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2020 just keeps giving - Arctic methane release - the real endgame?


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The video below popped up in my YouTube 'explore other stuff' list after I watched one of his other videos recently about 'why don't we all just use geothermal energy' which was interesting:

Arctic Methane. Has 2020 triggered a tipping point?

Seems the permafrost around the Arctic is melting quicker/differently than usual and it may be in or nearing a runaway state where it dumps masses of methane gas into the atmosphere causing temperatures to rise and the chain reaction that has been talked about for ages when the ice melts, the sea level rises, coastal areas are flooded, ...

Maybe covid has been a convenient reason to go overboard with the global restrictions in an attempt to pause the climate changes by way of vastly reducing all forms of travel, which is a major driver in green house gasses.

Could it be all the green ideas and plans are already too late and we should now be preparing for the next phase, whatever that is likely to entail?

Maybe it'll all blow over. :ph34r:

 

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Lemme guess.  The solution is to give European plutocrats more of our money?  After all, we created the problem.  Now it's down to them to fix it, using our money. Some local 19 year old students

Ffs could have said at 12 we would be wiped out one day by it either getting to hot or to cold.there has been at least 6 great extinctions when basically pretty much everything got wiped out.it’s noth

I guess we should be perpetually scared of ourselves for multiple reasons for extreme periods of time, then. Cool. If nature decides to off us, there's fuck all we can do anyway. I think hum

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4 minutes ago, BoSon said:

The video below popped up in my YouTube 'explore other stuff' list after I watched one of his other videos recently about 'why don't we all just use geothermal energy' which was interesting:

Arctic Methane. Has 2020 triggered a tipping point?

Seems the permafrost around the Arctic is melting quicker/differently than usual and it may be in or nearing a runaway state where it dumps masses of methane gas into the atmosphere causing temperatures to rise and the chain reaction that has been talked about for ages when the ice melts, the sea level rises, coastal areas are flooded, ...

Maybe covid has been a convenient reason to go overboard with the global restrictions in an attempt to pause the climate changes by way of vastly reducing all forms of travel, which is a major driver in green house gasses.

Could it be all the green ideas and plans are already too late and we should now be preparing for the next phase, whatever that is likely to entail?

Maybe it'll all blow over. :ph34r:

 

Except China's Road traffic and domestic flights are now back to pre-covid levels, and beyond in the case of road-traffic. So whatever is going on in the Arctic doesn't seem to affect them. 

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Don’t forget the methane release induced tsunami that will engulf the North Sea coast:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storegga_Slide
The three Storegga Slides are considered to be amongst the largest known submarine landslides. They occurred under water, at the edge of Norway's continental shelf in the Norwegian Sea, approximately 6225–6170 BCE. The collapse involved an estimated 290 km (180 mi) length of coastal shelf, with a total volume of 3,500 km3(840 cu mi) of debris, which caused a megatsunamiin the North Atlantic Ocean.
 

A possible triggering mechanism is thought to have been an earthquake physically triggering a catastrophic expansion of methane clathrate. A cubic metre of solid clathrate expands to 164 cubic metres of methane.

Another theory is that streams from melting glaciers had carried trillions of tons of sediment to the edge of the continental shelf, and that a trigger such as an earthquake caused a large area of seafloor to collapse into the deep Norwegian sea.

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12 minutes ago, Captain Cavey said:

Don’t forget the methane release induced tsunami that will engulf the North Sea coast:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storegga_Slide
The three Storegga Slides are considered to be amongst the largest known submarine landslides. They occurred under water, at the edge of Norway's continental shelf in the Norwegian Sea, approximately 6225–6170 BCE. The collapse involved an estimated 290 km (180 mi) length of coastal shelf, with a total volume of 3,500 km3(840 cu mi) of debris, which caused a megatsunamiin the North Atlantic Ocean.
 

A possible triggering mechanism is thought to have been an earthquake physically triggering a catastrophic expansion of methane clathrate. A cubic metre of solid clathrate expands to 164 cubic metres of methane.

Another theory is that streams from melting glaciers had carried trillions of tons of sediment to the edge of the continental shelf, and that a trigger such as an earthquake caused a large area of seafloor to collapse into the deep Norwegian sea.

That does not sound good.on the bright side at least Northumberland gets it first before Mercia 

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24 minutes ago, ElKapitan84 said:

Lemme guess.  The solution is to give European plutocrats more of our money?  After all, we created the problem.  Now it's down to them to fix it, using our money.

Some local 19 year old students told me so.

Yup, can't tax the Sun.

 

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When solar activity is HIGH, the jet stream is tight and stable and follows somewhat of a straight path. But when solar activity is LOW, that meandering band of air flowing 6 miles above our heads becomes weak and wavy, it effectively buckles which diverts frigid Polar air to atypically low latitudes and replaces it with warmer tropical air.

The jet stream reverts from a Zonal Flow to a Meridional Flow and, depending on which side of the jet stream you’re on, you’re either in for a spell of unseasonably cold or hot weather and/or a period of unusually dry or wet conditions.
 

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This forcing FULLY explains why some far-northern latitudes (such as parts of Siberia) have been experiencing pockets of anomalous heat of late, while the lower-latitudes have been dealing with “blobs” of record cold.

It’s a phenomenon long-predicted by those studying the Sun, and one forecast to intensify as the Grand Solar Minimum continues its deepening.

Let’s note all the recent hysteria regarding the anomalous warmth lingering over Siberia. Well, the region’s cold temperatures didn’t simply up and vanish, nor had they been heated by the magic CO2 affect, or escaped Earth’s atmosphere and leaked into space — no, they were diverted south on the back of a meridional (wavy) jet stream flow: and it is THIS that’s the main reason for the lower latitudes experiencing record low temperatures of late.

Residing to the south of Siberia is Mongolia, Kazakhstan, and little town called China. While Siberia was reportedly melting into oblivion, these regions beneath it were experiencing anomalous, often record-breaking COLD.

And then in June, the Siberian Times reported that a “swing” had now occurred, that northern Siberia’s well-documented heat had been followed-up by unprecedented “June snow, tornadoes and floods” — an update the MSM failed to report on.

Furthermore, and serving as another example of the Changing Jet Stream, the ST article goes on to explain that while snow in the northern mountains melted some two-weeks ahead of schedule this year, “further south, though, several roads in Khakassia –known to locals as ‘Warm Siberia’ for its mild climate– were blocked by snow.”
 

unusual-June-snow.jpg?resize=640%2C409&s Rare June snow in in Khakassia aka ‘Warm Siberia’.


North America is another example.

Because while parts of far-northern Alaska/Canada were experiencing anomalous heat back in May, the lower-latitudes beneath them –where the majority of us humans reside– were busy breaking records for all-time COLD:

 

https://electroverse.net/recap-the-changing-jet-stream-and-global-cooling/

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1 hour ago, BoSon said:

The video below popped up in my YouTube 'explore other stuff' list after I watched one of his other videos recently about 'why don't we all just use geothermal energy' which was interesting:

Arctic Methane. Has 2020 triggered a tipping point?

Seems the permafrost around the Arctic is melting quicker/differently than usual and it may be in or nearing a runaway state where it dumps masses of methane gas into the atmosphere causing temperatures to rise and the chain reaction that has been talked about for ages when the ice melts, the sea level rises, coastal areas are flooded, ...

Maybe covid has been a convenient reason to go overboard with the global restrictions in an attempt to pause the climate changes by way of vastly reducing all forms of travel, which is a major driver in green house gasses.

Could it be all the green ideas and plans are already too late and we should now be preparing for the next phase, whatever that is likely to entail?

Maybe it'll all blow over. :ph34r:

 

I  know two Physicists (Uni researchers) who both told me the prospects for our children and grandchildren are not good at all and hot house earth is a likely outcome

They aren't climate specialists (one is lasers and the other nuclear stuff) but deduce what they believe from their understandings of how gases behave in the atmosphere / albedo effect and trigger points - the freezing point of water being one particular factor. 

They are also Iranian and both said the Middle East will be unliveable for climatic reasons within 80 years (or nuclear war....) 

 

 

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8 minutes ago, Kurt Barlow said:

I  know two Physicists (Uni researchers) who both told me the prospects for our children and grandchildren are not good at all and hot house earth is a likely outcome

They aren't climate specialists (one is lasers and the other nuclear stuff) but deduce what they believe from their understandings of how gases behave in the atmosphere / albedo effect and trigger points - the freezing point of water being one particular factor. 

They are also Iranian and both said the Middle East will be unliveable for climatic reasons within 80 years (or nuclear war....) 

 

 

Ffs could have said at 12 we would be wiped out one day by it either getting to hot or to cold.there has been at least 6 great extinctions when basically pretty much everything got wiped out.it’s nothing new . Even humans have already had near misses yep climate change again .we did not overfish megladon to death and they went extinct fairly recently .in short it’s normal however people don’t like my apathetic nature but I’m correct 

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I think the biggest problem is scientist over analysing a complex system with so many variables it is nigh impossible to understand without a super-computer running complex algorithms that somebody has made up to prove they are clever and/or get funding.

I don't doubt that there are some very clever people out there but their work is polluted by the people they have to work with.

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4 minutes ago, Chewing Grass said:

I think the biggest problem is scientist over analysing a complex system with so many variables it is nigh impossible to understand without a super-computer running complex algorithms that somebody has made up to prove they are clever and/or get funding.

I don't doubt that there are some very clever people out there but their work is polluted by the people they have to work with.

The answer often comes back as look for evidence around us that doesn't need a super computer

No. of frosts per year for a given location

Fish species moving northwards

Rising sea levels

and so on. 

Ok first two not necessarily bad for the UK but No.3 is definitely a concern. All points towards the slow boiling frog scenario. 

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15 minutes ago, Kurt Barlow said:

I  know two Physicists (Uni researchers) who both told me the prospects for our children and grandchildren are not good at all and hot house earth is a likely outcome

They aren't climate specialists (one is lasers and the other nuclear stuff) but deduce what they believe from their understandings of how gases behave in the atmosphere / albedo effect and trigger points - the freezing point of water being one particular factor. 

They are also Iranian and both said the Middle East will be unliveable for climatic reasons within 80 years (or nuclear war....) 

 

 

The Sahel desert is 're-greening' right now, and NOAA's new appointee (A "climate change denier*", naturally - despite being a Professor of climatology and geology) maintains that "there is no scientific consensus on the environmental hazard of carbon dioxide emissions"

He's probably a COVID denier too.

*“Climate is changing because it always has changed and always will—it is dynamic and variable”

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8 minutes ago, stokiescum said:

Ffs could have said at 12 we would be wiped out one day by it either getting to hot or to cold.there has been at least 6 great extinctions when basically pretty much everything got wiped out.it’s nothing new . Even humans have already had near misses yep climate change again .we did not overfish megladon to death and they went extinct fairly recently .in short it’s normal however people don’t like my apathetic nature but I’m correct 

Difference is this is largely self inflicted. 

 

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Just now, Loki said:

The Sahel desert is 're-greening' right now, and NOAA's new appointee (A "climate change denier*", naturally - despite being a Professor of climatology and geology) maintains that "there is no scientific consensus on the environmental hazard of carbon dioxide emissions"

He's probably a COVID denier too.

*“Climate is changing because it always has changed and always will—it is dynamic and variable”

That phenomena is well known. Its one positive among many negatives. 

The Sahel is not a desert. Semi desert would be more appropriate. 

1 minute ago, Loki said:

Completely disagree. 

Fine

Whats causing the observed increase in the planets temperature? 

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23 minutes ago, Kurt Barlow said:

I  know two Physicists (Uni researchers) who both told me the prospects for our children and grandchildren are not good at all and hot house earth is a likely outcome

They aren't climate specialists (one is lasers and the other nuclear stuff) but deduce what they believe from their understandings of how gases behave in the atmosphere / albedo effect and trigger points - the freezing point of water being one particular factor. 

They are also Iranian and both said the Middle East will be unliveable for climatic reasons within 80 years (or nuclear war....) 

 

 

Have they read about grand solar minimums?

The next one allegedly means colder temperatures as almost zero sunspots for 30 years.

Global cooling will be our fault, too.

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1 minute ago, Noallegiance said:

Have they read about grand solar minimums?

The next one allegedly means colder temperatures as almost zero sunspots for 30 years.

Global cooling will be our fault, too.

The suns output over our geological timescale is constant. There is no significant variation which would expalin the recent temperature uplift. . Both have done lots of measurements in this field and said it aint the sun and the earth isn't moving nearer to the sun. 

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1 minute ago, Loki said:

False data 

The classic joker card. 

The Contrarions its the will of god cop out :D

So why then are growing seasons approximately 1 month longer in the UK (and other locations on a similar latitude)  than they were 40/50 years ago? 

Why do I hardly every have to clear frost off my car now whereas 20 years ago in the same location it was every week? 

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Just now, Kurt Barlow said:

The classic joker card. 

The Contrarions its the will of god cop out :D

So why then are growing seasons approximately 1 month longer in the UK (and other locations on a similar latitude)  than they were 40/50 years ago? 

Why do I hardly every have to clear frost off my car now whereas 20 years ago in the same location it was every week? 

The UK has a maritime climate. 

The UK  ≠ The world

Why is the continent of America hitting record lows?

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2 minutes ago, Kurt Barlow said:

The suns output over our geological timescale is constant. There is no significant variation which would expalin the recent temperature uplift. . Both have done lots of measurements in this field and said it aint the sun and the earth isn't moving nearer to the sun. 

I guess we should be perpetually scared of ourselves for multiple reasons for extreme periods of time, then.

Cool.

If nature decides to off us, there's fuck all we can do anyway. I think humans still reckon they're the centre of all happenings despite proclaiming they aren't. It's like we're living through our version of believing the universe spins around us.

We can't shake our ego. It's all us, you know. It's part of our self-justification.

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