken care of from the time of their birth, until their death."

 

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So thats it.

The race to the bottom continues apace.

Cheap labour.

All those paying through this crisis and onwards..meaningless.

All to feather the beds of the likes of Tescos...as pointed out in the Wales is fucked thread (paraphrased...they must be earning a profit not to moan at Draconion Drakefords non essential items and child tax credit supported staff).

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24 minutes ago, Lightly Toasted said:

Nothing to do with birthing and raising, everything to do with voting (by a group who'd made huge sacrifices and who were told/felt that they deserved to live in a land fit for heroes).

https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/zwhsfg8/revision/4

"Between 1945 and 1951, the Labour Government passed a series of measures which became known as the ‘Welfare State’. These reforms were designed to take care of the British people 'from the cradle to the grave'. This meant that they would be taken care of from the time of their birth, until their death."

 

Disagree completely, but whatever. 

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1 hour ago, Roger_Mellie said:

Who birthed and raised the boomers? 

This is a conundrum I just can't get my head round. The greatest generation raised the worst. 

Yes pretty much. They went through such hardship (some WW1, spanish flu, WW2, rationing, losses of loved ones to the likes of TB) They wanted to make sure their children would never have to endure what they did.
 

 

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22 minutes ago, Sideysid said:

Yes pretty much. They went through such hardship (some WW1, spanish flu, WW2, rationing, losses of loved ones to the likes of TB) They wanted to make sure their children would never have to endure what they did.
 

 

Understandable reaction. But in the process they ruined their children, and their children went on to elect Blair and Brown who ruined the nation.

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