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Why do some trade unions get to call themselves Royal Colleges?


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We have the Royal college of nursing, the Royal college of midwives or midwifery and possibly a few mir I've not heard of. These are trade unions for their respective trades so why can they give themselves titles which imply that they are bodies that oversee standards when in fact their primary purpose is to get the best pay and conditions for their members?

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44 minutes ago, Rare Bear said:

We have the Royal college of nursing, the Royal college of midwives or midwifery and possibly a few mir I've not heard of. These are trade unions for their respective trades so why can they give themselves titles which imply that they are bodies that oversee standards when in fact their primary purpose is to get the best pay and conditions for their members?

Isn't the union Unison? Formed from the amalgamation of NUPE, COHSE and NALGO? 

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1 minute ago, Roger_Mellie said:

Isn't the union Unison? Formed from the amalgamation of NUPE, COHSE and NALGO? 

Maybe there's more than one union. If you Google the Royal colleges it says that they're unions. It would strike me as an attempt to hide their actual purpose.

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58 minutes ago, Rare Bear said:

We have the Royal college of nursing, the Royal college of midwives or midwifery and possibly a few mir I've not heard of. These are trade unions for their respective trades so why can they give themselves titles which imply that they are bodies that oversee standards when in fact their primary purpose is to get the best pay and conditions for their members?

I think it dates back to before the days of the GMC when the various colleges did act as the regulators. Agreed though, they’re just unions at this point (same as the BMA).

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2 minutes ago, TheBlueCat said:

I think it dates back to before the days of the GMC when the various colleges did act as the regulators. Agreed though, they’re just unions at this point (same as the BMA).

Yes, the GMC is a regulator and some people call the BMA the oldest trade union in the world.

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Doesn't matter from what I know of the Royal College of Nursing. For at least thirty years I know of the fees the frontline nurses pay (and they have to be registered to practice) do nothing other than pay sinecures for a bunch of useless fuckers who do nothing for nurses.

This is via first hand experience from a professional issue mum had in the nineties and friends wives since.

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The county I live in is "Royal Berkshire" and this has been used to great advantage when naming your organisation. The Royal Berkshire Cycling Club and so on.

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22 minutes ago, MrLibertyRedux said:

Doesn't matter from what I know of the Royal College of Nursing. For at least thirty years I know of the fees the frontline nurses pay (and they have to be registered to practice) do nothing other than pay sinecures for a bunch of useless fuckers who do nothing for nurses.

This is via first hand experience from a professional issue mum had in the nineties and friends wives since.

Had a debate with a nurse over PIN numbers and she was saying carers should have them if nurses do .I’m like but we have to do police checks etc .she then went into full rant mode in front of everyone about how professional nurses are but care workers are ten a penny . I sat there eating my cucumber a cheese butties and said tell me one care worker that has been convicted of a murder then said I will start with NHS employees and my first card is Harold shipman who is probably the most prolific murder the worlds ever seen then I started nameing killer nurses other doctors the saline killer etc .the room went quiet she stormed off and it was a patient that broke the silence by saying well that shut her up lol

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The Royal Colleges of Surgeons and Physicians (RCS & RCP respectively) conduct post graduate examinations of doctors specialising in those disciplines, so yes they are regulatory bodies. I believe that the Royal College of Nursing isn’t so much a union, but it does lobby on behalf of the membership.

BTW tonight’s Question Time was a disgrace. 1st question posed was about the NHS. ‘Audience Member’ was a hospital consultant who got the chance to answer his own question, next up was the chair of the RCN, next up was a nursing student and the a hospital consultant of 20 years. 

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6 hours ago, JohnThePessimist said:

The Royal Colleges of Surgeons and Physicians (RCS & RCP respectively) conduct post graduate examinations of doctors specialising in those disciplines, so yes they are regulatory bodies. I believe that the Royal College of Nursing isn’t so much a union, but it does lobby on behalf of the membership.

BTW tonight’s Question Time was a disgrace. 1st question posed was about the NHS. ‘Audience Member’ was a hospital consultant who got the chance to answer his own question, next up was the chair of the RCN, next up was a nursing student and the a hospital consultant of 20 years. 

It was in fact the RCN woman who reminded me to ask the question.

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6 hours ago, JohnThePessimist said:

The Royal Colleges of Surgeons and Physicians (RCS & RCP respectively) conduct post graduate examinations of doctors specialising in those disciplines, so yes they are regulatory bodies. I believe that the Royal College of Nursing isn’t so much a union, but it does lobby on behalf of the membership.

BTW tonight’s Question Time was a disgrace. 1st question posed was about the NHS. ‘Audience Member’ was a hospital consultant who got the chance to answer his own question, next up was the chair of the RCN, next up was a nursing student and the a hospital consultant of 20 years. 

I always thought that the RCS was basically a specialised university that trained would be medical people from scratch. At least, in my school days some people did medicine by doing a medical degree at what I'll call a conventional university, one where you might do day engineering or classics. The RCS just trained would be doctors. For doctors who wanted to become surgeons the RCS exams seemed to be part of the journey.

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2 hours ago, Rare Bear said:

I always thought that the RCS was basically a specialised university that trained would be medical people from scratch. At least, in my school days some people did medicine by doing a medical degree at what I'll call a conventional university, one where you might do day engineering or classics. The RCS just trained would be doctors. For doctors who wanted to become surgeons the RCS exams seemed to be part of the journey.

RCSI in Dublin operates like that, medicine & dentistry. I’m not aware of any others that acts as medical school. 

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Just now, Dave Bloke said:

Royal College in Ireland, who is sponsor? Rory O'Connor?

Ireland in the early 1800’s was a loyal and prosperous part of the union. There are many legacy institutions including the Royal Dublin Society (RDS), Royal Yacht Club in Cork as well as the royal colleges of medicine. However 100 years of direct rule from Westminster fucked things up royally and led to independence and partition.

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13 minutes ago, JohnThePessimist said:

RCSI in Dublin operates like that, medicine & dentistry. I’m not aware of any others that acts as medical school. 

What about RCS in London just beside LSE? Mind you, I'm only aware of it because I wet to visit the Hunterian museum a few years back.

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6 minutes ago, JohnThePessimist said:

Ireland in the early 1800’s was a loyal and prosperous part of the union. There are many legacy institutions including the Royal Dublin Society (RDS), Royal Yacht Club in Cork as well as the royal colleges of medicine. However 100 years of direct rule from Westminster fucked things up royally and led to independence and partition.

Not forgetting the Royal George in Fun Laoghoire, the only place I've seen a silver service barbecue.

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8 minutes ago, Rare Bear said:

What about RCS in London just beside LSE? Mind you, I'm only aware of it because I wet to visit the Hunterian museum a few years back.

The RCS oversees the post graduate training of doctors specialising in surgery, and it awards fellowships and memberships to suitably qualified surgeons. This is usually a prerequisite to becoming a consultant surgeon.

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