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Jabbee or Not Jabbee, that is the question.


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sarahbell
47 minutes ago, DocH said:

 

 

I'm 71, 

 

 


You should have led with your age.


Toss a coin. 

 

 

 

 

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Mirror Mirror

Hi Doc (does your username hint at your (former?) occupation?).

I would say you’ve written a very good summary of where we are with these new vaccines. Not much I can add except perhaps to say that I will personally bear in mind that age is not absolute. By this I mean, if you’re 71 and in good nick, you would probably have a better chance of surviving covid than an obese 40 year old diabetic, all other things being equal.

Im 20 years younger than you and as far as I know, in good nick, therefore the risks of being vaccinated with new technology outweigh the risks from becoming infected, in itself not a given, since I may already have pre existing immunity (20% symptomatic household transmission, Diamond Princess etc).

I think the risks are as you have described plus there are inevitably unknown unknowns. The immune system is an incredibly complex entity, even now having areas of mechanism which are poorly understood, and tinkering about with it in this way cannot be without risk, in my opinion. 
 

Also it’s difficult to ignore the vested interests which surround these vaccines, perhaps promoting their uptake more than would normally be the case with any new drug.

Obviously I can’t tell you what to do, but these are just my thoughts on the issue, here’s a post I made a few day ago.

Here’s where I got some HCQ

https://www.dokteronline.com/en/hydroxychloroquine

 

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I wouldn't particularly want to influence you - potentially this is a life or death decision.

I won't be having "the" (who knows which one) vaccine when it is first offered, but I'm 20 years younger than you so my risk / reward ratio is quite different.

Another factor is that response to the vaccines falls off rapidly with increasing age (difficult to find data on this 9_9) and I have a feeling they're not as effective as claimed.

My parents are about your age.  I said to them that it might be better to sit this one out and wait to see what develops before next autumn.  They have no vulnerabilities other than age and don't interact much with the rest of society.  They had their first shots anyway, but is that an option for you?

I think there might be better drugs than HCQ for covid - certainly more suitable for home use.

And I'm 51 and have never been stung by a bee - wasps many times.  Wasps are bastards.

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sarahbell
1 minute ago, Big Boy said:

And I'm 51 and have never been stung by a bee - wasps many times.  Wasps are bastards.

 

Same age. 
One wasp many bees.

Some hurt more than others.
It's not the needle that bothers me. it's the potential for catching it off some Typhoid mary, or if we actually had Covid last march, do I need the vaccine now?

 

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montecristo

One thing to be aware that none of the vaccines have yet passed phase 3 trials.

I won't be getting any vaccine that has not at least completed trials.  I'm in my 40's, no health problems and not over weight so very unlikely to die with the flu.  My only fear is requiring a vaccine passport to allow travel.

I had been severely deficient in vitamin d up to 2019, now I take 4000ui daily.  I also have a a stock of HCQ and zinc (just in case).

It's a personal decision to take the vaccine or not and I wouldn't let anyone push you into taking it.

On a side note you say you are 71, why on earth are you worried about what your employer thinks :)

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Sasquatch

It's a personal choice. I'm 53 and I consider myself to be in good health. Correct body weight and I keep myself fit.

I won't be accepting the vaccine this year although I may reconsider in future years once more is known about it and the vaccine. 

My in laws (77 and 75) both had the vaccine 2 or 3 weeks ago. No side effects so far.

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12 minutes ago, Sasquatch said:

It's a personal choice. I'm 53 and I consider myself to be in good health. Correct body weight and I keep myself fit.

I won't be accepting the vaccine this year although I may reconsider in future years once more is known about it and the vaccine. 

My in laws (77 and 75) both had the vaccine 2 or 3 weeks ago. No side effects so far.

What about their fertility?

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maynardgravy
2 hours ago, DocH said:

r, when I should have listened to more Bill Gates

Plenty of Indians will take that up with you. 

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3 hours ago, DocH said:

 if I DO tell them, then that may mark me out as a dissident/trouble-maker in their eyes, which may have consequences in the future.

 

 

You're 71.

It's time to start wearing purple.

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3 hours ago, Mirror Mirror said:

 

I think the risks are as you have described plus there are inevitably unknown unknowns. The immune system is an incredibly complex entity, even now having areas of mechanism which are poorly understood, and tinkering about with it in this way cannot be without risk, in my opinion. 
 

Thanks for responding.

That about sums it up. Unknown unknowns. It's irritating to hear people say "But there's no evidence of long-term harm!" when there cannot be ANY evidence of long-term ANYTHING at this point.

I am in good nick for my age. Can hardly believe it IS my age. No medication except low dose aspirin.

Part of my calculation is: Medics are getting better and better at dealing with Covid. And one can help one's immune system and be prepared to self-medicate. Against that there is the [low? Indeterminate] possibility of getting some uncomfortable semi-predictable reaction like anaphylactis, or of getting some unpredictable rare obscure reaction that may be untreatable, irreversible and which people won't even recognise as being caused by the the vaccine. Makes me think it's more rational to go with the known risk.

 

added: thanks for the HCL source. Will check. So far had found c 90 pills for c £76 or so.

 

 

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3 hours ago, Big Boy said:

Another factor is that response to the vaccines falls off rapidly with increasing age

Wasn't aware of that. Though I understand that one's immune system generally has lessened effectiveness with age, sadly.

I could certainly wait for a year and check again. They could add a vaccine to my system then, but there's no way they can remove it once it's in me...

"They had their first shots anyway, but is that an option for you?" Well, I think it would be: I could just not turn up to the second invitation.

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Like  others wouldn't want to sway an Individual decision. If I were in my 70's with what I have read then would tend towards vaccination myself,  but keep eye on what is happening in the interim.  Would also be doing a lot to keep immune system up especially as reports of vaccines pulling the immune system down for many for a week or so.

There's some real unknowns out there - long term effect of the virus as well as  vaccines. I have a feeling that the virus has significant potential to catch a lot of people out.

 

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3 hours ago, Mirror Mirror said:

 

I would say you’ve written a very good summary of where we are with these new vaccines. Not much I can add except perhaps to say that I will personally bear in mind that age is not absolute. By this I mean, if you’re 71 and in good nick, you would probably have a better chance of surviving covid than an obese 40 year old diabetic, all other things being equal.

Ihttps://www.dokteronline.com/en/hydroxychloroquine

Totally agree @DocHcovered all the bases.

 

Thanks for the HCQ link. Do you have to have a telephone consultation and what did you say to get it? "I have rheumatoid arthritis honest!"

3 hours ago, Big Boy said:

I wouldn't particularly want to influence you - potentially this is a life or death decision.

Agreed. It has to be an individuals decision. I'm one of a handful of who refused the Pfizer brew whilst over 3000 colleagues consented. I made no effort to offer my opinion to anyone at work.  Their body, their choice. If only they would respect others right to choose.

2 hours ago, montecristo said:

One thing to be aware that none of the vaccines have yet passed phase 3 trials.

I think the Sputnik has passed the trails and seems to be the safest so far. Still I will not take it for disease with 99.8 survival rate for my age group.

 

Best of luck @DocH :)

 

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"My only fear is requiring a vaccine passport to allow travel."   That does concern me, but I don't need to travel in the immediate future, so I could bide my time and review the situation in a year or two.

"I had been severely deficient in vitamin d up to 2019, now I take 4000ui daily" Yes, I've upped my vit D.

 

"On a side note you say you are 71, why on earth are you worried about what your employer thinks"  I assume you're responding to my comment: " but if I DO tell them, then that may mark me out as a dissident/trouble-maker in their eyes, which may have consequences in the future."  - I'm not thinking of my employer marking me down as a troublemaker, [don't have one], but rather my GP, the health service, the Government,    Big Brother,    The Deep State   ...  Bill Gates...:ph34r:

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1 hour ago, jm51 said:

You're 71.

It's time to start wearing purple.

My favourite colour, as it happens.     [Seriously]     Don't often walk along railings rattling them with a stick, though... (Wasn't that one of the things the poetess looked forward to doing?).

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@tlc

No telephone consultation required, you just have to fill in a short questionnaire.

@DocH

The link I posted charges about £60 for 20? tablets, galling when it’s true cost being off licence is about 10p per tablet. That’s the price you pay of avoiding having if prescribed I guess. I bought mine last April when I was still frightened by covid, and for a one off cost I could swallow it (pun intended).

Looking at the half life of the drug, you would probably only 2 or 3 tablets, but I think 20 was the min no to a box.

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Carcassion

As Ned Flanders would say, it's a dilly of a pickle.

At 51 I'd err on the side of caution and say no, at 91 I'd say yes. 71 isnt a definite indicator either way for me.

It's not just about living or dying though. ~15 colleagues have had it now and 3 were hospitalised (none caught it in hospital) and in a serious condition but all have recovered. A good proportion of the 15 have said it was really grim, bad enough that they'd take their chances with a vaccine rather than go through it again.

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12 minutes ago, Mirror Mirror said:

The link I posted charges about £60 for 20? tablets, galling when it’s true cost being off licence is about 10p per tablet. That’s the price you pay of avoiding having if prescribed I guess. I bought mine last April when I was still frightened by covid, and for a one off cost I could swallow it (pun intended).

Looking at the half life of the drug, you would probably only 2 or 3 tablets, but I think 20 was the min no to a box.

I protocols I've seen mainly say 400mg once per day. for a few days. Yes, perhaps 90 (200mg each) is a bit more than I need. But I thought it might be useful to have spare ones in case certain people I know, who might be keen to try such things, came down with covid.

 

At:

https://ezshopremedieshere.com/

it was 60 x 200mg for 73 euro incl postage and tracking.

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17 minutes ago, DocH said:

but rather my GP

I'm seriously considering employing the services of a private GP. I'm seriously fucked off with socialised healthcare that's centrally planned. It's fucked up the entire country.

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3 hours ago, Big Boy said:

Another factor is that response to the vaccines falls off rapidly with increasing age (difficult to find data on this 9_9) and I have a feeling they're not as effective as claimed.

 

 

Anecdotal:

I know two oldies who have been jabbed, both reported no side effects at all, not even a sore arm.

A friend in his 40's had the Oxford jab and had quite bad side effects, sweating enough to soak a t-shirt.

A facebook group I am on for a particular group of people who are CEV, mostly in the 40 to 50 year old range report around 50/50 for bad side effects vs mild (sore arm). Pretty much all report some side effect.

I'm actually a bit concerned for the oldies who may not have the protection they think they do.

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18 minutes ago, Carcassion said:

As Ned Flanders would say, it's a dilly of a pickle.

At 51 I'd err on the side of caution and say no, at 91 I'd say yes. 71 isnt a definite indicator either way for me.

It's not just about living or dying though. ~15 colleagues have had it now and 3 were hospitalised (none caught it in hospital) and in a serious condition but all have recovered. A good proportion of the 15 have said it was really grim, bad enough that they'd take their chances with a vaccine rather than go through it again.

What killing fields do you live in? I know one person in a year that's tested positive and he was fine. 

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3 hours ago, Big Boy said:

Another factor is that response to the vaccines falls off rapidly with increasing age (difficult to find data on this 9_9) and I have a feeling they're not as effective as claimed.

The flu jab is only 60% effective I recall.

As for CV vaccine efficacy in the elderly Dr John Campbell quoted a Lancet review of the Sputnik vaccine saying it was more effective in the elderly. Thanks to @sarahbellfor posting his video earlier.

 

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Carl Fimble

They've simply not had enough time to get any idea AT ALL of the medium, let alone long-term effects. The fact they've managed to cobble together five or six of these vaccines in less than a year makes me very wary too.

Also, fuck them and their weird psy-op media driven hysteria, it exists perhaps, but it's either the world's most pathetic bio-weapon, or just some flu-like thing. 

Any and all resistance is commendable, at the very least just ignore their letter and make them spent time and money getting you jabbed. 

Evil cunts, fuck them!

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4 minutes ago, Carl Fimble said:

They've simply not had enough time to get any idea AT ALL of the medium, let alone long-term effects. The fact they've managed to cobble together five or six of these vaccines in less than a year makes me very wary too.

Also, fuck them and their weird psy-op media driven hysteria, it exists perhaps, but it's either the world's most pathetic bio-weapon, or just some flu-like thing. 

Any and all resistance is commendable, at the very least just ignore their letter and make them spent time and money getting you jabbed. 

Evil cunts, fuck them!

Judy Mikovits, Dolores Cahill and Simone Gold all think the mRNA vaccines will cause a massive immune system overreaction that will kill them when people are exposed to any natural coronavirus in the environment. 

Get the mRNA vaccine now, catch a cold in autumn and die. Simone Gold fears 30% of front line workers "will drop"

I hope they are wrong but in the mean time I will wait and see.

Its a strange thing when ALL your colleagues have had an mRNA vaccine and waiting to see what autumn will bring.

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