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Democorruptcy
11 minutes ago, Bus Stop Boxer said:

I am taking the Nutravita softgels 365.

I think it would be wise for people to stock themselves up. There seems to be an undeclared war on home therapeutics around the world. No real sign of it here yet though.

Are those 10,000 IU?

In that Dr Stock video he talked about 25-Hydroxy Vit D but his local pharmacist would be fined $50k if he supplied it to him! Another name for it is  Calcifediol, 96% efficacy:

http://www.drdavidgrimes.com/2020/12/covid-19-vitamin-d-calcifediol-has-96.html

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The Masked Tulip
34 minutes ago, Bus Stop Boxer said:

I am taking the Nutravita softgels 365.

I think it would be wise for people to stock themselves up. There seems to be an undeclared war on home therapeutics around the world. No real sign of it here yet though.

 

I am thinking the same.

I might opt for those 500 tablets for a fiver as a backup. Or just pay a tenner for another bottle of softgels. Mainly as a just in case I need to take several 50,000 IU doses over several days. Or maybe to hand some to people who might be unwell.

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17 minutes ago, Democorruptcy said:

Are those 10,000 IU?

In that Dr Stock video he talked about 25-Hydroxy Vit D but his local pharmacist would be fined $50k if he supplied it to him! Another name for it is  Calcifediol, 96% efficacy:

http://www.drdavidgrimes.com/2020/12/covid-19-vitamin-d-calcifediol-has-96.html

 

No, they are 5,000 IU. They sell 10,000 IU on their site. £17 a bottle plus postage. But if you type their name into twitter you usually can find a 20% off code.

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10 minutes ago, Democorruptcy said:

Are those 10,000 IU?

In that Dr Stock video he talked about 25-Hydroxy Vit D but his local pharmacist would be fined $50k if he supplied it to him! Another name for it is  Calcifediol, 96% efficacy:

http://www.drdavidgrimes.com/2020/12/covid-19-vitamin-d-calcifediol-has-96.html

Vitamin D levels are broadly self regulating.  You can get too much but it takes rather a long time.

I'd suggest that the problem with taking 25-Hydroxy VitD (25(OH)D) is that it could result in a rapid increase in plasma 25(OH)D -- this might not be healthy.

The problem is readily resolved by ensuring that you have a high (but not unsafe) level of 25(OH)D in the blood by taking a decent level of daily vitD supplement in the dark months.

I suppose there is an argument for taking a very high dose of oral 25(OH)D on onset of symptoms, but I'm pretty sure that the data doesn't show a dose effect beyond 'high normal', ie, it isn't the case that the more you have the better your prognosis -- it is more like 'get the levels up to high-normal and you achieve the full beneficial effect, with no more beneficial effect with higher doses'.

I'd be happy to be proven wrong on this if anyone has data on it, because it really would make a difference if there was a dose effect for higher (short term) 25(OH)D levels.

That said, I'm still interested, because so many of my relatives just can't cope with high vitD doses.  I managed to convince my parents to take 1,000IU / day in winter, but all the other oldies refuse to take more than 400IU (actually, it takes some cajoling to get them to even take that).  The problem is, they'd all prefer to take nothing if they start getting symptoms, because that's what the medics say -- medicine has a lot to answer for re. covid.

Anyone seen a source in the UK?

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Democorruptcy
14 minutes ago, dgul said:

Vitamin D levels are broadly self regulating.  You can get too much but it takes rather a long time.

I'd suggest that the problem with taking 25-Hydroxy VitD (25(OH)D) is that it could result in a rapid increase in plasma 25(OH)D -- this might not be healthy.

The problem is readily resolved by ensuring that you have a high (but not unsafe) level of 25(OH)D in the blood by taking a decent level of daily vitD supplement in the dark months.

I suppose there is an argument for taking a very high dose of oral 25(OH)D on onset of symptoms, but I'm pretty sure that the data doesn't show a dose effect beyond 'high normal', ie, it isn't the case that the more you have the better your prognosis -- it is more like 'get the levels up to high-normal and you achieve the full beneficial effect, with no more beneficial effect with higher doses'.

I'd be happy to be proven wrong on this if anyone has data on it, because it really would make a difference if there was a dose effect for higher (short term) 25(OH)D levels.

That said, I'm still interested, because so many of my relatives just can't cope with high vitD doses.  I managed to convince my parents to take 1,000IU / day in winter, but all the other oldies refuse to take more than 400IU (actually, it takes some cajoling to get them to even take that).  The problem is, they'd all prefer to take nothing if they start getting symptoms, because that's what the medics say -- medicine has a lot to answer for re. covid.

Anyone seen a source in the UK?

I think he meant the 25-Hydroxy VitD could be used for someone who had covid, not as a preventative supplement.

I looked on Ebay and Calcifediol gets a mention on this one but I'm not sure why, it looks just like a normal VitD supplement? Maybe just good covid marketing?

I also found a combined Zinc & Selenium that matches the doses Dr Stock mentioned in that video. He said 10 to 25 milligrams of Zinc and 200 to 400 micrograms of Selenium. These are Zinc 15 milligrams and Selenium 200 micrograms, with no other ingredients.

Please be aware the the Calcifediol is on a body builder seller and the Z&S states it improves hair growth. Nobody on here can blame me if they buy these products and become shaggy haired and muscle bound.

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Lightly Toasted
1 hour ago, Democorruptcy said:

Are those 10,000 IU?

In that Dr Stock video he talked about 25-Hydroxy Vit D but his local pharmacist would be fined $50k if he supplied it to him! Another name for it is  Calcifediol, 96% efficacy:

http://www.drdavidgrimes.com/2020/12/covid-19-vitamin-d-calcifediol-has-96.html

My guess is that it's too easy to poison yourself that way -- take sufficient vitamin D through food, supplements or sunshine and your body makes as much of the active form as it needs; take the active form directly, your body has to deal with whatever you gave it.

https://www.livestrong.com/article/376027-vitamin-d-damage-to-the-liver/

When vitamin D is first absorbed in the intestines or produced in the skin, it is in an inactive form. In the liver, inactive vitamin D is converted into its active form, called 25-hydroxyvitamin D. Without this conversion into the active form, vitamin D cannot perform its vital functions in the body. The activity of vitamin D is further enhanced in the kidneys, where 25-hydroxyvitamin D is converted to 1,25-dihydroxyvitamin D, the most potent form of vitamin D.

iirc the doc was talking about the active form being used when a patient was already ill, deficient, and with no time to boost levels in the normal ways.

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1 hour ago, Democorruptcy said:

Are those 10,000 IU?

In that Dr Stock video he talked about 25-Hydroxy Vit D but his local pharmacist would be fined $50k if he supplied it to him! Another name for it is  Calcifediol, 96% efficacy:

http://www.drdavidgrimes.com/2020/12/covid-19-vitamin-d-calcifediol-has-96.html

As the Dr Stock video got a mention in this thread, I looked back but couldn't find it, (in here).  It was over in the don't tek di vaccine thread, half a dozen pages back.  31mins onward is discussion of supplements you might wanna take. 
Well worth spending the time for the whole thing though (35 mins total)

https://www.bitchute.com/video/cT1o1hYwld1O/

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11 minutes ago, Lightly Toasted said:

My guess is that it's too easy to poison yourself that way -- take sufficient vitamin D through food, supplements or sunshine and your body makes as much of the active form as it needs; take the active form directly, your body has to deal with whatever you gave it.

https://www.livestrong.com/article/376027-vitamin-d-damage-to-the-liver/

When vitamin D is first absorbed in the intestines or produced in the skin, it is in an inactive form. In the liver, inactive vitamin D is converted into its active form, called 25-hydroxyvitamin D. Without this conversion into the active form, vitamin D cannot perform its vital functions in the body. The activity of vitamin D is further enhanced in the kidneys, where 25-hydroxyvitamin D is converted to 1,25-dihydroxyvitamin D, the most potent form of vitamin D.

iirc the doc was talking about the active form being used when a patient was already ill, deficient, and with no time to boost levels in the normal ways.

Something similar with Vit C I heard mentioned,  oral doses being beneficial but mainly  in a particular form without all the sugars and crap  -L Ascorbic acid.

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Yadda yadda yadda

Am I making any natural vitamin D sat in the garden today with a sun strength of 4? Been a very cloudy summer so would be good to get some of the natural stuff today and tomorrow if possible.

https://www.weatheronline.co.uk/UK/London/UVindex.htm

Also I find it interesting that weatheronline describes me and many of you as indigenous. Terribly non-pc.

https://www.weatheronline.co.uk/reports/wxfacts/Burning-Time.htm

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The Masked Tulip
2 hours ago, Yadda yadda yadda said:

Am I making any natural vitamin D sat in the garden today with a sun strength of 4? Been a very cloudy summer so would be good to get some of the natural stuff today and tomorrow if possible.

https://www.weatheronline.co.uk/UK/London/UVindex.htm

Also I find it interesting that weatheronline describes me and many of you as indigenous. Terribly non-pc.

https://www.weatheronline.co.uk/reports/wxfacts/Burning-Time.htm

 

Yes, up until about 3ish.

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2 hours ago, Yadda yadda yadda said:

Am I making any natural vitamin D sat in the garden today with a sun strength of 4? Been a very cloudy summer so would be good to get some of the natural stuff today and tomorrow if possible.

https://www.weatheronline.co.uk/UK/London/UVindex.htm

Also I find it interesting that weatheronline describes me and many of you as indigenous. Terribly non-pc.

https://www.weatheronline.co.uk/reports/wxfacts/Burning-Time.htm

You'll probably make a fair bit between 12 and 2ish.  Best to get torso exposure if possible (%age skin exposed is important).

Photosynthesis of vitD will be negligible by the end of the month -- need supplements to keep it topped up.

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1 hour ago, dgul said:

You'll probably make a fair bit between 12 and 2ish.  Best to get torso exposure if possible (%age skin exposed is important).

Photosynthesis of vitD will be negligible by the end of the month -- need supplements to keep it topped up.

Yes, I had my top off. I knew that we're getting to the end of the season for D.

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Remember, in November 2020 that sh*t Fauci was challenged about D and had to admit that he takes 8 to 9 thousand daily in the winter.

 

 

 

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The Masked Tulip
3 minutes ago, The Masked Tulip said:

I'm always tempted by the great deals you post, TMT, until I realise that they are always D3 alone rather than with K2! :)

Do you buy your K2 separately? I assumed that it would probably be more cost-effective to buy them in a combined product, but maybe not?

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2 hours ago, LC1 said:

I'm always tempted by the great deals you post, TMT, until I realise that they are always D3 alone rather than with K2! :)

Do you buy your K2 separately? I assumed that it would probably be more cost-effective to buy them in a combined product, but maybe not?

 

I always like the option of taking supplements when I want them. Sometimes I take a break from K2, as I have been doing for about 2 weeks now.

I tend to buy this K2 from Amazon. It is a tenner but occasionally is £6. 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Vitamin-MK7-75mcg-Recommended-Vegetarian/dp/B08X7BCG7B/ref=mp_s_a_1_10?crid=EY4UOCV931HI&dchild=1&keywords=k2+vitamin&qid=1631788425&qsid=260-4064430-6333651&sprefix=k2&sr=8-10&sres=B07XQHS14F%2CB06XSJFTXL%2CB001ATATX8%2CB08V8R9RHQ%2CB01DAQ0C94%2CB07YDCVX3G%2CB08X7BCG7B%2CB09371CFJK%2CB07V28LCYV%2CB07D2H3LJ8%2CB08DG68P6B%2CB00JGCPAYY%2CB07VYV95FD%2CB096KPLHCK&srpt=VITAMIN

 

 

If you want D3 and K2 combined then this is an option but I have no practical knowledge of using it. It has a good dose of D3 and also of K2 but it is £12.99 for SIX MONTHS. 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Vitamin-MK7-180-Strength-Vegetarian-Supplement/dp/B08DG68P6B/ref=mp_s_a_1_2_sspa?crid=EY4UOCV931HI&dchild=1&keywords=k2+vitamin&qid=1631788425&sprefix=k2&sr=8-2-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEzMjE4Q1gxS0ZZQkxNJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwNDEzNDQwWVRZM1pBVUs2UzBVJmVuY3J5cHRlZEFkSWQ9QTAzOTY3NTIyMjVKMUhRUjgwNVc0JndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfcGhvbmVfc2VhcmNoX2F0ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU=

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Bus Stop Boxer

I'm up to about 10,000 iu daily now.

2 x 4000 softgels, a K2 pill that has 1000 iu and a multi vit that has 1000 iu.

I'm also taking 3 x fizzy C tabs one of which has zinc in it. Diluted in a can of Aldi tonic.

A nice and unexpected side effect is that 1 of my tinnitus frequencies has stopped since upping the D 4 days ago.

I got me a bag of quercetin with bromelain to deploy if i feel any bugs coming on.

 

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Lightly Toasted
2 hours ago, Snake Plissken said:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-09-evidence-vitamin-d-severe-covid-.html

Further evidence that vitamin D might protect against severe COVID-19 disease and death

by Trinity College Dublin

From the "genetic study" article referenced by that article:

The authors analyzed genetic variants of 4,134 individuals with COVID-19, and 1,284,876 without COVID-19, from 11 countries to determine whether genetic predisposition for higher vitamin D levels were associated with less-severe disease outcomes in people with COVID-19.

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-06-vitamin-d-covid-susceptibility-disease.html

Why the fuck didn't they just measure vitamin D levels?

It's as if some of these studies are trying not to find a link.

It's like studying genetic predisposition to be tall (which might not be fulfilled due to environmental constraints) vs being able to reach things on high shelves, instead of measuring people's height.

 

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