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Coronavirus: 'Bosses should be more open-minded about hiring disabled people'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54693622

Years ago, I would have bent over backwards to provide a disabled person with a job.

Equally, I would have no qualms or thought about employing a woman under 35.

These days, with the horrendous equality n disability n maternity laws, I'd swerve both. Theres limited upside and potentially business destroying downside.

They even use a stock piccy of a black woman cripple.

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Anyone with any sense would look at someone like that and think - No fucking way.

 

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They had it sussed years ago with Remploy, and most of the loved working there. However, the Labour, Cons & Libtards got in there and ditched it at the same time they invented 'care in the co

Ditto. Having worked with somebody disabled briefly early in my career, and passing over that he was incredibly annoying, I always intended upon receiving an application from a disabled (as in ge

I think Remploy were fucked by the death of the concept of dignity through work. 

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1 minute ago, spygirl said:

Coronavirus: 'Bosses should be more open-minded about hiring disabled people'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54693622

Years ago, I would have bent over backwards to provide a disabled person with a job.

Equally, I would have no qualms or thought about employing a woman under 35.

These days, with the horrendous equality n disability n maternity laws, I'd swerve both. Theres limited upside and potentially business destroying downside.

They even use a stock piccy of a black woman cripple.

_115081815_gettyimages-1210334143-1.jpg

Anyone with any sense would look at someone like that and think - No fucking way.

 

Years ago I often said that if you can spend £100,000 and replace a job, do it. That money is a one off, the machine it buys doesn't talk back, doesn't look for overtime, doesn't look for rises and just plain isn't a PITA. Of course the other argument is that if you don't do it first your competitor will do it and eventually put you out if business.

That was before minimum wage. These days I'd reckon that the qualifying figure is much higher, at least half a million quid.

I mean that it's probably wirt that sort of money to automate a job out if existence, given the direct cost if employment, which can't be less than twice the headline wages, plus all the bullshit and risk if various forms of legal action that come with being an employer.

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5 minutes ago, spygirl said:

Coronavirus: 'Bosses should be more open-minded about hiring disabled people'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54693622

Years ago, I would have bent over backwards to provide a disabled person with a job.

Equally, I would have no qualms or thought about employing a woman under 35.

These days, with the horrendous equality n disability n maternity laws, I'd swerve both. Theres limited upside and potentially business destroying downside.

They even use a stock piccy of a black woman cripple.

_115081815_gettyimages-1210334143-1.jpg

Anyone with any sense would look at someone like that and think - No fucking way.

 

They had it sussed years ago with Remploy, and most of the loved working there.

However, the Labour, Cons & Libtards got in there and ditched it at the same time they invented 'care in the community'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remploy

In 2007, Remploy management announced proposals to close 42 Remploy factories; this was later reduced to 28 after heated debates at the TUC and Labour conferences, with then-Work and Pensions minister Peter Hain requiring proposed factory closures to have ministerial approval. Eventually, 29 factories were closed in 2008.

Remploy still exists in some quangoesque form but I can't tell if they still 'make stuff'.

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18 minutes ago, spygirl said:

These days, with the horrendous equality n disability n maternity laws

Don't see how you can avoid. Even blokes get some paternity leave these days. Anyone can have a disability. "Fuck your job you never made special provisions for my anxiety/obesity/gender dysphoria."

I'll be looking for compo in the high 6 figures. See you at ACAS.

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Remploy used to run a number of factories, employing large number of disabled.

https://www.remploy.co.uk/about-us

Now it's just a large number of wimmin with clipboards.

In 2006, Remploy opened the first of what would become a network of high street and city centre branches providing a wide range of specialist employment support.

This move toward supporting disabled people into mainstream employment meant that within a few years we were operating dozens of branches across Britain.

You are *not* going to get large numbers of disabled  into 'mainstream employment' - they just cant do mainstream jobs. This why remploy was set up in the fucking first place.

Working with more than 2,500 businesses, we help employers to recognise the value to their business of employing disabled people in an inclusive workplace environment by providing training programmes and other support services.

Businesses arnt fucking stupid. Same as women and the earning gaps. If a business had a choice of employing a block at 15ph or woman at 10ph they go for woman. They dont, as they say women n nan the fucking same for tge same job.

Ditto theyd swerve a cripple as theyd be obliged to put a ramp and lift in, take extra time supporting some who works at 50% productivity as an able person.

Unless you are some Quaker business you'll look at the regulation and think fuckit.

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32 minutes ago, spygirl said:

Years ago, I would have bent over backwards to provide a disabled person with a job.

 

Ditto.

Having worked with somebody disabled briefly early in my career, and passing over that he was incredibly annoying, I always intended upon receiving an application from a disabled (as in genuinely disabled, not the current definition that gets you a free car and a blue badge) person to do everything possible to push for them to be hired - demand that ramps be installed whatever.

Despite many CVs passing across my desk there was not a single one from a disabled person.

I thought that less nice employers had been rejecting them put of hand so they gave up; but talking about it down the pub one time somebody said that they would be in receipt of substantial benefits such that they might actually lose money by working and were therefore discouraged from looking for work. 

I also agree that I wouldn't now because you would be into a world of pain if you ever tried to sack them.

 

I see this with black football managers - every time one is sacked there is a Twitterstorm of protest and howls of RACISM! so that any sensible Chairman will not now appoint one in the first place.

Also for under 35 yo women as you note.

 

All of this legislation has provided a huge disservice to minorities / women under 35 because anything other than a very large organisation, which is big enough to cope with a number of useless / long term sick staff, will avoid them like the plague because of the trouble they might cause to the business.

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6 minutes ago, Frank Hovis said:

All of this legislation has provided a huge disservice to minorities / women under 35 because anything other than the Public Sector, which is big enough to cope with a number of useless / long term sick staff, will avoid them like the plague because of the trouble they might cause to the business.

There you are Frank, excellent point but it needed fixing.

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Employing anyone is a minefield.

I had one employee that nearly killed the company.  If gov wanted to 'help' they'd change the rules for small companies so that moving from 'no employees' to 'employees' wasn't such a minefield.  

I'd happily employ anyone with the right skills, no matter the disability, colour, gender, sexuality, race, religion -- but only if I can tell that they're not going to take me for granted.  Unfortunately, this rules out the majority of people.

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9 hours ago, ccc said:

Most of the employees at the B and M I go to seem a bit "special". 

Does anyone know if they have a specific hiring policy or am I just being an arsehole xD

You want to see the ones around Teesside, ditto Home Bargains. They must all come into work together on the Sunshine Bus. 

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17 hours ago, spygirl said:

Coronavirus: 'Bosses should be more open-minded about hiring disabled people'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54693622

Years ago, I would have bent over backwards to provide a disabled person with a job.

Equally, I would have no qualms or thought about employing a woman under 35.

These days, with the horrendous equality n disability n maternity laws, I'd swerve both. Theres limited upside and potentially business destroying downside.

They even use a stock piccy of a black woman cripple.

_115081815_gettyimages-1210334143-1.jpg

Anyone with any sense would look at someone like that and think - No fucking way.

 

On a similar line if I get a call for a quote from say a certain section of society which I am usually able to work out from the accent I make excuses why I am able to provide one, usually too busy etc, because I know there is a much bigger chance than normal through years of experience I am going to get nothing but trouble,

And before I get any grief I take the same approach from white Rolex wearing over friendly types who behave like we are buddies of a lifetime after one meeting.

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16 hours ago, Frank Hovis said:

 

Ditto.

Having worked with somebody disabled briefly early in my career, and passing over that he was incredibly annoying, I always intended upon receiving an application from a disabled (as in genuinely disabled, not the current definition that gets you a free car and a blue badge) person to do everything possible to push for them to be hired - demand that ramps be installed whatever.

Despite many CVs passing across my desk there was not a single one from a disabled person.

I thought that less nice employers had been rejecting them put of hand so they gave up; but talking about it down the pub one time somebody said that they would be in receipt of substantial benefits such that they might actually lose money by working and were therefore discouraged from looking for work. 

I also agree that I wouldn't now because you would be into a world of pain if you ever tried to sack them.

 

I see this with black football managers - every time one is sacked there is a Twitterstorm of protest and howls of RACISM! so that any sensible Chairman will not now appoint one in the first place.

Also for under 35 yo women as you note.

 

All of this legislation has provided a huge disservice to minorities / women under 35 because anything other than a very large organisation, which is big enough to cope with a number of useless / long term sick staff, will avoid them like the plague because of the trouble they might cause to the business.

My last job working for a company was decades ago now. I always remember this one guy worked at a desk and who just dressed weird and oddly and who was gay and made it obvious to all, and his desk was covered in loads of photos of himself and partner in the most crazy sexual looking costumes and womens outfits. Everyone tipped toed around him and were careful what they said, it was like a constant bear trap that was always primed to snare you. There was constant appeals and complaints going through because of him and another over emotive woman who was always putting in stress and bullying complaints.

I just cannot imagine what life is like today, racism for example was one hit and your out type of approach, can it honestly be more rigid right now than it was back then? I just cannot see how that is possible

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17 minutes ago, eta-carinae said:

Remploy shut the remaining factories in the early 2010s, and the "service" has now been completely privatised.

I guessed all this before checking.

No.

They shut the factories which were literally that - factories.

Large units with a load of disabled making basic products, supervised by a few blokes.

In its place you got an entirely wimmin staffed employment agency of disabled people, where women would  draw high salaries to go around and tell companies that disabled people were just as able as abled body people.

 

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7 minutes ago, RJT1979 said:

Why make excuses for being racist. Nothing wrong in looking out for yourself.

I am not talking about 90% plus  of the ethnic cultures in the UK, just one, and I would do the same for pikeys if they were looking for business, which they don't. If one breed of dog bites me 10 out of 10 times when  patting it I will stop patting it and be accused of hating animals, fine with me.

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1 hour ago, spygirl said:

No.

They shut the factories which were literally that - factories.

Large units with a load of disabled making basic products, supervised by a few blokes.

In its place you got an entirely wimmin staffed employment agency of disabled people, where women would  draw high salaries to go around and tell companies that disabled people were just as able as abled body people.

 

They shut them because of minimum wage?

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19 hours ago, spygirl said:

Coronavirus: 'Bosses should be more open-minded about hiring disabled people'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54693622

Years ago, I would have bent over backwards to provide a disabled person with a job.

Equally, I would have no qualms or thought about employing a woman under 35.

These days, with the horrendous equality n disability n maternity laws, I'd swerve both. Theres limited upside and potentially business destroying downside.

They even use a stock piccy of a black woman cripple.

_115081815_gettyimages-1210334143-1.jpg

Anyone with any sense would look at someone like that and think - No fucking way.

 

You mean bastard. I've worked with "disabled" people who seem to work a keyboard absolutely fine.

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18 minutes ago, MrPin said:

He uses a stick strapped to his head to work the keyboard.

To be honest, I replaced my old tablet years ago - you may have noticed.

My new one ought to be fast enough.

However the android keyboard does have times when it gets laggy.

Nuts really. A look at the spec shows the tablet is more powerful than the mini computer I learned C in in 1988.

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