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We need a new breed of media and politician and we need them today


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Do you know what, I am the first to admit that there is a huge swathe of people in the UK that want massive changes and who even want to turn the UK on it's head if need be and start from scratch. The BBC along with many politicians and sadly even the ones in power claim that they represent the people who are "fighting for a new Britain", the woke, BLM and anti FA who are speaking for us.

FUCKING BOLLOCKS

Most people I know and who appear to be on this website seem to be people who work or who want to work whether they like it or not, they don't mind paying their way, they actually want to. And who have a culture that they are proud of and who are sick of being told by 5 minute old newly arrived now "British" how they must adjust 100's or even 1000's of years of cultural condition that has mostly got us to the point where we are today so it fits in with them rather them fit in with our ways, and even if that can be difficult at times.

Corbyn has gone and quite rightly so the dick head, he wanted changes in Britain and he would of made them, but for who? Keir Starmer is just another Tony Blair in the making or even worse, and lets face it none of us even know what the Tories are anymore though deep down I still believe they are just looking after their  own.

There are some great people out there many of which I won't name on here right now through fear of being labeled, but we have the likes of Douglas Murray, Farage, Andrew Neil and more that lean to the right(whatever that means).

We need new types of people in Britain speaking for us, and not anymore of this drag queen loving woke loving BLM ANTIFA minority shit that has maybe had it's place in the past, NO, we just people to get us back to basics and look after those willing to work a 45 hour plus week and pay taxes, give them something to aspire to, house, food and the bills and most of them will be more than happy to end the week with just a few beers in good company and the odd holiday. Halt anymore immigration for anything but the best that might put something into the country.

We need new media, new alternative thinking that might fall to the right, but we want to hear it and maybe even support it, but most of all right now

WE NEED A NEW TYPE OF POLITICIAN 

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on the 4th, when the media get it wrong, expect a lot of self inspection from them, and how they got it so wrong, and that they need to change.

It will all be bollocks, the only thing they will really regret is not doubling down even more on their lies & propaganda, they will then start working out how to manipulate us better next time.

The media can not change, we need new media, and I think we'll get it from independent journalists, Trump will force the big tech to stop the censorship and US allies will fall inline.

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Yes......so perhaps now's the time to give anarchy a go?.....not the stabby rapey kind, rather the sort that enforces(?) fundamental law of cause no harm or loss to others.

Democracy is not working.....and is not the least worst option....

......imo

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1 hour ago, haroldshand said:

Do you know what, I am the first to admit that there is a huge swathe of people in the UK that want massive changes and who even want to turn the UK on it's head if need be and start from scratch. The BBC along with many politicians and sadly even the ones in power claim that they represent the people who are "fighting for a new Britain", the woke, BLM and anti FA who are speaking for us.

FUCKING BOLLOCKS

Most people I know and who appear to be on this website seem to be people who work or who want to work whether they like it or not, they don't mind paying their way, they actually want to. And who have a culture that they are proud of and who are sick of being told by 5 minute old newly arrived now "British" how they must adjust 100's or even 1000's of years of cultural condition that has mostly got us to the point where we are today so it fits in with them rather them fit in with our ways, and even if that can be difficult at times.

Corbyn has gone and quite rightly so the dick head, he wanted changes in Britain and he would of made them, but for who? Keir Starmer is just another Tony Blair in the making or even worse, and lets face it none of us even know what the Tories are anymore though deep down I still believe they are just looking after their  own.

There are some great people out there many of which I won't name on here right now through fear of being labeled, but we have the likes of Douglas Murray, Farage, Andrew Neil and more that lean to the right(whatever that means).

We need new types of people in Britain speaking for us, and not anymore of this drag queen loving woke loving BLM ANTIFA minority shit that has maybe had it's place in the past, NO, we just people to get us back to basics and look after those willing to work a 45 hour plus week and pay taxes, give them something to aspire to, house, food and the bills and most of them will be more than happy to end the week with just a few beers in good company and the odd holiday. Halt anymore immigration for anything but the best that might put something into the country.

We need new media, new alternative thinking that might fall to the right, but we want to hear it and maybe even support it, but most of all right now

WE NEED A NEW TYPE OF POLITICIAN 

There's a prolific, gobby cunt of a poster on here...not naming any names but he could have a great name for the party.

PPPP

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Peterlee Poo Pilot Party:D

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21 minutes ago, nickc said:

Yes......so perhaps now's the time to give anarchy a go?.....not the stabby rapey kind, rather the sort that enforces(?) fundamental law of cause no harm or loss to others.

Democracy is not working.....and is not the least worst option....

......imo

Not sure if you are joking?

But yes I agree with that, WOKE lefty liberal politics has tied itself in knots with far too many people scared to say what they really want to say in case of having the racist or evil stick pointed at them. It cracks me up at these scrounging Labour politicians suggesting how "right wing this Boris government is, Boris is already visualising the history books of the future where he is portrayed as "actually a really nice welfare loving guy", I and many others have made a mistake with Boris, he used Brexit to con me.

I want to see anarchy now, I want what I class as real worthwhile people looked after, the people working 45 hour weeks, looking after their kids and teaching them good values, I no longer have the time or energy to give a shit anymore about men that want to wear frocks and all the endless self appointed victim titles and where the laziest people in the country on welfare are making all the demands and complaining while the silent majority suffer and pay for it.

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2 hours ago, haroldshand said:

Do you know what, I am the first to admit that there is a huge swathe of people in the UK that want massive changes and who even want to turn the UK on it's head if need be and start from scratch. The BBC along with many politicians and sadly even the ones in power claim that they represent the people who are "fighting for a new Britain", the woke, BLM and anti FA who are speaking for us.

FUCKING BOLLOCKS

Most people I know and who appear to be on this website seem to be people who work or who want to work whether they like it or not, they don't mind paying their way, they actually want to. And who have a culture that they are proud of and who are sick of being told by 5 minute old newly arrived now "British" how they must adjust 100's or even 1000's of years of cultural condition that has mostly got us to the point where we are today so it fits in with them rather them fit in with our ways, and even if that can be difficult at times.

Corbyn has gone and quite rightly so the dick head, he wanted changes in Britain and he would of made them, but for who? Keir Starmer is just another Tony Blair in the making or even worse, and lets face it none of us even know what the Tories are anymore though deep down I still believe they are just looking after their  own.

There are some great people out there many of which I won't name on here right now through fear of being labeled, but we have the likes of Douglas Murray, Farage, Andrew Neil and more that lean to the right(whatever that means).

We need new types of people in Britain speaking for us, and not anymore of this drag queen loving woke loving BLM ANTIFA minority shit that has maybe had it's place in the past, NO, we just people to get us back to basics and look after those willing to work a 45 hour plus week and pay taxes, give them something to aspire to, house, food and the bills and most of them will be more than happy to end the week with just a few beers in good company and the odd holiday. Halt anymore immigration for anything but the best that might put something into the country.

We need new media, new alternative thinking that might fall to the right, but we want to hear it and maybe even support it, but most of all right now

WE NEED A NEW TYPE OF POLITICIAN 

Back to "Normal" isn't the answer either. That's gone. Technology is taking us God knows where? Maybe a Star Trek Leisure Society if we're lucky. Fuck Capitalism and Communism and fuck working 45 hours a week for the basics of life.

 

 

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9 minutes ago, Turned Out Nice Again said:

Back to "Normal" isn't the answer either. That's gone. Technology is taking us God knows where? Maybe a Star Trek Leisure Society if we're lucky. Fuck Capitalism and Communism and fuck working 45 hours a week for the basics of life.

Correct. Just playing into the hands of the elites. We need a rebalancing in favour of the general populace.

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The first thing we need to accept is that what we currently have is far closer to a combination of Kleptocracy, Corporatocracy and Oligarchy than it is to any true democracy.

The only meaningless sham of democratic process that we have in this country is getting to vote for whichever self serving red or blue puppet of the banks, the corps and the wealthy elite we want in charge

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I have a suspicion that we always have the 'right' politicians for a time about 20-30 years before.

This is because some of us get a 'stimulus' during our formative years that drives us into politics.  These people then 'hit the top' 30 years later.

So, In about 20-30 years' time we'll have a majority of politicians that are prepared to talk about obvious things like whether immigration is a good thing, that the West can't solve the world's problems by accepting a tiny %age of the world to move to the West, that welfare is broken, that Western capitalism isn't actually capitalism, etc etc.

The trouble is, we'll have a whole new pile of problems by then, which the new politicians will muck up.

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1 hour ago, haroldshand said:

Not sure if you are joking?

But yes I agree with that, WOKE lefty liberal politics has tied itself in knots with far too many people scared to say what they really want to say in case of having the racist or evil stick pointed at them. It cracks me up at these scrounging Labour politicians suggesting how "right wing this Boris government is, Boris is already visualising the history books of the future where he is portrayed as "actually a really nice welfare loving guy", I and many others have made a mistake with Boris, he used Brexit to con me.

I want to see anarchy now, I want what I class as real worthwhile people looked after, the people working 45 hour weeks, looking after their kids and teaching them good values, I no longer have the time or energy to give a shit anymore about men that want to wear frocks and all the endless self appointed victim titles and where the laziest people in the country on welfare are making all the demands and complaining while the silent majority suffer and pay for it.

No, not joking......

But rest assured, absolutely fuck all will change until we define the meaning of terms such as........ work.....money....debt.....property......because they sure as shit do not mean what most poeple think they mean.

For example......'work'..?... wtf is work EXACTLY? The term refers to working for money as well as working as home on projects without payment of money.?..... same term different meanings....

........ then there's 'money'......is 'money' you've earned the same  'money' banks create from fuck all??

Can all get a bit complicated........ or simplified?..?

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55 minutes ago, Royston said:

The first thing we need to accept is that what we currently have is far closer to a combination of Kleptocracy, Corporatocracy and Oligarchy than it is to any true democracy.

The only meaningless sham of democratic process that we have in this country is getting to vote for whichever self serving red or blue puppet of the banks, the corps and the wealthy elite we want in charge

So something new then?:)

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1 hour ago, GBDamo said:

Most of the governance is beyond the wit of mots citizens, its just too big and complex.

What are the alternatives to a representative parliamentary democracy?

It is how easily elected members are compromised and influenced that needs addressing.

You think a PPE is done jow equipped to deal with it?

Go back to the 70s, when large chicks of industry were nationalised.

Did we have more or less civil servants then?

The complexity in public sector/ukgov is generated to create jobs/maintain empires.

Theres no public sector recession, despite what the left say. Theres been no austerity just a reduction in rate ukgov increase.

The public sector desperately needs a recession event, which shakes up and gets rid of dross.

One thing I do agree with the lefties/state sector type is that there is nothing inherently superior with private sector.

What the private sector has is a hard goal of making money. Fail to do that and - poof! They also have to rude out recessions which see them ditch under performers and marginal jobs.

I dont think I've come across a secretary type in the private sector for 25.

There were 3, sat together, chatting, last time I went to a hospital department.

In the schools they just renamed them business managers.

 

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47 minutes ago, nickc said:

No, not joking......

But rest assured, absolutely fuck all will change until we define the meaning of terms such as........ work.....money....debt.....property......because they sure as shit do not mean what most poeple think they mean.

For example......'work'..?... wtf is work EXACTLY? The term refers to working for money as well as working as home on projects without payment of money.?..... same term different meanings....

........ then there's 'money'......is 'money' you've earned the same  'money' banks create from fuck all??

Can all get a bit complicated........ or simplified?..?

Fallen for that daft - Change everything!

All you do is create a crapper version of what was in place before- see Universal credits n the cretin IBS.

What you have to do is tweak the current system. Does not matter is the system is tweaked so much that it becomes another system.

Take bennies.

The simplest fix is to move to contribution based system, just like the socialists in Europe.

No conyribs? No bennies. Bang! Single parent problem fixed. Ditto EE migrants.

Another tweak. Think of a large amount of money that would have  serious change go Mr n Mrs Working - 100k, 150k 200k. These are lifetime saving levels for 70% of the population.

Take that sum an set it to the max lifetime bennies - in work n housing benefit; they can have school n NHS for free.

Shazza 5kids in London will burn thru that 100k in about 3 years.

The more the state involves itself in things, the more expensive the thing bevines, so the more the state interferes. Needs a hard stop, break.

Stuff like giving more bennies/attention to the dysfunctional. So the dysfunctional become more dysfunctional and increase in number.

You should give bennies to low paid who are married/together and who's kids go to school and dont piss about.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-21753748

A mother is said to have given her 13-year-old daughter three ecstasy tablets as a birthday present, the BBC learned.

Middlesbrough mayor Ray Mallon highlighted the case when speaking to Look North about hundreds of troubled families being supported on Teesside.

The investigation also found Middlesbrough Council was spending £600,000 per year on a family with six children in care.

Children should be targeted "in the womb" to stop problems, Mr Mallon said.

He said that children were being let down by parents who abused alcohol and drugs.

"There was one where a mother gave a 13-year-old child some ecstasy tablets, hard drugs, for her birthday," the mayor said. "I just despair."

The BBC was told that a troubled family with six children under the age of 13 was costing Middlesbrough Council more than £600,000 per year.

Three of the children were in foster care at a cost of £135,000, while the remainder were in residential care at a cost of £468,000.

 

 

 

 

 

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28 minutes ago, spygirl said:

The investigation also found Middlesbrough Council was spending £600,000 per year on a family with six children in care.

WTF

 

I made a point a while back that a lot of these women/girls should be offered say £5,000 to be fixed at say 18, the money it would save. Could probably get away with just giving them a few crates of larger and vodka and they would take it

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30 minutes ago, spygirl said:

Fallen for that daft - Change everything!

All you do is create a crapper version of what was in place before- see Universal credits n the cretin IBS.

What you have to do is tweak the current system. Does not matter is the system is tweaked so much that it becomes another system.

Take bennies.

The simplest fix is to move to contribution based system, just like the socialists in Europe.

No conyribs? No bennies. Bang! Single parent problem fixed. Ditto EE migrants.

Another tweak. Think of a large amount of money that would have  serious change go Mr n Mrs Working - 100k, 150k 200k. These are lifetime saving levels for 70% of the population.

Take that sum an set it to the max lifetime bennies - in work n housing benefit; they can have school n NHS for free.

Shazza 5kids in London will burn thru that 100k in about 3 years.

The more the state involves itself in things, the more expensive the thing bevines, so the more the state interferes. Needs a hard stop, break.

Stuff like giving more bennies/attention to the dysfunctional. So the dysfunctional become more dysfunctional and increase in number.

You should give bennies to low paid who are married/together and who's kids go to school and dont piss about.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-21753748

A mother is said to have given her 13-year-old daughter three ecstasy tablets as a birthday present, the BBC learned.

Middlesbrough mayor Ray Mallon highlighted the case when speaking to Look North about hundreds of troubled families being supported on Teesside.

The investigation also found Middlesbrough Council was spending £600,000 per year on a family with six children in care.

Children should be targeted "in the womb" to stop problems, Mr Mallon said.

He said that children were being let down by parents who abused alcohol and drugs.

"There was one where a mother gave a 13-year-old child some ecstasy tablets, hard drugs, for her birthday," the mayor said. "I just despair."

The BBC was told that a troubled family with six children under the age of 13 was costing Middlesbrough Council more than £600,000 per year.

Three of the children were in foster care at a cost of £135,000, while the remainder were in residential care at a cost of £468,000.

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, all sounds great........if democracy would allow it

....................But rest assured, absolutely fuck all will change until we define the meaning of terms such as........ work.....money....debt.....property......because they sure as shit do not mean what most poeple think they mean.

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30 minutes ago, haroldshand said:

WTF

 

I made a point a while back that a lot of these women/girls should be offered say £5,000 to be fixed at say 18, the money it would save. Could probably get away with just giving them a few crates of larger and vodka and they would take it

Theres spend n theres spend.

What you'll get is the kids in foster homes at 800/h

The rest of the money will be spend on public sector types reviewing, providing services, interacting with other agencies, going off sick.

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28 minutes ago, nickc said:

Yes, all sounds great........if democracy would allow it

....................But rest assured, absolutely fuck all will change until we define the meaning of terms such as........ work.....money....debt.....property......because they sure as shit do not mean what most poeple think they mean.

It's not being blocked by democracy.

It's being blocked by a small number of people with  vested interests.

Rashford got 1m signatures for his - give free stuff to several million people already drawing 1500/2000/m in bennies.

That's fuck al.

Gidiots tax credit reforms which would have reduced the payouts were blocked by a LibDem peer in HoL. An ex civil servant secretary ffs.

Nowhere to be seen as TCs n EE migrants blew up the remain in Europe vote.

You need transparency. Put numbers on, make them viewable.

 

 

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