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Personally I don't mind who others shop with, but I try to be an ethical shopper where possible. And that means generally refusing to use slavedriver Amazon unless I absolutely need something next day, and even then I feel guilty about it. I thought I would create a thread to see if anyone else feels the same way, and indeed if it's even possible to boycott Amazon nowadays: for example, a lot of eBay sellers just use Amazon to deliver/dropship and don't specify that when you checkout. Anyone had any luck doing this?

BTW, I never venture to the High St and sadly likely never will. Admittedly if not using Amazon you will pay more for delivery from other companies, but I'm not convinced that Amazon are that cheap for most things anyway.

PS: related news story from today's DM.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9258835/Amazon-couriers-earning-just-1-83-HOUR-deliver-250-packages-day.html

 

 

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I’d frame it a slightly different way..    perhaps a list of recommendations for retailers that are better than Amazon? I’d start with Tool Station and Screwfix for all things DIY.  Good enough f

Mates just got sacked has he wanted to use his own van the firm he contracted out to used to give him 3 days work a week so that way 2 vans got rented from them .huge scam 

Personally I don't mind who others shop with, but I try to be an ethical shopper where possible. And that means generally refusing to use slavedriver Amazon unless I absolutely need something next day

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10 minutes ago, spunko said:

Personally I don't mind who others shop with, but I try to be an ethical shopper where possible. And that means generally refusing to use slavedriver Amazon unless I absolutely need something next day, and even then I feel guilty about it. I thought I would create a thread to see if anyone else feels the same way, and indeed if it's even possible to boycott Amazon nowadays: for example, a lot of eBay sellers just use Amazon to deliver/dropship and don't specify that when you checkout. Anyone had any luck doing this?

BTW, I never venture to the High St and sadly likely never will. Admittedly if not using Amazon you will pay more for delivery from other companies, but I'm not convinced that Amazon are that cheap for most things anyway.

PS: related news story from today's DM.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9258835/Amazon-couriers-earning-just-1-83-HOUR-deliver-250-packages-day.html

 

 

 

Haven't used Amazon personally, for years. Too expensive

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I'm not sure your stance would do much good. Most of Amazons profit comes from Amazon Web Services (AWS), not the logistics operations. If you ant to hurt Amazon you need to hurt AWS.

Good luck boycotting AWS, assuming you do anything online. Quite possibly DOSBODs is hosted on AWS services (anyone know?).

The new Amazon CEO is from the AWS side.

 

 

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Topical for me. I have made an effort this last year not to use Amazon. I have been going direct to the manufacturer/online shop. Usually cheaper. My ebay buying shot up. I was increasingly confident to buy higher end items like a phone and pc. Online sellers very concerned about reviews. 

I also felt there was a shift for Chinese mainland sellers to punt their gear via Amazon.

I had one refund..past 3 months..for a bike part that Inrealised was actually from China. Refunded by Amazon

Tried tonight for a small 6 quid item..just days past 3 months. Amazon said I could not claim as past 3 months. Item has said dispatched for weeks. A mistake on my part...a sneaky mainland Chinese item.

I havent ordered for months from Amazon. Likely to continue.

Effectively I banned them last year.

 

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Living in Wales we have no shops.

Amazon is pretty much the only retail website we have.

What seems to work is to research items, place them in shopping basket, then wait to see how the price fluctuates. Quite often they will drop in price slightly at first, then the price will increase above what it was when first placed in the shopping basket. Then it may be taken out from the shopping basket and placed in a list of items of interest. Once placed in the list the price may well drop to the lowest level. At that point I may order it.

I always wait until I have enough items to qualify for free shipping. I don't have Prime. I realise this is no doubt completely random.

I know people book holidays and other things by placing their booking in the shopping basket, then waiting to be e-mailed a discount code. I suppose what I'm trying to achieve is a slant on this.

I'm quite happy to be patient. Some items have taken three or four years before I eventually place the order.

I never use ebay because they are shit. 

 

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Same here, haven't bought anything from them for months now. Although I was aware of what Scepticus said upthread about AWS being their main profit centre.

What did it for me is when I found out that all items regardless of the seller are stored in the same place. So if you buy a camera for example from a reputable seller, amazon go a pick you one out of the bucket. Unfortunately if some scrote has put a load of knock offs up for sale they will be in the same bucket and you might get one whether you went through the official seller or the knock off merchant

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1 hour ago, Libspero said:

I’d frame it a slightly different way..    perhaps a list of recommendations for retailers that are better than Amazon?

I’d start with Tool Station and Screwfix for all things DIY.  Good enough for trade,  good enough for me.

Whilst I use both Screwfix and Toolstation often I would caveat that with 'only to buy specifics that I know to be trade rated'.

There is a lot of own brand trash on sale by both.  Trade/DIY crossover if you like. But then the same can be said for many trade wholesalers.

The only one, for electrics,  I'd happily buy anything from, without question, is Rexel as all their own brand stuff is rebadged quality brand products. Their heaters are Dimplex, their switchgear are Schneider and so on.

There is plenty of crap on sale at Screwfix and Toolstation so a degree of knowledge is required for example BG is a bit hit and miss, their garage consumer unit is IP65 and made from cast aluminium and at its price is incredibly good value and their IP65 exterior sockets are as good as the considerably more expensive MK, other stuff is questionable.

Avoid LAP, never had a good experience.

But the quality stuff they sell is on price with the wholesalers.

B&Q, take your own lube.

 

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34 minutes ago, GBDamo said:

Whilst I use both Screwfix and Toolstation often I would caveat that with 'only to buy specifics that I know to be trade rated'.

There is a lot of own brand trash on sale by both.  Trade/DIY crossover if you like. But then the same can be said for many trade wholesalers.

The only one, for electrics,  I'd happily buy anything from, without question, is Rexel as all their own brand stuff is rebadged quality brand products. Their heaters are Dimplex, their switchgear are Schneider and so on.

There is plenty of crap on sale at Screwfix and Toolstation so a degree of knowledge is required for example BG is a bit hit and miss, their garage consumer unit is IP65 and made from cast aluminium and at its price is incredibly good value and their IP65 exterior sockets are as good as the considerably more expensive MK, other stuff is questionable.

Avoid LAP, never had a good experience.

But the quality stuff they sell is on price with the wholesalers.

B&Q, take your own lube.

 

B&Q and Screwfix come under the same umbrella...Kingfisher.  Toolstation was started by the same family who started Screwfix, once they had sold it to Kingfisher.  I think its now owned by Travis Perkins...

Only a few days ago, I watched this vid..

 

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14 minutes ago, Dave Beans said:

B&Q and Screwfix come under the same umbrella...Kingfisher.  Toolstation was started by one of the Goddard-Watts clan, once they sold off Screwfix to Kingfisher.  I think its now owned by Travis Perkins...

Only a few days ago, I watched this vid..

 

Don't think much of their accident investigations. In both the accidents shown I'd place a fair bit of blame on the Amazon driver. 

In the first one the driver is travelling too fast and is not very observant. He undertakes the lorry at speed, failing to notice the large gap that the lorry has left in front of it. The presence of a junction on the right is a massive warning sign that the truck is leaving a gap for oncoming traffic turning left into the side road. 

The second video shows another car trying to squeeze into a too-small space in front of the amazon driver. The sensible thing to do is break and make room for the other car. The amazon driver doesn't react, the other car pushes in and breaks. Despite then breaking the amazon driver rams him.

Totally foreseeable and avoidable accidents. I'd sack both drivers. 

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1 minute ago, Stuey said:

Tbh the mask nonsense means I'm using Amazon as much as possible. Shop visits now are just for fresh fruit, veg and meat. If I planned it well with Stockton's outdoor market I might never need to step foot in a shop again. 

Same here. Amazon is an example of succesful capitalism, i.e. nearly a monopoly. They do deliver reliably, although I wouldn't like to be an employee.

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Main gripe about Amazon is their default signing up for Prime. Once inadvertently signed up, after which I stopped using them. However, after about a year the direct debt started again of its own accord after zero orders. Amazon claimed third party fraud..I doubt it.

I'm even careful not to go on their site, let alone order anything. Their default signing up for Prime is pretty scandalous.

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They're not cheap but they are convenient especially for those widgets you would have needed to travel toa specialist shop for. Eventually they will be droning out the majority of their deliveries and automating their warehouses. the problem for the state will be what to do with all the warehouse ops and drivers. Very much a problem with distribution rather than production. A UBI will have to be introduced. It already is if you think about it. Most people get at least £70 a week from the state already in one form or another. I'm not a big fan of corporation tax so the fact they pay none doesn't bother me too much. i would rather cut the councils back extensively than tax Amazon punitively. 

Amazon - great company, huge danger of monopoly, not the cheap option

. What to do with the useless eaters?

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I cancelled Prime when we got back to Australia.  Boy was that hard to do.  In the end it was simpler to let the credit card they had on file expire and not replace it, despite a billion chaser emails.

 

Haven't used Amazon more than once in two years - and that was because I needed something which wasn't available locally and I couldn't wait.

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