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10 hours ago, Paulie said:

Perhaps we can confiscate all the drugs and deviant porn coming in from Holland. Arguably just as bad as the ham sandwiches. Rules are rules but this is cheap propaganda and I thought better of the Dutch. 

Indeed, it surprises me as Dutch people are the only ones who have told me on my many work trips around Europe that they thought Brexit was good for us and they’d like a bit of the same.

I guess pigs are pigs wherever you go, though? And I don’t mean the ham sort.

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I don't really get this, surely if ham is a danger then it was a danger on 30th December. I get that things have changed, but this seem nonsensical.

We have had rules about allowing animals in due to rabies in the UK which were quite happily policed during our time in the EU. I've no doubt there have been plenty of things that have been prohibited at EU borders, people have had freedom of movement, but nothing else has.

So rather it being an issue that it's now banned it raises the question why it wasn't before.... has there ever been a European wide pandemic due to a half eaten UK ham sandwich?

Ultimately I'm more than happy to put up with petty rules, if you want to get serious and ransack the back of a van for a ham sandwich then clearly you are capable of doing the same coming the other way and finding a load of Afgans... so knock yourself out.

 

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11 hours ago, Paulie said:

Perhaps we can confiscate all the drugs and deviant porn coming in from Holland. Arguably just as bad as the ham sandwiches. Rules are rules but this is cheap propaganda and I thought better of the Dutch. 

In general the Dutch are absolute jobsworths who love bureaucracy, so they can hide behind it.

They weren't so keen on hassling Brits coming to free them from the German in the 40s.

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2 minutes ago, Battenberg said:

It’s that control thing again.

I shipped orders to Germany before Christmas. Some customers want to return them but Germany are not shipping parcels to the UK because of Brexit. They are only allowing letters to be sent.

It's less distance from this, to war, than it from not this, to this.

WTF is going on?

14 minutes ago, Hancock said:

They weren't so keen on hassling Brits coming to free them from the German in the 40s.

It's probably about time they were reminded of that.

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7 minutes ago, eight said:

It's less distance from this, to war, than it from not this, to this.

WTF is going on?

It's probably about time they were reminded of that.

I've been thinking for some time that we need to pull out of NATO, especially if EU countries extract vengeance on us for Brexit. No more reason why we should be defending the rest of Europe and saving their arses considering how little thanks we get. And we let the Germans off the rest of their reparations in the 90s. We're an island, we've got nukes, Russia (or a future EU army) can't really touch us.

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10 minutes ago, The Idiocrat said:

I've been thinking for some time that we need to pull out of NATO, especially if EU countries extract vengeance on us for Brexit. No more reason why we should be defending the rest of Europe and saving their arses considering how little thanks we get. And we let the Germans off the rest of their reparations in the 90s. We're an island, we've got nukes, Russia (or a future EU army) can't really touch us.

Since we're all suddenly living in mid-XX century again in this thread, I'd like to remind you that, in return for their service in the Battle of Britain, you fuckers sold Poland to the Soviets, you arrogant self-satisfied cunts. Don't try to act superior or claim moral high ground all of the sudden.

Or we can agree than it's been 80 years since the war and none of us (or the Dutch/French/German) was there.

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4 minutes ago, kibuc said:

Since we're all suddenly living in mid-XX century again in this thread, I'd like to remind you that, in return for their service in the Battle of Britain, you fuckers sold Poland to the Soviets, you arrogant self-satisfied cunts. Don't try to act superior or claim moral high ground all of the sudden.

Or we can agree than it's been 80 years since the war and none of us (or the Dutch/French/German) was there.

Clearly your countrymen were so disgusted that they refused en masse to ever set foot in this country again.

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8 minutes ago, kibuc said:

Since we're all suddenly living in mid-XX century again in this thread, I'd like to remind you that, in return for their service in the Battle of Britain, you fuckers sold Poland to the Soviets, you arrogant self-satisfied cunts. Don't try to act superior or claim moral high ground all of the sudden.

Or we can agree than it's been 80 years since the war and none of us (or the Dutch/French/German) was there.

Would you rather we'd left you to the Nazis in the first place. Or not taken in Polish refugees? Or immigrants? (FWIW, I'm the son of immigrants). My best mate at school was/is Polish, his father was in one of the RAF Polish squadrons. He loved this country and appreciated what we'd done. Anyway, let it go, it was 80 years ago.

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10 minutes ago, The Idiocrat said:

Would you rather we'd left you to the Nazis in the first place. Or not taken in Polish refugees? Or immigrants? (FWIW, I'm the son of immigrants). My best mate at school was/is Polish, his father was in one of the RAF Polish squadrons. He loved this country and appreciated what we'd done. Anyway, let it go, it was 80 years ago.

Dude, how about reading all the way to the end before replying. I know it's been 80 years. That's my whole point. I'm nowhere near that age and I assume neither are you, so you couldn't have left me to the Nazis in 1940s no matter what. But apparently some in this thread take credit and expect some sort of graditude for things that someone else had done decades before they were born, while washing their hands from any shady stuff from the same period.

My Argentinian mate at work had grandmother who lived in Poland in late 1940s and worked for NKVD, who brutally murdered hundred of thousands on Poles during the war and then all the way through to mid-50s, including members of my family. The idea that he ows me anything because of that is laughable.

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36 minutes ago, Harley said:

Grow up twat!  I thought most of our ham came from Denmark - aka the EU!

 

Denmark and Holland are both massive exporters of pork. Denmark produces something like 300% of its domestic needs. 

Sometimes when pongy smells come in from the North Sea in East Anglia / Lincs its caused by massive pig poo spreading in Holland / Denmark. 

Convert to Islam and eat British Lamb :P

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20 minutes ago, kibuc said:

Dude, how about reading all the way to the end before replying. I know it's been 80 years. That's my whole point. I'm nowhere near that age and I assume neither are you, so you couldn't have left me to the Nazis in 1940s no matter what. But apparently some in this thread take credit and expect some sort of graditude for things that someone else had done decades before they were born, while washing their hands from any shady stuff from the same period.

My Argentinian mate at work had grandmother who lived in Poland in late 1940s and worked for NKVD, who brutally murdered hundred of thousands on Poles during the war and then all the way through to mid-50s, including members of my family. The idea that he ows me anything because of that is laughable.

Yeah, I read your full post - you don't seem to have let it go either, that was my point. No-one here is taking personal credit, but you know we are taking credit as nationals of a country that did a good fucking thing during WWII. Not perfect, but bloody good. And, you know what, we also can see the same in the future in the world, and I can see where we'll be asked to step up again. The EU countries, the EU that came into being in order to stop killing eachoter after we, the Americans and the Commonwealth countries brought peace to Europe, the EU that was protected by NATO from the Soviets, is shitting on us - "No good deed goes unpunished". I'm saying in return we promise them not to bail their arses when it goes wrong again if that's the way they treat us. History repeats or rhymes (Napoleonic Wars, WWI, WWII, Cold War)\.... There's no problem with having long memories when it comes to the lives of nations - they are much longer than the lives of men.

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6 minutes ago, The Idiocrat said:

Yeah, I read your full post - you don't seem to have let it go either, that was my point. No-one here is taking personal credit, but you know we are taking credit as a nationals of a country that did a good fucking thing during WWII. Not perfect, but bloody good. And, you know what, we also can see the same in the future in the world, and I can see where we'll be asked to step up again. The EU countries, the EU that came into being in order to stop killing eachoter after we, the Americans and the Commonwealth countries brought peace to Europe, the EU that was protected by NATO from the Soviets, is shitting on us - "No good deed goes unpunished". I'm saying in return we promise them not to bail their arses when it goes wrong again if that's the way they treat us. There's no problem with having long memories when it comes to the lives of nations - they are much longer than the lives of men.

I don't believe in collective achievements or collective responsibility, and I certainly don't subscribe to the idea of "national" credit. It all sounds like riding someone else's coattails to me. The history needs to be remembered to make sure the bad bits don't repeat, not to keep some sort of checks and balances across generations.

However, if someone thinks otherwise, at the very least I'd expect them to own all of it, the good with the bad.

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