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NHS collapse?


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spygirl
2 hours ago, Caravan Monster said:

 

Could the extreme far left leftie conspiracy theorists that go on about the evil tories wanting to privatise 'our' nhs be right this time? The Johnson regime appears to be pushing the envelope on evil and incompetence (difficult to tell which) and does seem to be taking orders from above. It's not inconceivable that they are intentionally fixing the direction of travel on putting the sickly leviathan out of it's misery. Is there much of an incentive to push the UK toward the insurance based care model? The current system seems quite finely tuned for opportunities for the well connected to loot without the bother of any of that troublesome free market competition.

Jeremy nails it

Whoops

 

Theres this gormless lefty near my mums,.

Raving about how good the local GP is - it isnt.

But how shes had problem with the local hospital, with operations being cancelled - down to Nurses just not turning up for their shifts, a friend works there and told me why this woman's 5th attempt at a minor operation had been cancelled.

Then she goes it would be much worse i the NHS was privatised.

Ive pointed out that the GP is a private contractor. The hospital that keep letting her down is public owned though.

I also pointed out that all her medicine as are provided by private pharma. And the tools used to operate on her.

 

 

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Carl Fimble
40 minutes ago, Harley said:

Yep, works on masonry!

PS: To any dentists out there, this is not medical advice. 

That's what I was thinking, too many screws too close together gives very little actual stuff to hold together. 

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the gardener
10 hours ago, Roger_Mellie said:

It's totally broken. I've had a medical issue that has been a minor annoyance for a year, but it is annoying. Called the GP: need a telephone consultation first, 2 week wait. 

1. I'm not prepared to discuss anything on the phone, my view is I have a basic right to actually see a doctor. 

2. There is no way on Earth that GPs are so busy that I should have to wait 2 weeks for a 6 minute phone consultation

My wife had a phone consultation booked. The doctor called 15 minutes after the alloted time, by which time she was doing something else and missed the call. Straight to the back of the queue, wait another 2 weeks. 

Cunts. 

My daughter had an online appointment booked in November. We downloaded the app etc / did all the setup and login. We got a screen saying that they know we are there and that the consultant will be with us soon. Waited... And waited... And waited. Phoned the hospital - by thus time it was past 5:30 so no answer from reception. The clinics often run late and ours was a 16:30 appointment. Gave up at 7pm.

Didn't get round to calling them about it. Figured they'd send a text about the missed appointment / apology (as if). Nothing. Ah well, surely a letter must be going out with a rescheduled appt. Nothing. Eventually this month the wife phoned them. Got a lot of sarky abuse from the old cunt receptionist. Told us daughter had been deregistered from the clinic. A letter was sent by the medical secretary to my doctor (that would be the one hiding in a bunker on full pay). We received no word from the doctor. The sour old bitch kept telling the wife that she would have called the clinic after about 45 mins - err we did. Getting bored of the withered crone's admonishing I loudly said to contact the medical secretary and put her back on the clinic right away. Eventually after some more blathering that's what the sow agreed to do. This was after she had found out that we had been actually given two appointments - one in person and another online. The fuckwits had failed to cancel the originally booked appointment when they sent us out the online one, hence we were put down as a DNA for the in-person one and then for the online one. This triggered the deregistering. 

What a shower of fucking shite. In any other business you'd make the effort to contact a customer since they are your source of revenue. Not with the sacred NHS. Frankly, the sooner its all privatised, the better. Those fucking witches on reception would be let go straight away and some actual customer service would happen. 

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Interested in these "private GPs" people are mentioning.

Last time I looked for one round here, I could only find them catering to "communities" I wasn't a member of.

Communities where people aren't in the country legally enough to bludge off the NHS, if you get my drift.

Am I unrealistic to want a "pay only when you want an appointment" place, not private insurance?

You know, like any other professional service where money is contingent on results.

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37 minutes ago, Carl Fimble said:

That's what I was thinking, too many screws too close together gives very little actual stuff to hold together. 

Resin as a backup or for a feck up!

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6 minutes ago, Harley said:

Resin as a backup or for a feck up!

I think bone might have different screw retention properties to MDF. Not that I would recommend the surgery either....

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Dogtania

I'm hoping not all surgeries are going down the drain.  When I moved back here over a decade ago I joined a local family surgery.  One nurse and a few long term doctors.

After that year I moved house and joined a bigger surgery.  Two receptionists and large waiting room mainly polish it seemed.   Seemed to be run by locums.

Anyway last August moved back across town and made sure to rejoin the old place despite there being many closer ones (that looked suspiciously like the locum/ super market surgery ot old).  The family one still seems quite small despite moving into a large health centre.... Each doctor has their resume, interests and specialties listed online.  Haven't visited yet but had one phone consultation when doctor didn't rush me, asked me good questions and added some advice (to be taken off vulnerable list).

Anyway last time I picked up my precription from the chemist note said to book in for a asthma review soon.  Fully expect to be able to get through on the phone first time and get an appointment with a doctor not a locum.

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Carl Fimble
29 minutes ago, Harley said:

Resin as a backup or for a feck up!

I'd just leave it alone, if it ain't broke....

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Caravan Monster
1 hour ago, spygirl said:

Jeremy nails it

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Theres this gormless lefty near my mums,.

Raving about how good the local GP is - it isnt.

But how shes had problem with the local hospital, with operations being cancelled - down to Nurses just not turning up for their shifts, a friend works there and told me why this woman's 5th attempt at a minor operation had been cancelled.

Then she goes it would be much worse i the NHS was privatised.

Ive pointed out that the GP is a private contractor. The hospital that keep letting her down is public owned though.

I also pointed out that all her medicine as are provided by private pharma. And the tools used to operate on her.

 

 

I suspect many are content with the status quo, particularly in covid world and especially now with the massive backlog of operations that has been created, that will be subbed out to private hospitals at multiples of cost and financed by printing. NHS staff get to keep their salaries with less of that dealing with icky biological humans and the private hospitals get increased business. Another win for national corporate socialism! 

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41 minutes ago, apples said:

Am I unrealistic to want a "pay only when you want an appointment" place, not private insurance?

 

I've found a pay as you go. £50 for 15 minutes.

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1 hour ago, the gardener said:

My daughter had an online appointment booked in November. We downloaded the app etc / did all the setup and login. We got a screen saying that they know we are there and that the consultant will be with us soon. Waited... And waited... And waited. Phoned the hospital - by thus time it was past 5:30 so no answer from reception. The clinics often run late and ours was a 16:30 appointment. Gave up at 7pm.

Similar thing happened with my daughters parents evening. Booked in waited. Didn't manage to see/talk to one teacher. No they didn't bother to do a follow up.

 

Funny the initial zoom call with my private orthodontist worked just fine.

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20 years ago, my health clinic was run by the nhs with dngaf old biddies in charge. Total shite. If there was a way to piss off patients more, they'd already found it.

Next it went to a private trust. Operated by a money grabbing roper doctor couple who also ran 2 other clinics. That was bad, it got the lowest possible rating when evaluated. Still way better than when the nhs ran it though.

Now it's run by a young and keen lady doctor who actually sees patients there. Or at least did pre covid. It's about as good as you'd expect a private clinic in the US to be.

A good thing we have in this city is a zero appointment system for xrays. If the doc wants you xrayed, the clinic tells the xray hospital that you will be turning up. You get there within 2 weeks or so and wait your turn. With my last chest xray, I was in and out in less than 15 minutes.

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Cancer care ‘no longer safe’ as NHS has too few medics to cope with backlog

Cancer services are "no longer safe" as there are too few medics to cope with a backlog of patients waiting for scans and X-rays since the pandemic, medics have warned. 

The Royal College of Radiologists said a third more consultants – almost 2,000 doctors – were needed to cope with demand, even before the crisis hit. 

Its census of more than 1,000 specialists found that nearly half are now planning to cut their hours, and a fifth are considering leaving the NHS. 

The number of patients facing long waits for tests such as MRI scans, ultrasounds and gastroscopies has risen 10-fold in the past year, with 327,663 patients waiting at least six weeks, up from 29,832 a year ago. 

One medic told the census: “We cannot deliver adequate services for our patients” while another said “we can no longer provide cancer and acute care safely.”

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The lack of overall *extra" deaths the past year considering the NHS has been closed to most is quite startling. 

Yes of course many have died due to missed scans etc which is shocking - but this seems to have been balanced out by many who seem to have done better by avoiding their "treatments" altogether. ..:ph34r:

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SpectrumFX
On 15/04/2021 at 18:37, JoeDavola said:

Regarding NHS availablity - at the end of 2018 I booked an appointment with an orthadontist, was just gonna pay to get a couple of teeth made slightly straigher.

He said that the best thing for me to do was jaw surgery in addition to this, which could be done on the NHS. This is where your lower jaw is surgically broken and moved forward, then held in place by metal plates. You're on a liquid diet for 6 weeks IIRC.

After more research it turned out that had I went forward with there is a good chance the surgeon would have reccomended double jaw surgery, where they saw through your upper jaw as well and re-position it/ file it down.

Fuck. That.

There is a high percentage chance of permanent nerve damage and I've seen so many reports in the years since of people ending up in chronic pain from the surgery.

So I eventually decided not to get it done because of concerns about whether the NHS would give me as good a quality service on something like that as the private sector, but even more so....what if something goes wrong? In the NHS I had no faith that there would be any speedy aftercare or quick revision surgery. You could end up completley fucked up and nobody answering the phone to help.

And that was before fucking covid. Imagine trying to get help now if some surgeon has fucked your face up.

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If you've got a weak jaw and it bothers you just grow a beard.

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sarahbell
42 minutes ago, tlc said:

Cancer care ‘no longer safe’ as NHS has too few medics to cope with backlog

Cancer services are "no longer safe" as there are too few medics to cope with a backlog of patients waiting for scans and X-rays since the pandemic, medics have warned. 

The Royal College of Radiologists said a third more consultants – almost 2,000 doctors – were needed to cope with demand, even before the crisis hit. 

Its census of more than 1,000 specialists found that nearly half are now planning to cut their hours, and a fifth are considering leaving the NHS. 

The number of patients facing long waits for tests such as MRI scans, ultrasounds and gastroscopies has risen 10-fold in the past year, with 327,663 patients waiting at least six weeks, up from 29,832 a year ago. 

One medic told the census: “We cannot deliver adequate services for our patients” while another said “we can no longer provide cancer and acute care safely.”

Have they all died?

Smells like we'll need to pay more to retain staff.

Fuck it. Let's scale down the NHS. We're unrealistic about what it can do.

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7 minutes ago, sarahbell said:

Have they all died?

Smells like we'll need to pay more to retain staff.

Fuck it. Let's scale down the NHS. We're unrealistic about what it can do.

Perhaps we've paid them so much they can afford to semi-retire.

Or maybe they'll just move to private healthcare and the NHS will end up paying more for them to do it.

 

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Panther
4 hours ago, SpectrumFX said:

If you've got a weak jaw and it bothers you just grow a beard.

...or marry into the Hapsburgs

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Charles II of Spain apparently.

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JoeDavola
4 hours ago, SpectrumFX said:

If you've got a weak jaw and it bothers you just grow a beard.

My brother doesn't even have a recessed jaw and he has grown one of those big huge chin-extender beards that loads of blokes have these days. They've become a meme now as single blokes feel the need to have jaws like buzz lightyear to compete in the dating market.

It's funny cuz' I have neither of them - 9GAG

I can't grow one that long but think I look better with a bit of facial hair than without any. Might give it another go but the last time I tried growing it really long it just looked/felt unhygenic IMO.

FWIW I'd still really like the surgery and still go back and forth with myself about it. But the severity of the recovery - I think it's at least 6 weeks liquid diet, just seems brutal and frankly I don't know if I have it in me. Plus the high chance of long term nerve damage.

 

 

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sarahbell
24 minutes ago, Stinky Wizzleteats said:

When doctors go on strike mortality decreases!

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18849101/

Save yourself, avoid the NHS!

This is why there's a list of operations the NHS aren't going to be doing  Sat 30 Jun 2018 08.43 BST

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/jun/29/nhs-wields-the-axe-on-17-unnecessary-procedures

17 treatments NHS England may axe

Four procedures will only be offered at the request of a patient: (WTF? Do patients over rule medical advice?)

  • Snoring surgery
  • Dilation and curettage for heavy menstrual bleeding
  • Knee arthroscopies for osteoarthritis
  • Injections for non-specific back pain

A further 13 treatments will only be offered when certain conditions are met:

  • Breast reduction
  • Removal of benign skin lesions
  • Grommets for glue ear
  • Tonsillectomy
  • Haemorrhoid surgery
  • Hysterectomy for heavy menstrual bleeding
  • Removal of lesions on eyelids
  • Removal of bone spurs for shoulder pain
  • Carpal tunnel syndrome release
  • Dupuytren’s contracture release
  • Excision of small, non cancerous lumps on the wrist called ganglia
  • Trigger finger release
  • Varicose vein surgery
  • Snoring surgery
    I assume they actually mean septoplastys. Which are actually designed to help you breathe more easily but have almost zero affect on snoring.
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57 minutes ago, JoeDavola said:

FWIW I'd still really like the surgery and still go back and forth with myself about it. But the severity of the recovery - I think it's at least 6 weeks liquid diet, just seems brutal and frankly I don't know if I have it in me. Plus the high chance of long term nerve damage.

 

 

A (female) friend of my wife had it done.  Not quite sure why, but she was unhappy with her overbite.  Full recovery, now has a Hollywood smile, but there's something disconcerting about her face.  Her mum commented that she no longer looks like her daughter.

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SpectrumFX
58 minutes ago, JoeDavola said:

My brother doesn't even have a recessed jaw and he has grown one of those big huge chin-extender beards that loads of blokes have these days. They've become a meme now as single blokes feel the need to have jaws like buzz lightyear to compete in the dating market.

It's funny cuz' I have neither of them - 9GAG

I can't grow one that long but think I look better with a bit of facial hair than without any. Might give it another go but the last time I tried growing it really long it just looked/felt unhygenic IMO.

FWIW I'd still really like the surgery and still go back and forth with myself about it. But the severity of the recovery - I think it's at least 6 weeks liquid diet, just seems brutal and frankly I don't know if I have it in me. Plus the high chance of long term nerve damage.

 

 

It doesn't have to be mega long to have a noticeable effect. I do the chin area with a no.4 guard and then switch to a no.2 and fade up the cheeks (moving through shorter settings as I go higher up) to where my beard joins my hair, by which time I'm onto the bare clippers which is the setting I use to shave my head.

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28 minutes ago, Inigo said:

A (female) friend of my wife had it done.  Not quite sure why, but she was unhappy with her overbite.  Full recovery, now has a Hollywood smile, but there's something disconcerting about her face.  Her mum commented that she no longer looks like her daughter.

I know a few people with facial surgery's done entirely for cosmetic reasons.

All very happy as far as I can tell, all younger and only one with a baby. (And entirely free on our great NHS) 

The childeren usually seem to have the 'issue' the parent 'fixed', so they don't look the same though.

 

Interested to see how the childeren grow up, do they all end up aiming to also have the surgery to look like their parents? Is there any psychological trauma caused knowing your parent probably doesn't like how you look? (Would have hit me pretty hard when I was a teenager and worrying about my looks already) 

And if there are any psychological issues seeing what you hated about yourself in your child's face.

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