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Cheeky EU uses US election as cover in bid to go authoritarian


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Just saw this on the Guardian. The EU has proposed a change to the "Rule of Law" process to allow them to block EU funds going to member states that do not toe the line (aka Poland and Hungary). The change is to go from unanimous voting (ie a country can veto any block) to qualified majority voting where states get a vote weighted to their population. Guess how they plan to make this treaty change legal..... a qualified majority vote.

The Franco-German alliance will have full control over member states.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/05/deal-struck-enable-eu-block-budget-payments-rogue-members

Hungarians worried it will be used to shoe horn in the migrant quotas and are blaming Soros.

https://www.magyarhirlap.hu/kulfold/20201105-hidveghi-a-brusszeli-fejekben-lekapcsoltak-a-villanyt

Translated:

The lights were turned off in the heads of Brussels. We are right in the middle of a pandemic. Thousands of people die every day. European economies are in big trouble. Now every minute counts. We need to make good decisions as quickly as possible. In comparison, the most important thing for the European Parliament in the last three weeks has been to link EU money to the rule of law, writes the Fidesz-KDNP MEP on his Facebook page.

Balázs Hidvéghi assesses: there is no general definition of the rule of law. Different national constitutions interpret it differently. That is, to link the payment of EU money to this vaguely defined concept would be tantamount to institutionalizing political blackmail. This has been attempted in recent years: ideological attacks have been disguised as criticisms of law and the rule of law. Although we were actually attacked because we dare to think differently about Europe, the nation, the Christian tradition, migration, multiculturalism than they are, he adds. He emphasizes: the most tasteless of all is that the Hungarian left is now dancing with joy. They are not dealing with epidemic control. It doesn’t matter to them how many people die in either the epidemic or the Islamist terrorist attack. It's not important to them. From Klára Dobrev to Anna Donáth, there is only one thing for them: they hate Viktor Orbán.

 

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Just now, deathfunk said:

If Greece didn't teach Europhiles anything then neither will this. Some people must just like authoritarianism.

Yes, I spent some time touring around there three years ago. Seeing them still queuing at the cash machine every morning to draw out their forty odd Euro's or whatever it was, and the sad state of the youth unemployment made it really sink in.

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40 minutes ago, deathfunk said:

If Greece didn't teach Europhiles anything then neither will this. Some people must just like authoritarianism.

People in authority love it. 

[It is like the shopkeeper joke -- democracy is all very well and good, but it really would run a lot more smoothly without the 'popular vote' part.]

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1 hour ago, Oskar said:

Just saw this on the Guardian. The EU has proposed a change to the "Rule of Law" process to allow them to block EU funds going to member states that do not toe the line (aka Poland and Hungary). The change is to go from unanimous voting (ie a country can veto any block) to qualified majority voting where states get a vote weighted to their population. Guess how they plan to make this treaty change legal..... a qualified majority vote.

The Franco-German alliance will have full control over member states.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/05/deal-struck-enable-eu-block-budget-payments-rogue-members

Hungarians worried it will be used to shoe horn in the migrant quotas and are blaming Soros.

https://www.magyarhirlap.hu/kulfold/20201105-hidveghi-a-brusszeli-fejekben-lekapcsoltak-a-villanyt

Translated:

The lights were turned off in the heads of Brussels. We are right in the middle of a pandemic. Thousands of people die every day. European economies are in big trouble. Now every minute counts. We need to make good decisions as quickly as possible. In comparison, the most important thing for the European Parliament in the last three weeks has been to link EU money to the rule of law, writes the Fidesz-KDNP MEP on his Facebook page.

Balázs Hidvéghi assesses: there is no general definition of the rule of law. Different national constitutions interpret it differently. That is, to link the payment of EU money to this vaguely defined concept would be tantamount to institutionalizing political blackmail. This has been attempted in recent years: ideological attacks have been disguised as criticisms of law and the rule of law. Although we were actually attacked because we dare to think differently about Europe, the nation, the Christian tradition, migration, multiculturalism than they are, he adds. He emphasizes: the most tasteless of all is that the Hungarian left is now dancing with joy. They are not dealing with epidemic control. It doesn’t matter to them how many people die in either the epidemic or the Islamist terrorist attack. It's not important to them. From Klára Dobrev to Anna Donáth, there is only one thing for them: they hate Viktor Orbán.

 

How's the EUR:HUF reacted to that?

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26 minutes ago, Rare Bear said:

Surely a good reason for more states to leave the EU? If they are only there for the money and they ain't getting the money, why stay?

Yes but they will then have to go through endless negotiations like the UK arguing with this twat.

His mask is actually a pair of Junckers used budgie smugglers. The aromas emboldens his EU Corps De Spirit

 

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3 minutes ago, Kurt Barlow said:

Yes but they will then have to go through endless negotiations like the UK arguing with this twat.

His mask is actually a pair of Junckers used budgie smugglers. The aromas emboldens his EU Corps De Spirit

 

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But their leaders might have more cojones than ours and simply say Foxtrot Oscar, we're gone and all German cars will have to be individually checked for emissions.

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Would we see Hungary pushed politically and economically back towards Russia? Exactly the kind of bone-headed geopolitical move the self-righteous EU would make. Hard to see where else Hungary would turn if EU borders were hardened against them. At least Poland has a coast. Best thing all round would be for the project to unravel and for countries to trade with one another as they will.

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5 minutes ago, Lightly Toasted said:

Would we see Hungary pushed politically and economically back towards Russia? Exactly the kind of bone-headed geopolitical move the self-righteous EU would make. Hard to see where else Hungary would turn if EU borders were hardened against them. At least Poland has a coast. Best thing all round would be for the project to unravel and for countries to trade with one another as they will.

I’ve been wondering whether a new free trade area between the UK and Eastern European countries might be an idea.

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1 hour ago, Lightly Toasted said:

Would we see Hungary pushed politically and economically back towards Russia? Exactly the kind of bone-headed geopolitical move the self-righteous EU would make. Hard to see where else Hungary would turn if EU borders were hardened against them. At least Poland has a coast. Best thing all round would be for the project to unravel and for countries to trade with one another as they will.

Maybe Vysegrad group but we'd have to see what the other countries (Poland, Czech Republic and Slovakia) thought. 

Czech president is quite pro-Putin and if both Poland AND Hungary were having their arms twisted then it could happen. 

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