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Pandemic coming? - Coronavirus June 2021 onwards (Part 6)


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Nope. Couldn’t care less. This is what I know: Covid was created in the Wuhan lab and even though the sheep were fed some bullshit about bats and pangolins, most world ’leaders’ were told th

Okay.  I've been through that data.  It is appalling statistics. Sure, they found 3,752 had died within 28 days of being vaccinated.  They they do a reasonable thing and compare with the number o

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W00t roflcopter frist! 

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1 minute ago, wherebee said:

goddamit.

 

SECOND>

Why aren't you in bed you oz cunt :Old:

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17 minutes ago, Yadda yadda yadda said:

Would you re-phrase that as there is no herd immunity from covid-19 from these vaccines but there is potentially from infection? Eg immunity from infection is robust but immunity from these vaccines is flawed.

It is because for many respiratory diseases such as covid there will be an upper airway infection for some time even for people 'with immunity' (whether vaccine or prior infection).  The 'immunity' impairs the ability of the virus having a 'whole body infection' and eventually helps clear up the upper respiratory infection.

As the immune do often get some infection with mild symptoms this allows the virus to spread and thus pretty much removes the herd immunity effect.

26 minutes ago, Yadda yadda yadda said:

Is it also the case that, as vaccinated people become infected, they will develop natural immunity? Or is this where people like geert suggest there will be long term problems from vaccines.

That's a complex one.

The simple theory is that as each person with prior immunity gets reinfected this 'tops up' the immune response to keep up.

However, there's this weird effect called 'original antigenic sin', in which the original antibody response always happens first/fastest/best, even though there's 'new information available'.  Geert thinks that this will impair the ability of vaccinated people to respond to variants.  He might be right in this regard.  It is important re. things like boosters, which might not work as well as expected.  I'm not sure how this applies to those with natural immunity (because natural antibody immunity to covid is short lived -- indeed, I could accept that this is why natural antibody immunity to coronaviruses (in general) is short lived).

[That's not Geert's main worry.  His main worry is that the antibody response acquired via vaccination suppresses the cellular response and given that that's the non-vulnerable's first line of defence it'll make covid disease worse in the vaccinated non-vulnerable.  I really don't know about this and can only respond 'we'll see'.]

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Here is a hidden Gem.

Meanwhile, the latest infection survey (28 May 2021) by the Office for National Statistics (ONS), which bases its estimates on blood test results taken from a randomly selected subsample of individuals aged 16 years and over, suggests that nearly 70% of people in England would test positive for Covid-19 antibodies.

Its fucking over.

https://www.theweek.co.uk/news/science-health/952468/the-meaning-of-covid-herd-immunity

Edit: Data was to 3rd of May (a month old) more detail below.

An estimated 75.9% of the population in England, 76.6% in Wales, 75.0% in Northern Ireland and 68.6% in Scotland would test positive for COVID-19 antibodies in the week beginning 3 May 2021.

Bringing this  over from the previous thread for relevance. Sorry forgot to look who wrote it, but it doesn’t o, it’s the general principle that’s important.

If as the government reckon, there have been 130000 covid deaths, and the infection fatality rate is 0.25%, that means there have been 52m infections so far; easily herd immunity from a population of 68m (76%) and that’s not counting pre existing cross immunity or any narrow based immunity that the so called vaccines have provided.

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13 minutes ago, Mirror Mirror said:

 

I wrote it and I'm working on something else that has took a lot of digging and I will have to write up and put on a new thread.

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Some hospitals are close to being full, NHS boss says

Hospitals are reporting up to 97 per cent bed occupancy, according to an NHS boss.

Chris Hopson, chief executive of NHS Providers, told Times Radio that hospitals are “very busy” and some are close to full as the health service attempts to deal with a backlog of non-coronavirus patients as well as the ongoing pressures of the pandemic.

"The concerns are that this is a much more transmissible variant. We've still got lots of people still to vaccinate. And absolutely hospitals are very busy,” he said.

"We're talking to people who are saying 'We've got 96 to 97 per cent bed occupancy, this is not the kind of bed occupancy we would normally expect at this time of year.

"We're trying to go full pelt, to recover those care backlogs, we seem to be getting more people coming in on the urgent and emergency care pathway than we were expecting.

"So when you've got those volumes of patients, even small numbers of Covid-19 patients clearly add to the pressure."

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/coronavirus-news-live-updates-vaccine-b1856796.html

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But Boris promised to build 40 new hospitals.

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Winter is going to be insane. With hospitals already full, any strong covid or even flu resurgence will lead to the NHS being overwhelmed.

Lockdowns in Autumn/Winter seem inevitable.

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1 hour ago, Mental Floss said:

If there's the slightest whiff of "overwhelming pressure" we'll be locked down quicker than Carrie gets her hooks into Boris's cash............

Presumably TPTB will be doing their level best to increase overwhelming pressure on hospitals by reducing the total number of NHS beds available like they have done every year (reportedly including 2020) for decades.  Each and every year under UK governments of every description.  

Another 10,000 bed reduction similar to the reduction reported in 2020 and it won't take much for overwhelming pressure to kick in again.  For that reason alone and even putting any excess number of UK illnesses aside as winter approaches the pressure on the NHS might become intolerable much sooner than would otherwise have been expected.  The ball will be in the politicians hands which direction to take and as "overwhelming pressure on the NHS" has such strong leverage on the UK's general public then the politicians are perfectly placed to increasingly use it. 

The pressure on the NHS has been evident for years and for decades and it led to Boris promising 40 new hospitals just before the December 2019 general election and before covid had ever come out into the open in the UK.  It's a promise that's not been mentioned by the great and the good since. 

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1 hour ago, Mental Floss said:

Interesting and it demonstrates as a guide on that basis massive improvements in the number of covid cases in the UK since peak covid winter.  Though the seriousness status of areas on the chart can seemingly be manipulated on the yellow to purple scale by increasing or reducing the number of tests in any area.  

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Seven–day rates are expressed per 100,000 population and are calculated by dividing the seven day count by the area population and multiplying by 100,000

It would have been helpful if they'd also provided a chart showing the case rates per 100,000 tests for comparison.

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Well it's perfect timing to try something different [to lockdown] since the weather and sunshine have just made an appearance.

I suggest:
0. Complete jabbin of anyone who wants jabbin. [mid June it's done isn't it?]
1. Completely isolate everyone vulnerable [who wishes to participate in isolation] for the summer offering full support as needed.
2. Government to pay for huge festival events in every city and on every beach in the land. Opera on the mall, Rock in Victoria park, Punk in Kensington Gardens and Orchestra outside the Albert Hall. Free to all, a summer of parties to dwarf VE day. 2a. Free beer and cocktails with added vitamins.
2b. Call it the Big Boris Bash.
3. Parties to continue all of June and July
4. Hope for huge spread and total herd immunity.
5. Outlaw any media criticism of the plan until September.
6. Review where we're at from mid-August.
7. If we've got herd immunity and cases down to zero but the rest of the world is lagging [having to wait until next summer to cvopy our brilliant plan], close the borders to all with full quarantine for 100% of arrivals. No exceptions.

ETA: And sack traitorous Gove and useless liar Hancock now, they'll resign anyway in response to the plan and you'll look better if you fire them.

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29 minutes ago, twocents said:

Interesting and it demonstrates as a guide on that basis massive improvements in the number of covid cases in the UK since peak covid winter.  Though the seriousness status of areas on the chart can seemingly be manipulated on the yellow to purple scale by increasing or reducing the number of tests in any area.  

It would have been helpful if they'd also provided a chart showing the case rates per 100,000 tests for comparison.

Hmm doing it on the fly isn't easy. The raw data looks like this...........

Blunt analysis converts the %ve into 100,000 (test rates)....

Currently running at approx 360 per 100,000

 At the moment using this data set, increased testing doesn't look correlated to increasing numbers of infections. Of couse this doesn't account for geographical variance should "surge" testing be employed.....

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5 minutes ago, Chewing Grass said:

Oooh no its the third wave, or is it?

Only the statistics and proper testing will tell, but where have the real stats gone?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57304515


Probably is another wave (not sure of the number; possibly 2.5 -- it is as good a number as they're using).

I'll be a weakish one, probably.

They're really mucking about with the stats -- I think this'll make it look worse for the unvaccinated, but not sure.  It won't actually be worse for the unvaccinated.  Won't be worse for the vaccinated either (this time).

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2 hours ago, Errol said:

Winter is going to be insane. With hospitals already full, any strong covid or even flu resurgence will lead to the NHS being overwhelmed.

Lockdowns in Autumn/Winter seem inevitable.

They should do the same as three Indian states now handing out Ivermectin and HCQ.  I bought mine ages ago and still rely on my salt pipe if I feel a bit like I am getting a cold.

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3 hours ago, twocents said:

Presumably TPTB will be doing their level best to increase overwhelming pressure on hospitals by reducing the total number of NHS beds available like they have done every year (reportedly including 2020) for decades.  Each and every year under UK governments of every description.  

Another 10,000 bed reduction similar to the reduction reported in 2020 and it won't take much for overwhelming pressure to kick in again.  For that reason alone and even putting any excess number of UK illnesses aside as winter approaches the pressure on the NHS might become intolerable much sooner than would otherwise have been expected.  The ball will be in the politicians hands which direction to take and as "overwhelming pressure on the NHS" has such strong leverage on the UK's general public then the politicians are perfectly placed to increasingly use it. 

The pressure on the NHS has been evident for years and for decades and it led to Boris promising 40 new hospitals just before the December 2019 general election and before covid had ever come out into the open in the UK.  It's a promise that's not been mentioned by the great and the good since. 

 

If this ADE manifests itself then we are going to have NHS dropping like flies.

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1 minute ago, The Masked Tulip said:

 

If this ADE manifests itself then we are going to have NHS dropping like flies.

Will we notice any difference?

We no longer have a health service.

 

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3 hours ago, M S E Refugee said:

Will we notice any difference?

We no longer have a health service.

 

 

I fear medical care going back hundreds of years. Simple things become impossible. What was difficult does not happen.

You start losing specialists then you cannot replace them. But if the ADE happens it will not be just skilled medics we lose. As someone posted the other week, who knows how to turn off a nuclear power plant.

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