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sarahbell

Actimel. 

Don't know how long but seen an advertisement for it on TV today.

It's also available in some flavoured instant coffees. 

 

Anything else?

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Saw the video below yesterday after it appeared on my YouTube recommended list. Some interesting points (summarised below as I remember them, may need to rewatch to be accurate) relevant to covid

You think I started it due to Dosbods? I must come over as more stupid than I thought. I've been taking it since my daughter's birth 11 and a half years ago, when the Swiss doctors gave Vitamin D

One of the other issues is that soils are now so degraded that food grown in them has much lower levels of nutrients than in the past.  The confusion is over RDA's for vitamins and minerals. RDA'

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I mentioned in another thread about products trying to "cash in" on 
Covid fears without making explicit claims. This suggests to me that the message about vitamin D has reached the general public despite government attempts to play it down.

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2 hours ago, eight said:

I mentioned in another thread about products trying to "cash in" on 
Covid fears without making explicit claims. This suggests to me that the message about vitamin D has reached the general public despite government attempts to play it down.

I am not taking Vitamin D, nor any supplement.

I believe it is all hype, but have held back with posting that view as I will get slaughtered by the many pill worshippers on here.

Over the counter medicines and remedies are a massive market in the UK, really huge money, and I can't help being sceptical about them because of that fact...

 

XYY

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2 hours ago, eight said:

I mentioned in another thread about products trying to "cash in" on 
Covid fears without making explicit claims. This suggests to me that the message about vitamin D has reached the general public despite government attempts to play it down.

Well it can't do you any harm.

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23 minutes ago, The XYY Man said:

I am not taking Vitamin D, nor any supplement.

I believe it is all hype, but have held back with posting that view as I will get slaughtered by the many pill worshippers on here.

Over the counter medicines and remedies are a massive market in the UK, really huge money, and I can't help being sceptical about them because of that fact...

 

XYY

Everything I've read suggests that maintaining a decent vitamin D level in the body through the course of the year is a very sensible thing to do -helps  protect against viral infections, immune system improvement and regulation, even possible anti-cancer. You may say that taking vitamin D as a supplement is not natural but then neither is head to toe garments, indoor living for 95% of the time and most of our diet nowadays and if living away from the equator in winter months your body simply will not be able to acquire appropriate levels.

 

 

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26 minutes ago, onlyme said:

Everything I've read suggests that maintaining a decent vitamin D level in the body through the course of the year is a very sensible thing to do -helps  protect against viral infections, immune system improvement and regulation, even possible anti-cancer. You may say that taking vitamin D as a supplement is not natural but then neither is head to toe garments, indoor living for 95% of the time and most of our diet nowadays and if living away from the equator in winter months your body simply will not be able to acquire appropriate levels.

 

 

It's a general anti-inflammatory. Unlike @The XYY Man...

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32 minutes ago, onlyme said:

Everything I've read suggests that maintaining a decent vitamin D level in the body through the course of the year is a very sensible thing to do -helps  protect against viral infections, immune system improvement and regulation, even possible anti-cancer. You may say that taking vitamin D as a supplement is not natural but then neither is head to toe garments, indoor living for 95% of the time and most of our diet nowadays and if living away from the equator in winter months your body simply will not be able to acquire appropriate levels.

 

 

The bit I've highlighted is what stops me buying the whole argument.

The colour of my skin says I can indeed thrive and survive in the North - as the many generations before me did without any supplements.

Which also - as a by-product - proves that there is no such thing as "race" in humans. Skin colour is pure geography, and "race" is a construct designed to wind people up - which it certainly does on here...

 

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11 minutes ago, The XYY Man said:

The bit I've highlighted is what stops me buying the whole argument.

The colour of my skin says I can indeed thrive and survive in the North - as the many generations before me did without any supplements.

Which also - as a by-product - proves that there is no such thing as "race" in humans. Skin colour is pure geography, and "race" is a construct designed to wind people up - which it certainly does on here...

 

XYY

Black Death was unbelievably brutal in  urban Norway and Sweden even relative to the rest of Europe. It’s estimated that 70% of the population of Bergen died in the first year it hit there!

We have evolved pale skin BECAUSE it is such a significant problem. The fact of winter disease “seasons” above certain latitudes suggests it is an imperfect solution.

It is entirely up to you whether you choose to take supplements or not though. It is a free country, after all...

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2 minutes ago, Hail the Tripod said:

Black Death was unbelievably brutal in  urban Norway and Sweden even relative to the rest of Europe. It’s estimated that 70% of the population of Bergen died in the first year it hit there!

We have evolved pale skin BECAUSE it is such a significant problem. The fact of winter disease “seasons” above certain latitudes suggests it is an imperfect solution.

It is entirely up to you whether you choose to take supplements or not though. It is a free country, after all...

 

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Bit in bold is something we used to say when I was younger!

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4 minutes ago, Hail the Tripod said:

It is entirely up to you whether you choose to take supplements or not though. It is a free country, after all...

Agreed.

And I extend you the same courtesy.

And if you are "right" in the end and I am "wrong" - well done...

 

XYY

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14 minutes ago, The XYY Man said:

The bit I've highlighted is what stops me buying the whole argument.

The colour of my skin says I can indeed thrive and survive in the North - as the many generations before me did without any supplements.

Which also - as a by-product - proves that there is no such thing as "race" in humans. Skin colour is pure geography, and "race" is a construct designed to wind people up - which it certainly does on here...

 

XYY

The peoples of the world are different, and (aside from white people) treat other people differently to their own people. 

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17 minutes ago, The XYY Man said:

The bit I've highlighted is what stops me buying the whole argument.

The colour of my skin says I can indeed thrive and survive in the North - as the many generations before me did without any supplements.

Which also - as a by-product - proves that there is no such thing as "race" in humans. Skin colour is pure geography, and "race" is a construct designed to wind people up - which it certainly does on here...

 

XYY

Even 80 years ago plenty of people would be outside working growing food. 

The industrialization of the world forces people indoors.

 

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7 minutes ago, Carl Fimble said:

The peoples of the world are different, and (aside from white people) treat other people differently to their own people. 

All simply different tribes indulging in tribal behaviour.

Once you get that, your life becomes easier to understand and much more relaxed...

 

XYY

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Hail the Tripod
5 minutes ago, sarahbell said:

Even 80 years ago plenty of people would be outside working growing food. 

The industrialization of the world forces people indoors.

 

The carefree days of winter 1940, back before they had COVID to worry about. Even then Londoners were spending too much time indoors. 

 

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The XYY Man
6 minutes ago, sarahbell said:

Even 80 years ago plenty of people would be outside working growing food. 

The industrialization of the world forces people indoors.

And fortunately forced us smokers back out again.

Even if you don't smoke, half an hour eating your scran outside with the lepers at dinnertime would do you less harm than sitting in an office...

 

 XYY

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2 minutes ago, Hail the Tripod said:

The carefree days of winter 1940, back before they had COVID to worry about. Even then Londoners were spending too much time indoors. 

 

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High death rates amongst factory workers and blitz victims.

The farm labourers were still out working everyday. They just didn't have to dodge the bombs

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Hail the Tripod
1 minute ago, sarahbell said:

High death rates amongst factory workers and blitz victims.

The farm labourers were still out working everyday. They just didn't have to dodge the bombs

My Dad kept his childhood helmet and gas mask. The helmet had a massive dent in it from a bit of shrapnel that hit him as he was walking home from school in the Wimbledon area. A bomb that had fallen the night before exploded without warning as he was walking past.
 

Still had to walk to school again the next day. xD

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40 minutes ago, Hail the Tripod said:

Black Death was unbelievably brutal in  urban Norway and Sweden even relative to the rest of Europe. It’s estimated that 70% of the population of Bergen died in the first year it hit there!

We have evolved pale skin BECAUSE it is such a significant problem. The fact of winter disease “seasons” above certain latitudes suggests it is an imperfect solution.

It is entirely up to you whether you choose to take supplements or not though. It is a free country, after all...

It does seem to be a very very strong evolutionary preference, no surprise that Sweden raised their mandatory vit D food fortification in 2019. 

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Carl Fimble
29 minutes ago, The XYY Man said:

All simply different tribes indulging in tribal behaviour.

Once you get that, your life becomes easier to understand and much more relaxed...

 

XYY

Tribes, races, ethnic groups, different peoples of the world, whatever- they're different, and all have in-group preferences, aside from us white people who have been shamed into believing that rooting for our own people is somehow wrong. 

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5 minutes ago, Carl Fimble said:

Tribes, races, ethnic groups, different peoples of the world, whatever- they're different, and all have in-group preferences, aside from us white people who have been shamed into believing that rooting for our own people is somehow wrong. 

But the behaviour of the tribe is governed by those at the top, not those at the bottom.

The majority of posters on here seem to focus their anger on the obedient plebs rather those pulling the strings.

And they are jointly pulling all of our strings, and not just the ones of the tribes you don't like...

 

XYY

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1 hour ago, onlyme said:

Everything I've read suggests that maintaining a decent vitamin D level in the body through the course of the year is a very sensible thing to do -helps  protect against viral infections, immune system improvement and regulation, even possible anti-cancer. You may say that taking vitamin D as a supplement is not natural but then neither is head to toe garments, indoor living for 95% of the time and most of our diet nowadays and if living away from the equator in winter months your body simply will not be able to acquire appropriate levels.

 

 

Problem is that there's no solid evidence that taking supplements helps, even if the body needs extra vitamin D which I believe it does.

I take multi vitamins myself FWIW.

From Wikipedia:

In healthy people, most scientific evidence indicates that multivitamin supplements do not prevent cancer, heart disease, or other ailments, and regular supplementation is not necessary.[2][3][4][5][6][7][8] However, specific groups of people may benefit from multivitamin supplements, for example, people with poor nutrition or those at high risk of macular degeneration.[3][9]

Doubt much harm can come from them but there's a definite issue with some people who have terrible lifestyles and diets then thinking popping a Centrum will fix everything...

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2 hours ago, The XYY Man said:

I am not taking Vitamin D, nor any supplement.

I believe it is all hype, but have held back with posting that view as I will get slaughtered by the many pill worshippers on here.

Over the counter medicines and remedies are a massive market in the UK, really huge money, and I can't help being sceptical about them because of that fact...

 

XYY

I'm sure you'll be just fine.

There is a bit of a slippery slope in getting worked up over every risk rather than just living a happy life.

For a start, I'm sure that the vast majority of those here (including me) managed to live up until now without taking supplements.

I'd probably err on the side of 'everyone should take vitamin D' (I certainly do), but it does sit uneasily with me as perhaps an overreaction to life's uncertainties.

[All my grandparents took supplements in their later years.  As I saw them deteriorate, I could only think of those little pills as a straw that they were hanging onto for dear life, when the drowning was inevitable; in the end death was undeterred by that bottle of Sanatogen vital 50+]

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3 minutes ago, spunko said:

Problem is that there's no solid evidence that taking supplements helps, even if the body needs extra vitamin D which I believe it does.

I take multi vitamins myself FWIW.

From Wikipedia:

In healthy people, most scientific evidence indicates that multivitamin supplements do not prevent cancer, heart disease, or other ailments, and regular supplementation is not necessary.[2][3][4][5][6][7][8] However, specific groups of people may benefit from multivitamin supplements, for example, people with poor nutrition or those at high risk of macular degeneration.[3][9]

Doubt much harm can come from them but there's a definition issue with people have terrible lifestyles and diets then thinking popping a Centrum will fix everything...

Personally wouldn't wipe my arse with a paper copy Wikipedia. It is going down so rapidly day by day.

On the basis that had not heard of anything specific in regards heart disease and vitamin deficiency, this is the first hit. It looks like there is. You can take the general immune system /vit D benefits (having recommended body levels) to the bank. 

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.107.706127

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58 minutes ago, Hail the Tripod said:

The carefree days of winter 1940, back before they had COVID to worry about. Even then Londoners were spending too much time indoors. 

 

CE2292BC-E516-411E-A599-997DEC7C1E46.jpeg

A boring point that's OT, but those people on the platform wouldn't have realised at the time that just behind the rectangle in the top right of the image you'd have found the Elgin Marbles.

[Alas, Aldwych Tube station is no more.  I never really used you when I lived round there, but that's only because you were always closed.  ]

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23 minutes ago, spunko said:

Problem is that there's no solid evidence that taking supplements helps, even if the body needs extra vitamin D which I believe it does.

I take multi vitamins myself FWIW.

From Wikipedia:

In healthy people, most scientific evidence indicates that multivitamin supplements do not prevent cancer, heart disease, or other ailments, and regular supplementation is not necessary.[2][3][4][5][6][7][8] However, specific groups of people may benefit from multivitamin supplements, for example, people with poor nutrition or those at high risk of macular degeneration.[3][9]

Doubt much harm can come from them but there's a definite issue with some people who have terrible lifestyles and diets then thinking popping a Centrum will fix everything...

I doubt multivitamins do much for most people.

I do take 'vitamin C supplements' on occasion, but that's only because I've got some screech powder 'for free' and I'm too tight to buy orange juice.

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