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This is a prime example of how leftists twist things to suit their narrative. The law allowed a public house to refuse to serve anyone, without a reason. The fact that some publicans may have use

It is a complicated one. Before 1965 pubs & clubs could just refuse to serve someone they didn't like.  This wasn't a race thing -- they could refuse to serve anyone. The trouble is, som

Fake racism is one of the madnesses of current imes. Exactly, on to the next pub. Some pubs wouldn't serve, if you turned up on a motorbike. I'm not sure this happens now.

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It is a complicated one.

Before 1965 pubs & clubs could just refuse to serve someone they didn't like.  This wasn't a race thing -- they could refuse to serve anyone.

The trouble is, some pubs (etc) were refusing to serve black (and other ethnic) people.  This wasn't the law being racist, but racist people abusing the law.

In 1965 they changed the law such that it was illegal to refuse to offer service on grounds of race.  This sorted out the abuse of the law.

But I'm sure black people still would have found the 'racist' pubs (etc) to be a hostile place and not wanted to be there anyway.  Still, it was worth having the law because it helped a process that has made the UK be largely racism free.

Racism still exists here, but you've got to look pretty hard to find it, compared with most other countries.

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5 minutes ago, Bedrag Justesen said:

Pubs and retailers reserve the right to refuse service to any person.

Similarly, they don't have to sell something if they don't want to.  :)

No -- they can't refuse service/sale to someone on the grounds of age, race, gender, sexuality, religion, or if they're pregnant, trans or disabled.

Other than that they can refuse service/sale to anyone.

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4 minutes ago, dgul said:

No -- they can't refuse service/sale to someone on the grounds of age, race, gender, sexuality, religion, or if they're pregnant, trans or disabled.

Other than that they can refuse service/sale to anyone.

You don’t even need to tell someone why you won’t serve them it’s really that simple

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2 minutes ago, Bedrag Justesen said:

They don't need to offer a reason.

This is part of the problem for the 'invented racism' folk.

So you have people being refused access to a club (say) because they look dodgy or there's a suspicion of drugs (say), but they then start mouthing off on social media about it being all because of race.  

Not only is this an abuse of the law (crying racism where there is none), it actually promotes the belief that there is a problem with racism in this country where objective analysis suggests that it is only a minor problem.

[This is a big problem -- everyone fails at some point.  The best thing to do is to brush yourself down and try to 'do better next time'.  But if you believe that there is a force stopping you from succeeding then it will influence how much you'll try next time.  The same problem exists with gender.  Sometimes you fail just because you're crap, and sometimes just because you can't have everyone succeed every time.]

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3 minutes ago, dgul said:

Not only is this an abuse of the law (crying racism where there is none), it actually promotes the belief that there is a problem with racism in this country where objective analysis suggests that it is only a minor problem.

Fake racism is one of the madnesses of current imes.

3 minutes ago, Bedrag Justesen said:

Their right is to leave.

Exactly, on to the next pub. Some pubs wouldn't serve, if you turned up on a motorbike. I'm not sure this happens now.

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Just now, Virgil Caine said:

Try getting a light ale in a pub now and see where it gets you.

A lot of drinks have gone out of fashion. Somebody here mentioned Mild some while back. Hard to find now. I always thought of it as a Midlands thing, but yes you could get it in London.

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4 minutes ago, MrPin said:

A lot of drinks have gone out of fashion. Somebody here mentioned Mild some while back. Hard to find now. I always thought of it as a Midlands thing, but yes you could get it in London.

The old joke was that inside every slops tray of bitter in a pub was a pint of mild waiting to be served.

These things normally come back now as a specialist craft beer at twice the price of the original.  

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1 minute ago, Virgil Caine said:

The old joke was that inside every slops tray of bitter in a pub was a pint of mild waiting to be served.

These things normally come back now as a specialist craft beer at twice the price of the original.  

You cynic! the Young's Mild was very nice, when it was made in Wandsworth, and delivered by horse.

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5 minutes ago, MrPin said:

A lot of drinks have gone out of fashion. Somebody here mentioned Mild some while back. Hard to find now. I always thought of it as a Midlands thing, but yes you could get it in London.

Yep the last time I went to London my old haunt the porcupine had dark and light mild on.the last time I’ve seen it on tap was 6 years ago

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2 minutes ago, stokiescum said:

Yep the last time I went to London my old haunt the porcupine had dark and light mild on.the last time I’ve seen it on tap was 6 years ago

It was tasty, and not too strong, and unlike grandad's horse, my motorbike wouldn't find its own way home.

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1 hour ago, Happy Renting said:

It was not illegal to be a homosexual. It was illegal to practive homosexuality.

And in practice the law was generally applied only when a public nuisance was being caused, such as cottaging, or when very young men/boys were involved. There were a lot of high profile (presumably active) homosexuals who were not prosecuted or harrassed in any ways by the authorities even though it was obvious what was going on - Peter Pears and Benjamin Britten for example. One of the main reasons the law was changed in 1967 was to prevent the blackmail/compromise of high ranking officials during the Cold War.

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